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Stockpiling draft picks & Creating cap space... Foreshadowing a big move?

Shaft75

Shaft75

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Our FO is making some calculated decisions lately. Cutting some highly paid underachievers, trading Sage and possibly Jacoby to stash away some draft picks. I see a big trade coming or moving up in the draft.

Whatever we plan on doing, I am happy to see our FO so busy right now. I'm very anxious to see the end result.

Thoughts???
 
"Supercalifragilisticexpealadocious!" exclaimed the obsessed fan with three small children who is sitting at the computer at 11pm desperately looking for the next tiny bit of Texan news four days before any news can be uttered.
 
dalemurphy said:
"Supercalifragilisticexpealadocious!" exclaimed the obsessed fan with three small children who is sitting at the computer at 11pm desperately looking for the next tiny bit of Texan news four days before any news can be uttered.
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Bob Allen said that the Sage trade is "imminent".
 
dalemurphy said:
"Supercalifragilisticexpealadocious!" exclaimed the obsessed fan with three small children who is sitting at the computer at 11pm desperately looking for the next tiny bit of Texan news four days before any news can be uttered.
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I like what you broke earlier(news):brando:
 
I don't think it's indicative of anything more than normal preparation and positioning for free agency. It's business as usual.
 
Not sure of any big splash...we still have to sign OD and D Ryans and others plus our draft picks...our cap space isn't that great now, though its not that bad either. I do hear that Plummer is now free and I wonder if he is entertaining the thought of comming back, though he said he's retired. Plummer and Kubiak had a pretty good relationship a few years back. Don't know what kind of shape he's in or if he has any love left for the game. Does anyone know how to "bug" Kubiaks office...lol
 
DiehardChris said:
I don't think it's indicative of anything more than normal preparation and positioning for free agency. It's business as usual.
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Come on Diehard! You know that they have to be up to something. This FO hasn't been too shy when it comes to making big moves. All of this being done right before free agency too. They're up to something!
 
Shaft75 said:
Come on Diehard! You know that they have to be up to something. This FO hasn't been too shy when it comes to making big moves. All of this being done right before free agency too. They're up to something!
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But ALL the teams are doing this. The Colts cut Marvin Harrison, the Jags cut Fred Taylor, the Raiders are cutting everyone, etc. This is just the normal annual business of preparing for the draft.

It doesn't mean that there isn't something in the works - but with or without a big FA deal, teams do this stuff every time during the week leading up to free agency.

Sage - I think they're just publicly getting the "price" of Sage out there because trades can't be made official until Friday. That gives today-Friday for more teams to call about his availability.

Weaver - There was no harm in trying to trade him for a 7th-rounder. They probably knew there was zero chance, but it doesn't hurt to try... especially since there are so many teams making the 3-4 switch - he at LEAST had proven success in that system. They knew nobody would trade for that contract though - but hey, might as well ask.

I think that's the extent of it, but obviously I could just be off my rocker.
 
I think we've got to have some sort of plan when we have already agreed in principle to trade our backup QB before it's even allowed to become official. Why not shop him around a little longer? Rick Smith knows what he's doing....
 
allstars said:
I think we've got to have some sort of plan when we have already agreed in principle to trade our backup QB before it's even allowed to become official. Why not shop him around a little longer? Rick Smith knows what he's doing....
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Well, by letting the fourth-round price tag leak - he kind of is shopping him. The deal can't be official until Friday, so anyone else who might want Sage has all week to contact Smith.
 
Be happy you get a 4th for Rosencopter.

I don't see them making any "splash" move. Like Diehard says, they're getting rid of all the deadwood, but all the other teams are doing the same thing.
 
DiehardChris said:
Well, by letting the fourth-round price tag leak - he kind of is shopping him. The deal can't be official until Friday, so anyone else who might want Sage has all week to contact Smith.
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If they have in principal agreed (given their hand so to speak) with the Vikes for a 4th and then turn around and shop him to another team for more value that would be a short term win and a long term lose. They would then be seen as not being worth working with as you can't trust their word. I know it's business, but you don't walk on your word just because someone offers a better deal.
 
They definately have a plan in place guys and they could be ready to make the type of move that the texans normally don't do because we always have been strapped for money. After watching the DE's at the combine I could see us going after Michael Johnson so that means we might drop back in the 1st round to take him to pick up extra picks we might be a major player in the free agent market this off-season and I'm fired up!!!!
 
If they are trying to put themselves in a position to move up the only player I could see them trying to move up for would be Aaron Curry, but I would add that I just don't see them making that kind of move.

