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Zierlein 2019 mock 1.0

Absolutely love this pick

The Texans would be so fortunate to get Little at 23. If they had to trade up to 15 to get Little I wouldn't have an issue at all.

I was watching the Inside the NFL show last night and they had Watson mic'ed up against the Tacks. Watsn was running for his life and Davenport was doing his usual ole moves.
 
Bit of a dream scenario right there.

More interesting is what to do with that scenario if Little were already taken as well.

Tough call, imo, between Risner, Cajuste, and Byron Murphy.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Bit of a dream scenario right there.

More interesting is what to do with that scenario if Little were already taken as well.

Tough call, imo, between Risner, Cajuste, and Byron Murphy.
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Believe it or not, I would go Murphy and if the 2 OT's were still on the board I would try to trade back into the 1st rd and pick Cajuste.
 
JB said:
Oliver drops all the way to 28, Baker to 29 and Murphy to 32? I don't see it
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I don't get the "lacks ideal size" comment on Oliver. Quinnen Williams was listed at 6'4" 295 lbs at Alabama. Jeffery Simmons at 6'4" 301 lbs at Mississippi State. Is that so much more ideal than Oliver's 6'3" 292 lbs? Those SEC DTs are good. No doubt. But, they had a lot of defensive talent around them. When healthy, Oliver dominated almost single-handedly. He'll be long gone by #28.
 
I don't think anyone believes Oliver is actually 6'3 292. And from everything I've read/heard he's also struggled to get to whatever weight he's really at. I believe I'd heard he's under 6'1 and came into the season less than 280.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I don't think anyone believes Oliver is actually 6'3 292. And from everything I've read/heard he's also struggled to get to whatever weight he's really at. I believe I'd heard he's under 6'1 and came into the season less than 280.
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The combine's a month away, so we'll know soon enough. I've never watched Oliver and thought "He's too small to play in the NFL." I've watched him and said "He's too good for college football."
 
Mollywhopper said:
I don't think anyone believes Oliver is actually 6'3 292. And from everything I've read/heard he's also struggled to get to whatever weight he's really at. I believe I'd heard he's under 6'1 and came into the season less than 280.
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So Oliver is about the same size as Aaron Donald coming out college...just for consideration only
 
Short on WR’s and long on edge rushers. Montez Sweat is most interesting DE to me and he has him 4th one off the board and 8th overall. Only two WR’s Metcalf #9 and Brown #19, see upside with both but also bust potential. Deebo is most complete all around, dropping to second day Lol, makes me really want to trade back.
 
Lucky said:
I don't get the "lacks ideal size" comment on Oliver. Quinnen Williams was listed at 6'4" 295 lbs at Alabama. Jeffery Simmons at 6'4" 301 lbs at Mississippi State. Is that so much more ideal than Oliver's 6'3" 292 lbs? Those SEC DTs are good. No doubt. But, they had a lot of defensive talent around them. When healthy, Oliver dominated almost single-handedly. He'll be long gone by #28.
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Regardless of size or team needs if Oliver is there at 23 you pick him and thank your lucky stars. This dude is a flat out stud.
 
steelbtexan said:
Regardless of size or team needs if Oliver is there at 23 you pick him and thank your lucky stars. This dude is a flat out stud.
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And play him as a 3/4 DE? He's pretty much a UT to me all the way. I get Gerald McCoy vibes which is not bad, but it's not scheme versatile like we'd need. Unless Greedy Williams is there, I'd take Little here.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
And play him as a 3/4 DE? He's pretty much a UT to me all the way. I get Gerald McCoy vibes which is not bad, but it's not scheme versatile like we'd need. Unless Greedy Williams is there, I'd take Little here.
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Sometimes you take the talent and figure out what to do with them. Oliver is one of those guys.

Give me Little over Williams, I see them as comparable talents that play different positions.

Williams is a tarting NFL CB as a rookie. He's not a future all pro. Little is a guy I view in the same light but with more upside than Williams.

Little reminds me of a guy like Bahktiari

Williams reminds me of Claiborne
 
steelbtexan said:
Sometimes you take the talent and figure out what to do with them. Oliver is one of those guys.

Give me Little over Williams, I see them as comparable talents that play different positions.

