texansfan1974
Waterboy
The Houston Chronicle reports that "Burleson will visit early next week"
This could be good. I think it would cost us one our 3rd round picks.
This could be good. I think it would cost us one our 3rd round picks.
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Nate Burleson Saga
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Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I have no problme bringing him in. Would like to see how his physical goes and pay him #2 money. If we do get take him it changes the scales on selecting Bush in my opinion.
rittenhouserobz
Veteran
Burelson is a player that I would mind seeing here. Something about him says "solid player".
OzzO
.. and then?
Maddict5 said:
Because Burleson is a Restricted FA, the Texans do not have a choice in the matter. It is a third.
Minnesota does have the money to match pretty much any offer for Burleson, but this also means that they had the money to place a higher tender on the player.
El Amigo Invisible
Rookie
He is not that good! 
chuckm
Veteran
Here's some info about him ...
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/burleson_nate
ANALYSIS
Positives: Explosive breakaway threat with impressive leaping ability Shows a sudden burst coming off the line and uses his hands well to escape press coverage Has an array of moves to elude defenders and shows proper crack-block techniques upfield Sharp route-runner who is especially effective on underneath passes and crossing patterns Has good field awareness and is very conscious of the sideline markers Separates quickly from the defender in the open, showing that second gear needed to gain yardage after the catch Natural hand extender going up for the ball and shows fluid body adjustments coming back for the off-target tosses Very tough and physical going for the ball in a crowd His upfield acceleration consistently allows him to break tackles Always gets in the defender's way when trying to block for the ground game.
Negatives: Still learning how to vary his speed so he doesn't overrun on his routes Erratic blocker who needs to show better hand punch off the snap While explosive off the snap, he will gather himself before generating his separation burst after the catch Has a tendency to skip into his cuts.
some Combine notes ...
4.51 40 yd
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/burleson_nate
ANALYSIS
Positives: Explosive breakaway threat with impressive leaping ability Shows a sudden burst coming off the line and uses his hands well to escape press coverage Has an array of moves to elude defenders and shows proper crack-block techniques upfield Sharp route-runner who is especially effective on underneath passes and crossing patterns Has good field awareness and is very conscious of the sideline markers Separates quickly from the defender in the open, showing that second gear needed to gain yardage after the catch Natural hand extender going up for the ball and shows fluid body adjustments coming back for the off-target tosses Very tough and physical going for the ball in a crowd His upfield acceleration consistently allows him to break tackles Always gets in the defender's way when trying to block for the ground game.
Negatives: Still learning how to vary his speed so he doesn't overrun on his routes Erratic blocker who needs to show better hand punch off the snap While explosive off the snap, he will gather himself before generating his separation burst after the catch Has a tendency to skip into his cuts.
some Combine notes ...
4.51 40 yd
Maddict5 said:
Burleson is worth the texans 3rd round choice. Lloyd was not worth a first rounder. No reason for the Vikings to give him up for less the the tender price. In fact, if anything the Viking could go give us more or we will match. Texans don't have leverage to be lowering the price.
TheOgre
All Pro
He would be a great fit for us. I hope we get him. I wonder if we could trade our New Orlean's 3rd for a lower 3rd and additional pick then sign him and Minnesota would get stuck with a lower 3rd instead (assuming they didn't match the offer). I guess the downside is that if they matched the offer, we would be stuck with the lower 3rd.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Man, this would be awesome. Bureleson reminds me of Peerless Price in that I think he can excel if he is the #2 in a good system, with a very good #1 to take the pressure off. I don't know that he can be "the man". Remember, when they had Moss protecting him, this guy was a 1000 yard WR. Folks, he is easily worth one of our 3rd's - a proven #2 at this point in the draft, when it's a weak WR yr and there are no guarantee's anyway. Sorry, but give me the proven guy. If we can sign this guy as our #2 and Walter as our #3, our WR problems are solved. Mathis is our #4 speed burner, and Armstrong and Starling probably fight it out for #5, and I actually give an edge to Starling because of Special teams.
Hmmmm,
Burelson played in 12 games last season and had 30 catches. Yes he did have 1000 yards recieiving in 2004, but he had only 29 catches the season before that. Will the real Rich Burelson please stand up?
I don't think the Vikings would challenge us too much. They already have Travis Taylor, Troy Williamson, and Marcus Robinson. How much are they going to spend to keep a fourth reciever?
I for one want to find out why he was relegated to third or fourth reciever status last year. I guess if you extrapolated his stats out to 16 games you can say he would have caught 40 balls, but it seems to me that we need someone that will catch 60-70 balls opposite of AJ. If there is a good reason why he fell back then I'd say go for it, but if not I'd be really wary.
Burelson played in 12 games last season and had 30 catches. Yes he did have 1000 yards recieiving in 2004, but he had only 29 catches the season before that. Will the real Rich Burelson please stand up?
I don't think the Vikings would challenge us too much. They already have Travis Taylor, Troy Williamson, and Marcus Robinson. How much are they going to spend to keep a fourth reciever?
