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Old 09-01-2012   #21
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If you gauge it by who & how many want our castoffs I guess we're getting better...

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I think we've gotten worse in some areas and better in others.

If Matt stays healthy that's a huge check mark in the 'better' column. O line looks weaker. Wr's look better to me. Db's should be a bit improved.

D line should be better.

Lb corps is worse without Demeco from what I've seen. Mario is a minus, but he doesn't really count as he didn't play a majority of the season anyways.

If trindon lives up to the hype that could be huge for us.

I think we could be better, but the record not reflect it. Really tough question to answer at this point though.
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If the 2011 squad was a legitimate Superbowl contender barring injuries, even a slight downgrade still makes Houston a threat.
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This is a good question. Talent wise, we definitely took a step back. We lost 3 starters and replaced them with backups. But we are still a superbowl contending team.
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This is a good question. Talent wise, we definitely took a step back. We lost 3 starters and replaced them with backups. But we are still a superbowl contending team.
Just curious, but what 3 starters did we lose and replace with back ups?
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Just curious, but what 3 starters did we lose and replace with back ups?
Winston , Briesel and MW from last years starters ....
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Winston , Briesel and MW from last years starters ....
I'm guessing he'd already counted Mario out of the mix, and the third was DeMeco.
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Two big ifs, but if Schaub can stay healthy the entire season (playoffs included obviously), and Dre is healthy for 12 or more RS games, and all playoff games, then I'm saying yes, we're better.

I'm uncomfortable with what we've seen from Yates in preseason, but it's still ony preseason. I'm less concerned with the line than most appear to be. We lost our backup swing tackle last season too, and it was the same guy we lost this season. I'm not saying the line as a whole will be as good - especially not right away, but I just think Newton will grow into the position nicely, and while Caldwell might not be the long-term answer at RG, he's good enough to keep the line as a whole from being a problem. Bottom line is I have enough faith in Dennison and Benton to think any shortcomings with the line can be effectively managed.

As with most of us, I have been unimpressed with Bradie James, and I do think there's a drop-off at that position. I just don't think that position is one of the more important one's in Wade's defense. I also think that as good as they were last year, Watt, Reed, and even Barwin should all show improvement. I think it's overlooked that while Barwin is going into his fourth year, he completely (well, almost completely) missed one of them, and going into last season, he'd started the exact same number of games that Watt and Reed had. While Kareem may never live up to his first round billing, he got better last year, and I think there will also be some improvement this year. Finally, I think a regular off-season, and another training camp under Wade's tutelage will prove be a good thing.

Still, I think we can analyze and over-analyze all we want, but how good we are this season, and how it will end up comparing to 2011 is more dependent on the health of Matt and Andre than anything else.
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The team playing against the 'Phins a week from today IS NOT as talented as the team that started the 2011 season against the Colts.
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I think this will be a good team...but it's not roll over everyone good and I while I don't think we are as talented as we were last year, I think we may be healthier and more experienced...so that ought to take up some slack.

I think it will be very important to win the home field advantage, but I'm not sure this team is going to be that good. I think we'll miss Ryans more than most think, the secondary isn't near as good as people think, and the offensive line is a work in progress, so I think we have a punchers chance. I've been a little bit of an ambivalent NFL fan this offseason but the last few weeks have me ready to watch the league and our team again.
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Ever hear of the phrase "adversity builds character?"

What we went through last season was simply amazing. We kept getting hurt, over and over again, one thing after another, one player out, another player out, and what did we do? We kept jumping back up and moving forward, punching fools in the mouth.

Then, we used that to get into the playoffs for the first time. As Lucky said upthread, playoff experience counts. For a lot.

Yes, we lost some talent this offseason, but, we gained a really, hardcore shell.

The season hasn't started yet, but, based on the (supposed) growth with learning from adversity, I'll take the 2012 Texans over the 2011 Texans, Alex.
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I will tell a story to prove my point.

the 2004 St. Louis Cardinals had one heck of a team. It seemed like from literally every position, they had a player who could hit the ball deep. On top of that, most of the players at their position were some of the best. It showed too, because they had the best record in baseball that year. They made it to the world series that year, but lost. Over the offseason, they lost a couple of their big hitters and were not as good coming on to the field the next season. In 2006, basically with the same team they had in 05, they won the world series. Sort of the same deal with the Astros. The 2004 team, on paper, was much better than the 2005 team. They could actually hit the ball, and had good players at their position. However, as all of us know, the 2005 team went further than the 2004 team and even the 1998 team.

What my point is, is that sometimes a team can be really good on paper, but not win it all in the end. The effect it has on that team though, no matter how many people they lose (unless if it was the whole team) makes them hungry for more and give that team chemistry. If you were to ask me, I would tell you that the 2004 Astros and Cardinals were better than their respective 2005 and 2006 squad. However, the 2005 Astros and the 2006 Cardinals are the teams that brought home championships.

After all of that, I agree the 2011 Texans are better on paper than this current team. However, I feel the 2012 Texans will go further and hopefully bring home the Lombardi, even though the 2011 team was better.
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I'm guessing he'd already counted Mario out of the mix, and the third was DeMeco.
Demeco was replaced by a FA not a backup from last year tho ....

Either way , there's not been much turnover on this team - only four starters differing from last years squad on both sides of the ball , three of which have been replaced by players on last years team. I think that says a lot about the depth that 2011 squad had and their performance after guy's got injured showed that too.
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If you gauge it by who & how many want our castoffs I guess we're getting better...

Patriots -- OL Thomas Austin
Eagles -- OL Nate Menkins
Dolphins -- DB Troy Nolan
Buccaneers -- OL Cody Wallace
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Four teams - St. Louis, Washington, Seattle, Tennessee - put in waiver claims for former Texans G Shelley Smith, who was awarded to Rams.
That's kind of a mindblower right there. We're going into the season with a suspect O line, yet we waive 4 O linemen and they are all picked up.

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That's kind of a mindblower right there. We're going into the season with a suspect O line, yet we waive 4 O linemen and they are all picked up.

They all wanted to learn our offense from him? No?

Maybe we're not as bad off on the O-Line as we think we are?
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They all wanted to learn our offense from him? No?

Maybe we're not as bad off on the O-Line as we think we are?
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The texans have a well coached team.

I thought about that watching them play last game. It was the special teams. They looked extremely disciplined in their kick coverage. Breaking down, staying in their lanes even when it was tempting to break off.

One thing about special teams that I've just observed--you can have a really good st coordinator and really good talent on those st, but when those st are consistently disciplined that comes from the head coach and the overall leadership of the team.

Even if you believe this team is overall less talented (I don't), when a team cares enough to remained disciplined in their techniques and committed to the pursuit of perfection, special things can happen.

Watching these guys on special teams is just one small clue to how this team feels about this season. Jmo, but the vibe I get from these guys is that they are hungry, committed, and have a level of determination to where they are he'll bent on success. Combine that with the talent we have and you get fireworks.

I'm feeling really good about this season. Will we win the ship? I don't know, buy I think this will be our best effort to do so yet.
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