Williams is a tarting NFL CB as a rookie. He's not a future all pro. Little is a guy I view in the same light but with more upside than Williams.

Little reminds me of a guy like Bahktiari

Williams reminds me of Claiborne
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I wouldn't be upset with Oliver from a talent stand point, and I get what you're saying, but man our need at OT and CB are just so drastic it's hard to pass on a Little who has All-Pro potential and is a day one starter at LT vs a similar talent/upside but at UT.
 
As much as I like Oliver, I'm not sold that his game transcends to DT in the NFL. His days of playing against boys will be over and men who are just as fast, bigger and stronger will be in front of him. I think picking Oliver is just way to risky when the team has other priority needs.

If he's there, the Texans might get a solid trade offer for that 23rd pick.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
As much as I like Oliver, I'm not sold that his game transcends to DT in the NFL. His days of playing against boys will be over and men who are just as fast, bigger and stronger will be in front of him. I think picking Oliver is just way to risky when the team has other priority needs.

If he's there, the Texans might get a solid trade offer for that 23rd pick.
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Same things were said about Donald/John Randle etc.....
 
Ed Oliver has a motor that runs full speed every play. He did fine playing against the boys from Oklahoma when he was double and tripled team. Ask Baker Mayfield if he remembers Ed Oliver. But if he is there at 23, we still go offensive line.
 
Lucky said:
I don't get the "lacks ideal size" comment on Oliver. Quinnen Williams was listed at 6'4" 295 lbs at Alabama. Jeffery Simmons at 6'4" 301 lbs at Mississippi State. Is that so much more ideal than Oliver's 6'3" 292 lbs? Those SEC DTs are good. No doubt. But, they had a lot of defensive talent around them. When healthy, Oliver dominated almost single-handedly. He'll be long gone by #28.
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But as a local guy don't you think LZ is unlikely to downplay Olivers high ratings without some real basis for his evaluation ?
You know earlier some had Oliver the #1 overall so not sure how the hype got to those levels ? Be honest about it because he is somewhat undersized and played in minor league colllege competition.
Oliver might end up being surprisingly undersized, say barely 6'1" & < 280 ? That's why they have the combine and it's gonna be interesting to finally see his spec's ?
Someplace I read where LZ saw Oliver potentially as a LB in the NFL ?
 
If: CB- Mullen, RT- Risner, OT- Dillard, LT- Cajuste and DT- Oliver are on the board.....who should the Texans pick?
 
IDEXAN said:
But as a local guy don't you think LZ is unlikely to downplay Olivers high ratings without some real basis for his evaluation ?
You know earlier some had Oliver the #1 overall so not sure how the hype got to those levels ? Be honest about it because he is somewhat undersized and played in minor league colllege competition.
Oliver might end up being surprisingly undersized, say barely 6'1" & < 280 ? That's why they have the combine and it's gonna be interesting to finally see his spec's ?
Someplace I read where LZ saw Oliver potentially as a LB in the NFL ?
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Yea I saw LZ say that, and I just can't see it in the modern NFL. It wasn't even say OLB he was saying, but ILB. While I think Ed is a hell of an athlete for his size, I don't think he would be nearly good enough in space to play ILB in today's NFL
 
IDEXAN said:
But as a local guy don't you think LZ is unlikely to downplay Olivers high ratings without some real basis for his evaluation ?Be honest about it because he is somewhat undersized and played in minor league colllege competition.
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Huh? Oklahoma, Louisville, Central Florida, Temple, Texas Tech, Arizona...there's plenty of tape on Oliver dominating good competition. I don't know what condition Oliver's knee is in. But if he's good, he will destroy the combine and shame a lot of LBs.
 
IDEXAN said:
But as a local guy don't you think LZ is unlikely to downplay Olivers high ratings without some real basis for his evaluation ?
You know earlier some had Oliver the #1 overall so not sure how the hype got to those levels ? Be honest about it because he is somewhat undersized and played in minor league colllege competition.
Oliver might end up being surprisingly undersized, say barely 6'1" & < 280 ? That's why they have the combine and it's gonna be interesting to finally see his spec's ?
Someplace I read where LZ saw Oliver potentially as a LB in the NFL ?
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Im a Coog, I'm a houstonian & my ex-wife taught Ed at Westfield. I want to see the fellow coog go high in the draft....................But the kid reminds me of Amobi Okoye & i cringe every time folks say we should draft him.
 