I for one want to find out why he was relegated to third or fourth reciever status last year. I guess if you extrapolated his stats out to 16 games you can say he would have caught 40 balls, but it seems to me that we need someone that will catch 60-70 balls opposite of AJ. If there is a good reason why he fell back then I'd say go for it, but if not I'd be really wary.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
barzilla said:
I'm not privvy enough to Vikings football. Were they just a bad offensive unit, or was Burleson the sole reason for his underwhelming performance? In and of itself, those numbers do not make a strong case for the trade, but as always and since I have not watched myself, I suspect there might be another side to the story. Anyone else have a strong idea?
We need to go after this guy if we can. He is a marginal #1 receiver and an exceptional #2. I would be willing to give up one of our #3 picks for the folllowing reasons:
1) He scored 9 touchdowns and had over 1,000 yards in 2004 (when he was #2 in Minny)
2) He is young (25/26)
3) He has an acceptable cap figure
4) He will be able to step in right away and play (as opposed to learning the ropes as a rookie)
5) The draft is very shallow this year at WR
1) He scored 9 touchdowns and had over 1,000 yards in 2004 (when he was #2 in Minny)
2) He is young (25/26)
3) He has an acceptable cap figure
4) He will be able to step in right away and play (as opposed to learning the ropes as a rookie)
5) The draft is very shallow this year at WR
I would rather go after this guy than Putzier at TE. We can draft a TE with our 1st pick in the fourth round (can anyone say David Thomas?). This is a seasoned, young receiver, perfect for taking pressure off of AJ. Plus, you know, he can actually CATCH the ball......as opposed to dropping it ala Corey Bradford
David's Busted Carr
Waterboy
chuckm said:
I tend to agree with you here. I like Burleson, and if our 3rd round pick wasn't so high I would say go for it. But I don't think I'd give up a top 3rd round pick for him. If it was our 4th I'd do it in a heartbeat, but I don't think it's possible to negotiate that.
TheTim5125
Waterboy
Burleson is a great number 2 reciever... during the season where he caught for more then 1000 yards he was opposite moss so i think it would a good if we signed him... we'll see though
El Amigo Invisible
Rookie
No more trading away draft picks! Third round? Maybe 5th round . 
El Amigo Invisible
Rookie
Dante was not hurt yet and this guy could not get more than 30 yards a game last year.
keyfro said:
We are not going to fill all of our needs this season, so I think we need to look at this as a 2 year process. If we take Burleson, that WOULD fill a huge current hole at WR. We could fill out the other positions you mentioned as follows:
1st pick 2nd round: Lineman
1st pick in 3rd round: Linebacker or Corner
1st pick in 4th round: Tight End
1st pick in 5th, 6th and 7th: Lineman/Linebacker/Corner
El Amigo Invisible
Rookie
I think we need all of our picks. Nate was great but please post his numbers from last year. Dante needed a number two reciever and he was supposed to be their "go to" guy. He has a chance of being good but we do not need to take anymore gambles on these guys (SAGE) that noone wants.
TheTim5125
Waterboy
RECEIVING
Year G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD
2003 16 9 29 455 15.7 52 2 7 1 17
2004 16 15 68 1006 14.8 68 9 14 4 50
2005 12 9 30 328 10.9 20 1 1 0 20
TOTAL 44 33 127 1789 14.1 68 12 22 5 87
Year G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD
2003 16 9 29 455 15.7 52 2 7 1 17
2004 16 15 68 1006 14.8 68 9 14 4 50
2005 12 9 30 328 10.9 20 1 1 0 20
TOTAL 44 33 127 1789 14.1 68 12 22 5 87
kcwilson
Rookie
Take a look at weekly performance by Burleson... I remember from the get-go he had hamstring issues in early part of season. Culpepper in the beginning of the season was a mess as well.
Burleson missed games 4,5,6,11, and 12. According the news...
www.rotoworld.com Nov 28, 2005: The receiver missed last week's game due to hip, knee, neck and shoulder injuries. "Burleson looks good," coach Mike Tice said. "He's had a good week. I think he's starting to come back. He's made some good plays out there. He looks to have more juice, more energy."
Hip, knee, neck, and sholder... at least his pinky toe was feeling ok. That being said, there could be injury risk but you can definitely attribute his poor performance in 2005 to injury.
I like his potential and would take him since he thrived as a #2 previously. You can't gauge anything off of Minn receivers performance last year with rookie WR getting touches at the end of a disastrous year and Culpepper being a turnover machine.
Burleson missed games 4,5,6,11, and 12. According the news...
www.rotoworld.com Nov 28, 2005: The receiver missed last week's game due to hip, knee, neck and shoulder injuries. "Burleson looks good," coach Mike Tice said. "He's had a good week. I think he's starting to come back. He's made some good plays out there. He looks to have more juice, more energy."
Hip, knee, neck, and sholder... at least his pinky toe was feeling ok. That being said, there could be injury risk but you can definitely attribute his poor performance in 2005 to injury.
I like his potential and would take him since he thrived as a #2 previously. You can't gauge anything off of Minn receivers performance last year with rookie WR getting touches at the end of a disastrous year and Culpepper being a turnover machine.
bigTEXan8
Rookie
El Amigo Invisible said:
Well Minnesota had some real issues with their entire game, not just their passing game. Culpepper couldn't throw a completion for the bulk of the time he was playing, before he got injured. Plus, in 2004, Moss was still there, leaving Burleson constantly open. That's how he got all those yards.