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profan

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I sure would like to see Sage start for one game. Not to bash carr, but to see what he can do. He has 3 td's in less than 1/2 of a game. Carr has 9 td passes for the entire season. It seams to me carr is dumping off short passes, when someone else may have a better vision downfield. We finally got the running game carr has been talking about needing, but we still only manage 14 points. While kubiak has pulled carr and has supposedly been tough on him, the fact is carr knows the position is his and there really is no competition at this position for the starting job. As long as carr plays anywhere from average to good the position is his. How will we know if we have a better qb on the bench if he does not get to start a whole game. He did well in preseason and in the titan game. Play him for one game, what could it hurt, playoff chances? Maybe draft position.
 
profan said:
I sure would like to see Sage start for one game. Not to bash carr, but to see what he can do. He has 3 td's in less than 1/2 of a game. Carr has 9 td passes for the entire season. It seams to me carr is dumping off short passes, when someone else may have a better vision downfield. We finally got the running game carr has been talking about needing, but we still only manage 14 points. While kubiak has pulled carr and has supposedly been tough on him, the fact is carr knows the position is his and there really is no competition at this position for the starting job. As long as carr plays anywhere from average to good the position is his. How will we know if we have a better qb on the bench if he does not get to start a whole game. He did well in preseason and in the titan game. Play him for one game, what could it hurt, playoff chances? Maybe draft position.
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For me there's no real question about whether Sage Rosenfels is a starting QB - for any team. He's a solid backup and has proven himself to be that. I don't think there's anything left to prove, really.

And I know Carr throws a lot of short passes, but he's doing it extremely well and it's getting us consistent yardage (consecutive completions record - that's no mean feat). He did go downfield a fair few times last game - on single coverage for the most part - but Nate Clements didn't give Andre an inch of space on the long routes.

I do see your point: "what could it hurt?" But I just don't see what it could help. Carr is our starter and I'd rather see him keep developing than put Sage out there for another run out down the stretch. :twocents:
 
To one of the member's points this is about the Texans. If the season continues to go south what would it hurt to develop our second stringer with a full start. The Browns game would not hurt anyone in my opinion if we cannot post two wins in the next three weeks.
 
I don't think DC's got it and therefore in the spirit of building for the future, play Sage for a few games. See how he does. Maybe we don't have to spend our first draft pick on a new QB.
 
SLO Texan said:
Seriously!!! I mean are you really serious?

If we're going to be paying this kid big bucks for the next three years I want to see him to continue to improve over a full season.

Kubes has got him looking much better than last year and he did complete 22 in a row last week....REMEMBER!!!!

Jesus people get off of him!! I know we want to see more throws over the middle and deep routes, does'nt everyone? No one cheers for the dump offs and quick slants, but that's what this offense is based on this season so get used to it.

Until Kubiak comes out in one of his Monday pressers and says "I want to see David throw it downfield more often" We need to all shut the **** up about that.

He's rebuilding the kids confidence and mechanics this year. David was all but destroyed after Dumb Dumb Capers was done with him.Think about how jacked up your head would be after being the league leader in getting pounded into the ground for FOUR seasons.

Let Kubes work him over the rest of the season and the offseason and I GUARANTEE we will see a confident, gun slingin, bad mofo of a QB next year.:wild:

Otherwise I will eat CROW for breakfeast, lunch, and dinner for the entire season!!

Go David Carr!!!! And Go Texans!!!:superman:
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Man, chill out. Just suggesting this position should be evaluated the same as others. How do you know which is the best qb if you never give your guy on the bench a chance in a regular season game? If Drew Bledsoe would not have gotten hurt, we may never have heard of Tom Brady. How do we know that Sage is not the next Tom Brady. Like, I said this is not a carr bashing, i cheer for him every week and will never boo the guy, but i would like to see what Sage can do. jmo
 
I felt we should have done this last year with Ragone towards the end of the season, just to see where he was at since his first shot a couple years earlier (disasters) and possibly to boost any kind of trade value. I don't think we'll see Sage unless Carr goes Kurt Warner or gets hurt though, although I am with you in that I would like to see Sage a couple times to see if the Titan game was just a fluke.
 
JDizzle said:
I felt we should have done this last year with Ragone towards the end of the season, just to see where he was at since his first shot a couple years earlier (disasters) and possibly to boost any kind of trade value. I don't think we'll see Sage unless Carr goes Kurt Warner or gets hurt though, although I am with you in that I would like to see Sage a couple times to see if the Titan game was just a fluke.
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The Titans game was no fluke... Thats what Rosenfels is, a back-up that can come in cold off the bench and spark the O a little bit.. He's a pretty good relief pitcher - but by no means a starter.
 
What I find funny, is that Sage gets a lot of those yards and TD's late in a game and he's the savior... Another QB does the same thing and it's "he's padding his stats in garbage time" - Hillarious!!

News Flash: The Titans game wasn't nearly as close of a game as the 28-22 final might suggest.

