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If we HAD to spend big money on one of these free agents: Asomugha or Haynesworth?

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DiehardChris

You betcha!
Let me get this out of the way - neither of these signings are even remotely possible, so this is a COMPLETE hypothetical. Albert's going to come at too high a price, and Asomugha will probably be franchised again.

Who would you prefer?

I would go with Asomugha, because I think he's more of a sure-thing to continue his excellent play. I'm really afraid that Fat Al will go back to his only better-than-average play before his contract years... that said, it's almost worth the risk because OH my GOD he and Mario on the same line? Holy cow.

Somehow, I'm not smart enough to figure out how to make this a poll. I clicked the box that says "Yes, post a poll with this thread," but that didn't work.
 
Aso.

We don't need scum on this team.

This is my message to Fat Albert:

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DiehardChris said:
Let me get this out of the way - neither of these signings are even remotely possible, so this is a COMPLETE hypothetical. Albert's going to come at too high a price, and Asomugha will probably be franchised again.

Who would you prefer?

I would go with Asomugha, because I think he's more of a sure-thing to continue his excellent play. I'm really afraid that Fat Al will go back to his only better-than-average play before his contract years... that said, it's almost worth the risk because OH my GOD he and Mario on the same line? Holy cow.

Somehow, I'm not smart enough to figure out how to make this a poll. I clicked the box that says "Yes, post a poll with this thread," but that didn't work.
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Haynesworth

BUT, the way he speaks of the Texans and Schaub we're probably the last team he'd be interested in. I suppose if we threw more cash at him than any other team he'd consider it, but I don't think we can afford it.
 
Also - could someone help me out on how to start a poll? I've been here a while, but right now I feel like such a noob! LOL
 
I don't know.
First, I want to see the list of F/As who'll be available. If I can replace Brisiel with a road grader/better pass blocker, that's the move I'd make.
Asomugha would be a stud pickup but not if it means we can't re-sign any of our core guys.
Personally, I still don't think Fisher/Bud will let Haynesworth get out of Nashville.
I'd love to see the NYG let one of their 3-headed RB monster go. Jacobs or Ward or Bradshaw... I'd take either one as a compliment to Slaton. Although Bradshaw may be damaged goods
 
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If you do a poll of unattainable FAs from this year toss in Peppers. Between Aso and Haynesworth its Haynesworth for me. With him we immediately become a force against the run defensively and our sacks/pressures would skyrocket improving us against the pass significantly.
 
Needless to say, I'm not gonna support signing Hainsworth! LOL

That other guy looks pretty good.
 
Tough call, Haynesworth would bring a mean streak to the team we sorely need.

But Aso is younger and would effectively shut down the opponent's best WR (providing we get a DC that doesn't assign each CB a specific side of the field).

I'd go with Aso because of the potential that Fat Albert would get lazy with the big contract.
 
I think they should sign that great cover corner Spurstexanstros because when there is a punt in the air he will make sure it hits the other guy.(and he is cheap)
 
Neither. Haynesworth has only played 16 games once, and that was his rookie year.

We also don't need an expensive corner.

If I was spending big money in the off season it would be on Julius Peppers.
 
I would prefer Aso. I would go hard after DE Will Smith New Orleans http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/493067;Julius Peppers is interesting also.

As I do not think we will get any of these three and as I like Bulman, Cochran and DelJuan Robinson I would look to draft to fulfill my defense needs. I expect some guys on current roster to be gone but think Okoye, Okam, Nading(Kubes mentioned his play after Titans game) will all be back. Travis Johnson probable as he has relatively cheap contract at 5 years 10.2 million.

I think Brandon Graham DE 6' 3" 270 with reported 4.72 speed will be available in 2nd round.
 
If you want Dunta on this team, I do not see how we have more than one FA signing at the CB position, given our recent investments in the position - Reeves, Bennett and Molden. At the CB position, we sign Dunta, draft another CB and an S in my opinion.
 
If we were going to get one or the other I would personally choose Asomugha. I think he's an incredible CB just hitting his prime.

I think Haynesworth would do more for our defense/team when he's on the field, though. A DT like him would be crazy to have on the same line as Mario and would make Amobi/TJ and Bulman/Weaver instantly better. But I really dislike the person and player Haynesworth is. Call me close minded or a baby McNair, but I don't really want to see him as a Texan. When it comes to the quality of the person and the character... Big Al is near the bottom of the list.

Peppers would be a really interesting signing. If I'm not mistaken, I think he's one of Mario's idols? If we got Peppers in the offseason and then drafted a 1st round DT like BJ Raji... mayb a Safety in the 2nd round- our defense would be so good.
 
Mailman said:
Sign Aso.

Draft Orakpo.
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How much draft capitol do you spend to move up and go get him ? and are you positive that Orakpo alone will get you into the AFC championship game next year ?

Look what happened to Jacksonville this year. Pocket Hercules and Fred Taylor didn't turn suckie over night. They over reached for DEs in the draft. Then what happened...they lost four....count them four guards and their rushing attack crashed and burned.