I think they are just trying to put themselves in the best possible position to improve this team by acquiring more picks.

I too, could see them dropping back in the first and picking Johnson.

Of course, they could also be acquiring the extra picks to trade up higher in the 2nd to acquire him there, while still retaining a 1st round pick to acquire a different player.
 
You didnt know? We are moving up the board for Orakpo. Houston is going to pair Mario with Brian and all 31 teams will come down with a bad case of Orakpophobia!

Either that, or they want to take a RB in round 3-4.
 
I think this is just their version of making a splash and turning over some personnel. Start over with some new faces via FA and the draft. I don't see them signing a "sexy" player in FA, or moving up too high in the draft. They have a core group, lets see what changes they can make to compliment that core group. Just my opinion.....
 
dalemurphy said:
"Supercalifragilisticexpealadocious!" exclaimed the obsessed fan with three small children who is sitting at the computer at 11pm desperately looking for the next tiny bit of Texan news four days before any news can be uttered.
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You have three small children, now thats news!:specnatz:
 
edo783 said:
If they have in principal agreed (given their hand so to speak) with the Vikes for a 4th and then turn around and shop him to another team for more value that would be a short term win and a long term lose. They would then be seen as not being worth working with as you can't trust their word. I know it's business, but you don't walk on your word just because someone offers a better deal.
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I think we should back out of the deal and let them know that we should probably keep Sage because you never know what team will hunt for our starters knees TWICE in a game. Screw them! I'd rather take a 5th from another team.
 
The only player I'd really be "happy" with trading up for would be Aaron Curry. The problem is he cemented himself as a top 5 pick, so we'd be giving up a lot of picks AND paying him outrageous money. Then within a year we'd be turning around and making Demeco one of the highest paid LBs in the league. That just doesn't sit right with me.

However, Curry would be the perfect SAM for us and on passing downs we could still leave him and Demeco out there, so he'd be an everydown player.

I'd rather them not trade up though unless it's packaging some later round picks to move back up into the 2nd or 3rd if some guy drops.

Shoot, I'd go so far as to say if they could pull a trade down into the late first (pick up a 3rd) we could have our entire roster pretty much set with possible starters or very good depth. One more year of steady drafting but with 9 draft picks? We'd be on the verge of being perennial AFC South Champions. Finish off our depth chart, re-sign some key personnel to long term contracts, couple key FA moves and then go after an elite FA next offseason.

To be a team where I want us to be we still need to find (on roster or elsewhere) a RDE, NT, SLB, CB, S, RG, RB, WR, QB. Now some of those (3?) should be starters, the rest quality depth. If we could get there, that's when I'd be comfortable trading up in the draft or for a marquee player.

I see next years' draft having some real studs we could trade up for, this year not as much. Of course I'm sure I said the exact same thing last year ;) I say stand pat/trade down finish off depth and a few key starters. Next year get(trade up for) SS ERic Berry (the next Polomalu/Taylor kind of safey).
 
Id be happiest with a bunch of picks in round 2-4. You get good value there. Contracts are small enough that a bust doesn't really affect your team in the future, and often the players in those rounds are just as good as they guys in the picks 11-25 anyway
 
gtexan02 said:
Id be happiest with a bunch of picks in round 2-4. You get good value there. Contracts are small enough that a bust doesn't really affect your team in the future, and often the players in those rounds are just as good as they guys in the picks 11-25 anyway
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Based on our history of picking in that area, it is our sweet spot for sure.
 
Hopefully all of this trading players and creating cap space leads to a sign and trade for Julius Peppers.
 
Polo said:
Hopefully all of this trading players and creating cap space leads to a sign and trade for Julius Peppers.
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I'm so jaded on the free agants they've signed in the past, I'd be afraid that Peppers would end up being another often-injured underacheiver like Weaver once he pockets that big-ass guaranteed signing bonus.

No thanks. I'd rather do without the worry that it would turn out that way. Like I said, color me jaded, but I don't want them even entertaining the thought of signing any free agents.
 