Sage couldn't win the starting job in Miami - when it was gift wrapped for him. He's a career back-up and there's nothing wrong with that... A lot of teams would like Sage as a back-up and I'm glad he's here as our back-up.
 
well what I was going to say is it is funny that if Carr would have not been benched and did what Sage did, we'd call it garbage stats and that the Titans were so far ahead they changed their defensive scheme (I can't find the link, but McClain had an article and also a Titan poster (can't remember the name) but seemed pretty credible over the years with his/her football knowledge (read some of his/her work on the titan boards and not just on this board.


with that said, I stand corrected,Sage's stats are pretty good over the years so who knows maybe give Sage a shot(not that I am saying Carr hasn't played well and should be bench, but I am open minded)

everything you needed to know about Sage and his stats
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5557/situational;_ylt=AsYFA.TUzO.6H1d7jrIQFTr.uLYF

and Carrs
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5887/situational
 
Texan_Bill said:
What I find funny, is that Sage gets a lot of those yards and TD's late in a game and he's the savior... Another QB does the same thing and it's "he's padding his stats in garbage time" - Hillarious!!

News Flash: The Titans game wasn't nearly as close as the 28-22 final that people think it was.

Sage couldn't win the starting job in Miami - when it was gift wrapped for him. He's a career back-up and there's nothing wrong with that... A lot of teams would like Sage as a back-up and I'm glad he's here as our back-up.
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you did a better job expressing my thoughts than I did
 
News Flash: The Titans game wasn't nearly as close of a game as the 28-22 final might suggest.

I don't even remember that game ... how did we get that far behind ?
 
I don't know but this gets frustrating to hear. I mean Carr gets hurt in the 4th quarter of the Jacksonville game with the Texans up by a few points. In comes Rosenfels and doesn't do squat against the Jags and "does what he's supposed to do" in not causing a turnover. Then Carr does the same thing against the Giants and Bills and guess what, he's supposed to not let them score TD's.

Then Rosenfels gets mop up time against the Titans when the Texans are down by 18 points and everyone thinks he's supergreat because he throws a couple of TD's. Carr threw 3 TD's late against the Colts in mop up time, but seriously can anyone guage their performances from this???

It just such a crock at this point to debate Carr vs Rosenfels. The defense has let the other teams score late in how many games now?
 
SESupergenius said:
I don't know but this gets frustrating to hear. I mean Carr gets hurt in the 4th quarter of the Jacksonville game with the Texans up by a few points. In comes Rosenfels and doesn't do squat against the Jags and "does what he's supposed to do" in not causing a turnover. Then Carr does the same thing against the Giants and Bills and guess what, he's supposed to not let them score TD's.

Then Rosenfels gets mop up time against the Titans when the Texans are down by 18 points and everyone thinks he's supergreat because he throws a couple of TD's. Carr threw 3 TD's late against the Colts in mop up time, but seriously can anyone guage their performances from this???

It just such a crock at this point to debate Carr vs Rosenfels. The defense has let the other teams score late in how many games now?[/
Warmer....... Warmer.......... HOT!!!!
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Wolf said:
Can you punt too,so we can save a roster spot :heh:
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I never could punt. I tried it a couple of times in HS, but I could only get a couple to turn over. HOWEVER, I did a little PK... Not a super strong leg, but I would venture to say at age (__) I could still hit a 30 yarder.
 
It just such a crock at this point to debate Carr vs Rosenfels. The defense has let the other teams score late in how many games now?

Who's ranked higher in scoring the offense or the defense ? The defense is 24th and the offense is 28th .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
No , our defense despite its pitiful start , rookies , new DC , and system has passed up the offense .
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nice.. and the offense doesn't have the same thing?

new OC, new system, rookie TE,rookie RB,rookie Tackle (spencer injured,Winston now at RT)

injuries are part of it, and IMO, both squads have a ways to go.

what troubles me is we can't get pressure on the QB with our front 4 unless we are in blitz mode.. that is the perception I see. not bashing the defense or anything just stating
 
I try to stay out of junk threads but I've been a critic of his ceiling so I'll say something. I think it would be amateur hour if they started Sage. Nothing against Sage of course...he has proven to be exactly what Kubiak has said he would be.

Big money players get paid big money because they make big plays. After 10 weeks Carr has proven he is able to manage games and stay away from huge mistakes. He deserves the shot to continue to prove he is a playmaker since Kubiak has stated over and over that Carr has a long ways to go. Grab some popcorn because Carr is going to play and we will all have to ride that wave and try to be patient since as Kubiak himself said...as Carr goes, the team goes. He said it, not me.
 
If ya swat the flies off dung, its still dung....

In other words
24th v 28th... Both are bad... To suggest Sage somehow can make a major impact on the 28th rating is living in fantasy land.
 
Actually Kubiak said the defense did its job and kept the Texans in the game long enough for the offense to make one play to win it .

Think about it the defense scored 7 pts but gave up 21 for a net of 14 pts . The offense scored how many .
 