No one is a bigger Brain Orakpo fan than I am on the board. I started banging for him back in October....lot of draft capitol to spend on one guy to move up and go get him. Not saying you're wrong...just saying.
 
threetoedpete said:
How much draft capitol do you spend to move up and go get him ? and are you positive that Orakpo alone will get you into the AFC championship game next year ?

Look what happened to Jacksonville this year. Pocket Hercules and Fred Taylor didn't turn suckie over night. They over reached for DEs in the draft. Then what happened...they lost four....count them four guards and their rushing attack crashed and buned.

No one is a bigger Brain Orakpo fan than I am on the board. I started banging for him back in October....lot of draft capitol to spend on one guy to move up and go get him. Not saying you're wrong...just saying.
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Well, Harvey missed the ENTIRE training camp, and that made a difference in his development. Not saying it's NEARLY the reason Jax sucks this year, but for Harvey's development, it's huge. The Texans have a history of not having their rookies miss camp.

Also - I've read in a couple of places that Orakpo might drop to the second half of the first round, so we may not even have to trade up to get him... which of course we wouldn't do.
 
DiehardChris said:
Well, Harvey missed the ENTIRE training camp, and that made a difference in his development. Not saying it's NEARLY the reason Jax sucks this year, but for Harvey's development, it's huge. The Texans have a history of not having their rookies miss camp.

Also - I've read in a couple of places that Orakpo might drop to the second half of the first round, so we may not even have to trade up to get him... which of course we wouldn't do.
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The one who is going to drop is Micheal Johnson once the DC's and the GMs start to watch the film. After the over priced safety, that is my second worse draft night mare.
 
noxiousdog said:
I can't believe so many people want to give huge free agent money to someone who hasn't played a full 16 game season since 2002.
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Clearly you're missing the spirit of the thread. I know we're not going to sign either guy, and truthfully I don't WANT either one at the price it would take. I'm more curious to see if people would want to roll the dice on Fat Al, or take what I think is the sure thing in Ndami.

I don't want to give huge FA money to Fat Al. I just wondered who people would want if we HAD to sign one of them.
 
DiehardChris said:
Clearly you're missing the spirit of the thread. I know we're not going to sign either guy, and truthfully I don't WANT either one at the price it would take. I'm more curious to see if people would want to roll the dice on Fat Al, or take what I think is the sure thing in Ndami.

I don't want to give huge FA money to Fat Al. I just wondered who people would want if we HAD to sign one of them.
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Fair enough. But it's not like it hasn't been discussed elsewhere on this board.

And regardless, that should make it Aso by default :)
 
threetoedpete said:
How much draft capitol do you spend to move up and go get him ? and are you positive that Orakpo alone will get you into the AFC championship game next year ?

Look what happened to Jacksonville this year. Pocket Hercules and Fred Taylor didn't turn suckie over night. They over reached for DEs in the draft. Then what happened...they lost four....count them four guards and their rushing attack crashed and burned.

No one is a bigger Brain Orakpo fan than I am on the board. I started banging for him back in October....lot of draft capitol to spend on one guy to move up and go get him. Not saying you're wrong...just saying.[/QUOTE I would be absolutely stunned if a trade up is done. In fact, I anticipate a re-do of last year. I just hope with same results.
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badboy said:
threetoedpete said:
How much draft capitol do you spend to move up and go get him ? and are you positive that Orakpo alone will get you into the AFC championship game next year ?

Look what happened to Jacksonville this year. Pocket Hercules and Fred Taylor didn't turn suckie over night. They over reached for DEs in the draft. Then what happened...they lost four....count them four guards and their rushing attack crashed and burned.

No one is a bigger Brain Orakpo fan than I am on the board. I started banging for him back in October....lot of draft capitol to spend on one guy to move up and go get him. Not saying you're wrong...just saying.
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I would be absolutely stunned if a trade up is done. In fact, I anticipate a re-do of last year. I just hope with same results.

Agreed. I watched Brandon Alberts and Clady get plucked off the board last year....I have no illusions this year. We're out of range of the elite first step DE/athletic cover all three positions LB. Good thing I'm not the GM huh ?
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For the purpose of the thread, I’d go with Asomugha. He’s a great character guy and would immensely improve a secondary. With Dunta and Asomugha going man to man, it would free up that extra second to allow the front seven to create havoc. With that said Haynesworth would probably provide more immediate improvement to our defense. I just can’t see him joining the good guy’s and getting along after all that bad blood.

Now what I expect to happen this off-season is that we resign Dunta and extend Owen and DeMeco’s contracts. Plus bring in some of the middle tier free agents. Now if we start cutting Greenwood or Weaver’s contracts that could put us in the market for a highly rated free agent.
 
threetoedpete said:
badboy said:
I would be absolutely stunned if a trade up is done. In fact, I anticipate a re-do of last year. I just hope with same results.

