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Old 06-14-2005   #21
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It's both, and all the teams in the NFL zone block and man block. You have to use the same skills in either blocking scheme. There are times you have to overpower your opponent in either scheme as well as slide to the second level and take on linebackers in space.
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I think it's finally (though probably too late now) dawning on them that they dawdled in the offseason without addressing the O-line. We may well be in panic mode in training camp trying to fix the problem as best we can.
It's June.
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Right, but is the zone-blocking scheme more finess or power oriented ? I'm
unsure and am asking you ffor a clarification.
It's kinda depends. On running plays it is more focussed on finesse 1st then power. You see they focus on areas of the field and the LB's. Not too different from most other schemes. Usually 1, sometimes 2 linemen are left to shove D-Linemen on the backside of the play then they move to the LB's in case of a cutback by the RB. That is where the infamous "Cut-Block" usually happens. There's your finesse. The other 3 to 4 O-Linemen that are blocking in the path play are just flat out mauling. On pass plays it's usually just plain ole' pass blocking unless theres a bootleg or rollout or something then it kinda resembles runblocking yet the O-Linemen can't go upfield. This might not be 100% accurate but it's close. Hope this helps.
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Vinny & Big B - appreciate the response on my question - Thanks.
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Zone blocking is used by more teams than most of you guys think. Here is Bob Davie talking about the zone blocking scheme.
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I think for the Penn State fans, two great examples of zone blocking can be seen when you watch Minnesota and Iowa," Davie said by phone yesterday.

"What zone blocking is, is two adjacent offensive linemen working together to block an area. It could be three linemen, too.

"It could be the tight end and the tackle, it can be a guard and a tackle," Davie continued.

"And depending upon what the defensive linemen does, one of them is ultimately responsible for handling him.

"But you don't have to use it in the passing game. You don't need to zone block on screens. And the beauty of it is once you get the zone blocking scheme in, it accounts for just about any type of defensive front. You can handle the stunts with it and you are ready for the zone blitz."


And the key to the zone blocking according to Davie: the tailback. The cutback is where the big yards are gained. As Hunt and Scott gain more experience, it should be easier for the line.
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Thanx Vinny, that was cool.
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That is where the infamous "Cut-Block" usually happens.
Yea, that's the dark aspect of zone-blocking that has given it a bad rep.
Heard no less an NFL authority than Madden say on TV it ought to be banned,
yet others think its great and have no reservations about its use. Very
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It's June.
True, it's now June. The draft is over and the best free agent O-linemen are signed. Now we get to select from those cast off O-linemen cut by other teams or stick with what we got (which ain't much). Let's celebrate!
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True, it's now June. The draft is over and the best free agent O-linemen are signed. Now we get to select from those cast off O-linemen cut by other teams or stick with what we got (which ain't much). Let's celebrate!
Looks like they weren't after anyone but Pace on the high end side. They could have drafted any NCAA tackle in the nation but they passed. Perhaps they feel better about their talent than most of you guys.
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Washington does not look like he plays unless somebody is injured... not really a starter.
Washington was our starter in 2003 at Left Guard.
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...and was horrible.
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True, it's now June. The draft is over and the best free agent O-linemen are signed. Now we get to select from those cast off O-linemen cut by other teams or stick with what we got (which ain't much). Let's celebrate!
Okay Geofb, Go on record with who you would have signed and drafted this offseason. I'd love to hear your insight.
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Looks like they weren't after anyone but Pace on the high end side. They could have drafted any NCAA tackle in the nation but they passed. Perhaps they feel better about their talent than most of you guys.
I think the Texans (mistakenly) do feel somewhat comfortable with the talent they have on the O-line. What else could explain their unwillingness to do anything to try and improve it? Time will tell if their confidence in their O-line was warranted or not.

But, if they truly do feel good about the talent they have, I wouldn't expect them to make many changes to upset the apple cart. I would think they would keep the same players playing the same positions if they truly feel they are top quality and just need time to gel. We get to test this theory of how good they feel about their talent in training camp-if they start trying all kinds of different combinations that tells me they are not comfortable with what they have...which then begs the question of why didn't they try and do something about it while they still had the chance. For better or worse, we're pretty much stuck with what we got now.
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I think the Texans (mistakenly) do feel somewhat comfortable with the talent they have on the O-line. What else could explain their unwillingness to do anything to try and improve it?
If you are talking roster moves, we did. Last year we changed 4 of the 6 blockers if you include the TE. Good teams don't change their players that much year in-year out, and win. I've already commented a billion times about the line calls and the protection scheme changes as being "significant", but that doesn't count with you guys who only want to see the names change.
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I've already commented a billion times about the line calls and the protection scheme changes as being "significant", but that doesn't count with you guys who only want to see the names change.
This is the second offseason in a row that we are making significant changes in our blocking schemes according to the Texans. Until those changes start to reduce the number of sacks and give Carr more time to throw, then keep changing them all you want and that plus a quarter will get you a cup of coffee.
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...and was horrible.
Yep, that's true.
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This is the second offseason in a row that we are making significant changes in our blocking schemes according to the Texans. Until those changes start to reduce the number of sacks and give Carr more time to throw, then keep changing them all you want and that plus a quarter will get you a cup of coffee.
Bash away, it won't hurt or help the Texans much, but it's a reflection on you the fan. This is where I leave you guys to worry about it endlessly. I don't see much point in endless finger pointing myself when the team has yet to play one single down in the next year after addressing their situation. Knock yourself out.
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