Kaiser Toro said:
You are off the list and in the line up. I am willing to try anything at this moment for our team to crack the cover 2 code.
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SO I hear Gary Kubiak for a split second sound bite talking about the upcoming game and what does he say, something to the effect "we are going to have to be patient, some call it dink and dunk".

dear Mr. Kubiak. Did you ever stop to consider even for a moment this is exactly what they want you to do - take the easy way out and thrash around between the 20's for 60 minutes with nothing to show for it. Opponents are influencing you toward the "dink and dunk" game because they know they can beat you that way. They don't think Carr has the nad to put the ball in tight spaces and when he does, he makes genius decisions. The extent of his genius is, tunnelvision Andre or RUNNNNNNNNN!!!!!. Bah!
 
kingh99 said:
SO I hear Gary Kubiak for a split second sound bite talking about the upcoming game and what does he say, something to the effect "we are going to have to be patient, some call it dink and dunk".

dear Mr. Kubiak. Did you ever stop to consider even for a moment this is exactly what they want you to do - take the easy way out and thrash around between the 20's for 60 minutes with nothing to show for it. Opponents are influencing you toward the "dink and dunk" game because they know they can beat you that way. They don't think Carr has the nad to put the ball in tight spaces and when he does, he makes genius decisions. The extent of his genius is, tunnelvision Andre or RUNNNNNNNNN!!!!!. Bah!
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Maybe we could use the raiders style of pass offense, I mean 7 step drops and try and see if the QB has time to bomb it down field. It is working oh so well for them right now.

I am not completely sold on Carr for the future but some act like Carr has had everything there on the offensive side of the ball to be successful. Bradford (who until recently was unemployed), Gaffney, NO rec threat at TE, and besides AJ nothing else. An O-line who could not block there way out of a wet paper bag. But lets not look at that, it is the QBs fault for the play calling and the efforts of others on the team.

My evaluation of Carr will be done at seasons end, until then I say keep him in the game. Oh by the way, you can not evauluate someone on the bench.
 
Specnatz said:
My evaluation of Carr will be done at seasons end, until then I say keep him in the game. Oh by the way, you can not evauluate someone on the bench.
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You can evaluate the team. It is simply a controlling a variable. We have seen in 2003 and this year that when Carr is not in the game we move the ball and win football games. It has not been pretty at times, but the rest of the team responds in Carr's absence.
 
Not that I don't like Sage but we saw what happened to him when DC got hurt against NY Giants. They was on him like flies on you know what. So stay with your starter.
 
Sage is an expensive backup...I think he's one of the highest paid backups in the league.

I'm perfectly willing to stay with *butter fingers* for the rest of the games...We have so many other problems to address.
 
SLO Texan said:
Seriously!!! I mean are you really serious?

If we're going to be paying this kid big bucks for the next three years I want to see him to continue to improve over a full season.

Kubes has got him looking much better than last year and he did complete 22 in a row last week....REMEMBER!!!!

Jesus people get off of him!! I know we want to see more throws over the middle and deep routes, does'nt everyone? No one cheers for the dump offs and quick slants, but that's what this offense is based on this season so get used to it.

Until Kubiak comes out in one of his Monday pressers and says "I want to see David throw it downfield more often" We need to all shut the **** up about that.

He's rebuilding the kids confidence and mechanics this year. David was all but destroyed after Dumb Dumb Capers was done with him.Think about how jacked up your head would be after being the league leader in getting pounded into the ground for FOUR seasons.

Let Kubes work him over the rest of the season and the offseason and I GUARANTEE we will see a confident, gun slingin, bad mofo of a QB next year.:wild:

Otherwise I will eat CROW for breakfeast, lunch, and dinner for the entire season!!

Go David Carr!!!! And Go Texans!!!:superman:
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Ditto.
 
SLO Texan said:
If we're going to be paying this kid big bucks for the next three years I want to see him to continue to improve over a full season.
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I'm sorry - I thought this was a Todd Wade thread for a minute. He'd still be starting if the Texans followed this logic. And Marcus Coleman. And some others....
 
Superstar said:
Dude yeah fumbles are one of Carr's many incidents, but his lack of throwing one touchdown a game is ridiculous. Tony Romo undrafted threw five touchdowns against Tampa Bay. If Carr could play like that I wouldn't complain. If you say we do not have talent. You need to watch the games more closely.
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I don't think it matter what Carr does or doesn't do. If we win almost no one complains. If we lose he get all the blame. I can't think of any QB that has been successful with having 3 different offensive co/schemes in there 1st 4-5years. To think anyone would be is retarded. Come on! it was Tampa Bay. I hear about how fast AJ is but I can't remeber the last time he got past his defender. I like AJ and all, and am not defending carr altogether, but I think he needs more than 10 games IN A NEW SYSTEM before we all blast him. I can see significant improvement in him since he was benched. During the Buffalo game he was consistantly stepping into the pocket. He had a few throws down field (15-20 yards) that stopped there. IMO one of the reason for his yardage is because there is very little YAC. I say give him this year to learn the system and improve on his pocket presence/awareness and next year he should be better than average. If he isn't then it's time for a change.
 
Things I've noticed ...the Carr fans like calling names and Carr has had two of the best QB coaches in the business ( Kubiak and Palmer ) .
 
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