Agreed. I watched Brandon Alberts and Clady get plucked off the board last year....I have no illusions this year. We're out of range of the elite first step DE/athletic cover all three positions LB. Good thing I'm not the GM huh ?
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Do you have any feedback for me on DE Brandon Graham? You watch the college games much more than I and some sources such as Walters have him going to Houston in second. He appears very fast with good size.
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Tough one.

I'm not sure which would help this team more. It's obvious we need secondary help, but our D-line needs help as well.

I would have to Asomugha though.

We could have Dunta and Asomugha along with Bennett and Molden. I would be very happy with that.
 
Haynesworth would be a no-brainer but that would all be contingent on him coming back near 100% from the MCL sprain he suffered v. the Texans.

I think it makes more sense than Aso for a lot of reasons but one easily justified reason is to get him off the Titans roster and handicap their team's future prospects of winning. I also think we have some young talent at DB that deserves a shot and I think Dunta may be easier to retain than Aso to lure.

I like both and if we get either, I just may go streaking through the quad in excitement.
 
I don't really want Haynesworth...I think he's a really good DT, but I don't want him...

I'd rather save some of the jack that'd we'd have to pay those kind of FA's and use it on our own guys who have earned it like Slaton, Daniels, Walter, Winston, ect...

Skip the highdollar FA's, re-sign our guys who have outplayed their contracts and will be looking for more money...

Sometimes I wish I could rep myself...
 
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I wouldn't touch Haynesworth. Throughout his career, he has always been lazy. He has become one of the best DTs while playing for a long term contract. Once he has that big contract, I'm not sure he wouldn't return to his lazy ways.

Also, every season he has injury problems. I don't think he has played in 16 games since his rookie year. The guy is a reincarnation of Mo Taylor.
 
Haynesworth returning to the tits doesn't scare me. I like Haynesworth on the Titans. A big dumb ass playing for a big dumb ass. Perfect
 
Polo said:
I don't really want Haynesworth...I think he's a really good DT, but I don't want him...

I'd rather save some of the jack that'd we'd have to pay those kind of FA's and use it on our own guys who have earned it like Slaton, Daniels, Walter, Winston, ect...

Skip the highdollar FA's, re-sign our guys who have outplayed their contracts and will be looking for more money...

Sometimes I wish I could rep myself...
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I'm with Polo. I'd rather give the money to guys on the Texans who've already paid their dues with the team instead of some high dollar free agent. Plus, Rick Smith can't sign Aso to the deal he is expecting and tell Dunta that he has to take less money, which is exactly what would happen. You can't pay three guys like #1 players at the same position. Forget Aso, give that money to Dunta.

Haynesworth is appealing, but who's to say that he gets the big money contract that he is about to get and continues to perform at the level he's performing at now? If the Texans go after any free agent, I'd prefer it be Terrell Suggs. I thought that they should have given Jevon Kearse a shot last offseason. Let Weaver walk and try and sign Suggs.
 
I like how Kubiak and Smith have been building the team up. I think we should stay away from high dollar multi year contracts until our team is pretty much built up with solid depth. We're still working on depth at every single position on our team (maybe save TE, WR and maaaybe CB) so I don't see the point of spending so much money on one player.

I've always been with the thought that when your depth is solid throughout the positions, your starters are set... you break the bank on that one player that makes the difference. That one superstud. The thing is if you do it this way, your team should be good enough that it's hard for that FA player to fail/bust. If your team isn't solid around him, he will have a harder time succeeding and then that is wasted money.
 
To continue from my previous post...

Another thing about building your team up BEFORE signing a huge free agent is that it gives them more incentive to actually sign with your team. FA's want to (i) get paid and (ii) win a superbowl. They will flock to your team if you have a quality franchise heading to the playoffs.

Take Haynesworth for example. A big worry is that he gets paid and quits or becomes lazy. This is much less likely to happen if you have a really strong supporting cast around him. He's happy he got paid the big bucks. Now instead of being on a .500 team and being decent... he's on a playoff team that should be going to the superbowl. He wants a ring (they all do) and when your constantly on ESPN and hyped up to be such a great team... they play harder, they're more likely to go to the pro bowl etc. In other words, more likely to succeed than fail. Then that $$$ was worth it.

As texans fans we know how hard it is for players to make it to the pro bowl or even the playoffs.
 
Again - missing the point of the thread. I don't want either of them at the price it would take. I'm saying, if we were FORCED somehow to sign one or the other.

I'm a firm believer of taking care of the guys you have before all else. I'm in agreement there.
 
JBZ

I will take the best CB in the league over a 75% DR any day of the week.

I like DR but ASO is the better CB even if DR was 100%.

ASO is a major upgrade in talent & if we can upgrade we should do it.

I believe in taking care of our own first but not @ the expense of getting the best CB in the league.
 
I would definitely pick Aso over fatty anyday, thats kind of obvious right*looks at avatar*:woot2? Aso just wants to play for a team that isn't dysfunctional. Yeah he will come at a cost, but I believe the cost is well worth what your getting. A top of the line CB that plays for the love of the game, kind of hard to find those type of players nowadays:thinking:
 
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