Does that 4th for Sage negate ony 4th we might lose because of the OTA violations......maybe their thinking on the Sage trade.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Does that 4th for Sage negate ony 4th we might lose because of the OTA violations......maybe their thinking on the Sage trade.
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I don't think they would trade their backup to cover their backside for fear of losing a draft pick. I think they would get a slap on the wrist if anything. We're not a troublesome franchise in Goodel's eyes, so a fine may come, but for a first offense, no way we lose a 4th:)
 
rarazz00 said:
Not sure of any big splash...we still have to sign OD and D Ryans and others plus our draft picks...our cap space isn't that great now, though its not that bad either. I do hear that Plummer is now free and I wonder if he is entertaining the thought of comming back, though he said he's retired. Plummer and Kubiak had a pretty good relationship a few years back. Don't know what kind of shape he's in or if he has any love left for the game. Does anyone know how to "bug" Kubiaks office...lol
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There's a rumor that New England has a camera installed.
 
Marcus said:
I'm so jaded on the free agants they've signed in the past, I'd be afraid that Peppers would end up being another often-injured underacheiver like Weaver once he pockets that big-ass guaranteed signing bonus.

No thanks. I'd rather do without the worry that it would turn out that way. Like I said, color me jaded, but I don't want them even entertaining the thought of signing any free agents.
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I agree. Peppers scares me. I see "3-4" mentioned wayyyy too much in the articles about him. How would he translate to a 4-3? Is his age beginning to take a toll, and will it continue to affect his play in the next 2-4 years?

Let's not even throw in the problem with his contract (big $$$) and that we'd have to give up some hefty draft picks. That's an issue all unto itself.

Too costly, and too much risk, IMO, for this to be a good "deal" for us.
 
What if we are posturing to move up in the draft? Perhaps Smithiak has fallen in love with someone from the combine. For giggles and grins let's say Orakpo. That kid won't be there at 15.
 
I think Smithiak is just trying to get as many draft picks as possible. If they can get a third and a fourth or two fourths for Jacoby/Sage and then trade back with the first rounder they have and pick up an extra 3rd then we will have 10 picks total and a lot of them in the middle rounds were they sign for much cheaper.

That being said, I think we got to get a veteran QB in here soon through FA. I think Kubiak, being the QB guy he is, already has someone in mind and Smith has probably already been talking to his agent. Why else would they let Sage go, they need another year to develop Nall or Brink to be capable to step in if Schaub goes down. So how many QB's are out there that have experience running the WCO, I doubt Plummer comes back, so who does that leave.......Garcia, right? Makes sense to me.

Just my theory.
 
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Wolfiegrrl said:
What if we are posturing to move up in the draft? Perhaps Smithiak has fallen in love with someone from the combine. For giggles and grins let's say Orakpo. That kid won't be there at 15.
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I don't think trading up is our FO's typical MO, other than the Schaub deal they like adding to draft picks not giving up too much for one guy (not suggesting Schaub wasn't worth it, just it took a lot to get him, I do think he was worth it because of his position). I believe they are just trying to infuse this team with as much young talent as possible, Kubes and Smith both believe in building through the draft.
 
I think they are gonna use the extra 4th they get for sage & use it to move up in the 2nd & get someone they really liked from the combine & that they know likely won't be there when they pick in the 2nd.

So i see
Micheal Johnson/ Clay mathews in the 1st

& a move up to possibly get Patrick Chung to help the 2ndary or Shon Greene to help bolster the running game in the 2nd.
 
Mr teX said:
I think they are gonna use the extra 4th they get for sage & use it to move up in the 2nd & get someone they really liked from the combine & that they know likely won't be there when they pick in the 2nd.

So i see
Micheal Johnson/ Clay mathews in the 1st

& a move up to possibly get Patrick Chung to help the 2ndary or Shon Greene to help bolster the running game in the 2nd.
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Clay Matthews in the first and Delmas in the 2nd looks really good right now; that's to me atleast.

Even better if the team can trade back in the 1st and still get Matthews.

I doubt/hope that the brain trust has no intention of trading up for anybody.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Clay Matthews in the first and Delmas in the 2nd looks really good right now; that's to me atleast.

Even better if the team can trade back in the 1st and still get Matthews.

I doubt/hope that the brain trust has no intention of trading up for anybody.
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maybe in the 2nd they will. We flourished as a passing team last year but i think people forget about how key the run game is to this offense & how weak we r in the secondary. If that perfect guy is there & the opportunity presents itself... i say go for it. I'd really like to see us get chung or Greene.
 
I seriously doubt they believe in trading up at all. I think their philosophy is draft good players that are a good value price wise and coach them up. The more draft picks the more chances to hit it big.
 
LOL. I think the Vikings extorted the Texans to take a 4th for Sage because we're going to lose a 4th rounder for the illegal OTA drills.

Vikings: "Helloooo! Say, we were just wondering if you'd like a FOURTH ROUNDER for Sage?"

Texans: "You know what? That sounds good to us. Deal."

That ensures that we retain at least one 4th round pick.
 
Vikings didn't extort us to take a 4th. We're lucky to get a fourth after the Rosenchopter incident...even then that says a lot about the QB situation around the NFL.

I don't think we're stockpiling picks and creating cap space to go after someone big in FA. I think more this year the cap hits weren't so bad that we were finally able to cut some bad contracts with players who weren't living up to them. As for the JJ trade guy isn't cracking the WR rotation like we need. Hopefully we don't go after another small school guy hoping to find a gem in the third. I know I keep saying this but I really hope Molden pans out more then a ST ace.

I see us making some FA moves but nothing big this year. We've got a good young core now we just need to build around them.
 
I hope we're focused on drafting good solid football players that contribute on our team.

I don't think the thought of getting in trouble with the NFL over the OTAs was really in their mind at all when making the trade with Sage. We'll probably just get fined and lose a couple of practice days. They also probably felt a 4th round pick was more valuable to building this team at this point than Sage was as a backup.

I hope we're going to focus a lot of the Cap space we have by extending contracts to proven players already on our team that fit exactly what we want.
 
Our 4th round picks:
2002 - Jonathan Wells - Never did much of anything
2003 - Domanick Davis - Rookie of the year, carried the offense until injury
2004 - Glenn Earl - starting SS for years
2005 - Jerome Mathis - Probowl returner who lost favor bc of attitude/injuries
2006 - Owen Daniels - Probowl TE
2007 - Fred Bennett - Promising rookie CB, slumped a little last season
2008 - Xavier Abidi - Came off the bench and our defense was instantly better

We've had some great picks in the 4th round. I hope we use both of our this season
 
gtexan02 said:
Our 4th round picks:
2002 - Jonathan Wells - Never did much of anything
2003 - Domanick Davis - Rookie of the year, carried the offense until injury
2004 - Glenn Earl - starting SS for years
2005 - Jerome Mathis - Probowl returner who lost favor bc of attitude/injuries
2006 - Owen Daniels - Probowl TE
2007 - Fred Bennett - Promising rookie CB, slumped a little last season
2008 - Xavier Abidi - Came off the bench and our defense was instantly better

We've had some great picks in the 4th round. I hope we use both of our this season
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We have two 4th round picks? How did we get the 2nd one?
 
I wouldn't rule out trading up.

We gave two seconds for Schaub and tried to trade up for DeAngelo Williams; not to mention what other kind of moves we might have tried to make that we don't know about.

Maybe we sholdn't expect a trade up, but I wouldn't rule it out as something we don't do.
 
rarazz00 said:
I don't think they would trade their backup to cover their backside for fear of losing a draft pick. I think they would get a slap on the wrist if anything. We're not a troublesome franchise in Goodel's eyes, so a fine may come, but for a first offense, no way we lose a 4th:)
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I don't think Goodell in his reign really cares who has been good. He likes to send messages and that way other teams know that there is a precedent. This got the coverage that other teams doing it didn't. However it has kind of gone to the wayside for now. I'm not saying they get the 4th to cover a 4th but it does help out in case and that could be in the back of their minds.
 
Shaft75 said:
Our FO is making some calculated decisions lately. Cutting some highly paid underachievers, trading Sage and possibly Jacoby to stash away some draft picks. I see a big trade coming or moving up in the draft.

Whatever we plan on doing, I am happy to see our FO so busy right now. I'm very anxious to see the end result.

Thoughts???
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This is the first time in Texans history, I feel, they have realized that in order to get better they must continue to upgrade at every position. 8-8 is not good enough to not make moves.

AJ would be the only player that comes to mind that is safe. Everyone else is expendable.
 
TEXANRED said:
This is the first time in Texans history, I feel, they have realized that in order to get better they must continue to upgrade at every position. 8-8 is not good enough to not make moves.

AJ would be the only player that comes to mind that is safe. Everyone else is expendable.
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This is how fans get disappointed. I bet not a single starter on O changes next season barring injury.

You don't think Mario is safe?, Demeco?, Daniels? Slaton? etc.
 
It's the offseason, things are slow. People are letting their imagination get the best of them.
 
Grams said:
It's the offseason, things are slow. People are letting their imagination get the best of them.
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When I posted this thread, I was looking at the amount of cutting and trading the front office was doing. They are extremely motivated right now to clear some space and grab some picks. We aren't in panic mode, so I would venture to say that we are scheming.

I am just wanting to know what the scheme will lead us to.
 
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