Mr teX said:
Im a Coog, I'm a houstonian & my ex-wife taught Ed at Westfield. I want to see the fellow coog go high in the draft....................But the kid reminds me of Amobi Okoye & i cringe every time folks say we should draft him.
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Work ethic?
 
JB said:
Work ethic?
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No...just in the position that they play, how young they are coming into the league & the hype entering the league considering that both played at non-power 5 schools.....but then i guess technically Louisville was in a power 5 conference at the time Okoye came out.
 
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Mollywhopper said:
Their ages aren't really comparable.
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Oliver just turned 21 in Dec....so there's really not that much of a difference & he is on the young side.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/age-played-a-bigger-role-in-the-nfl-draft-its-about-time/.

I guess its just odd to me how Okoye was already a college grad with 4 years of college football experience when he came out...but was only 19. Oliver on the other hand only has 2 years of true college ball experience and is 2 years older.
 
Sometimes the front office becomes more infatuated with person than the player and give them pass based on potential. Just IMO that could explain Okoye pick. Oliver is much more finished product, and JJ might not be around a lot longer so could easily sign off on him :d:
 
Mollywhopper said:
19 and 21 is a huge difference upon entering professional football.
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Lol...not really dude. From a physical standpoint, both those guys were already built like men but neither's brain development is finished. n Furthermore Oliver is closer to 20 at this point & by the time the draft comes around.
 
Does anyone remember that Okoye had 4 sacks in his initial 4 games? That's a quarter of his career total. How many football players peak @ 20? Johnny Manziel? Maurice Clarett? I think Marcus Dupree peaked at 18. Okoye was just a weird deal. It looked like he had a great career in front of him, then it just flashed before our eyes.
 
Lucky said:
Huh? Oklahoma, Louisville, Central Florida, Temple, Texas Tech, Arizona...there's plenty of tape on Oliver dominating good competition. I don't know what condition Oliver's knee is in. But if he's good, he will destroy the combine and shame a lot of LBs.
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Yes in that group OK & FLA are premiere college football programs but the fact remains that U Of H was not in a power 5 conference and you might say well neither did Khalil Mack play in the P-5 so maybe Oliver will be this years Khalil Mack. I hope he is, and I hope he makes all-pro his rookie year.
 
Mr teX said:
Oliver just turned 21 in Dec....so there's really not that much of a difference & he is on the young side.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/age-played-a-bigger-role-in-the-nfl-draft-its-about-time/.

I guess its just odd to me how Okoye was already a college grad with 4 years of college football experience when he came out...but was only 19. Oliver on the other hand only has 2 years of true college ball experience and is 2 years older.
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I agree with you on most things, but comparing oKoye to Oliver = LOL.

oKoye wasn't dedicated to his craft. He only played football to get paid. He didn't work at his craft. He was the same guy 3 yrs into the league that he was as a rookie and coming into the NFL if oKoye had put in the work he would've improved alot.

Wasn't he the nephew of the Dr. that came CTE?
 
TexansFan15 said:
I’d be happy with any of the tackles.

I think Mullen will go in Rd 2
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If you had to trade up to the top of the 2nd to draft Mullen, would you do it if it cost you a 3rd rd pick? How much do you value Mullen say over Sheffield?
 
steelbtexan said:
If you had to trade up to the top of the 2nd to draft Mullen, would you do it if it cost you a 3rd rd pick? How much do you value Mullen say over Sheffield?
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Possibly. I want to see how fast he runs at the combine. We need CBs that can keep up with the speed in our division.

I admit I haven’t researched Sheffield as much, but I’ve heard he’s underrated which could mean we wouldn’t have to spend a valuable pick.

It’s also ben proven that starting CBs can be found outside the first 2 rounds.

As of right now, I think the only 3 DBs I’d trade into the top of the 2nd for would be D. Baker, N. Adderley, or B. Murphy. It’s completely wishful thinking, but crazier stuff has happened on draft day.
 
TexansFan15 said:
Possibly. I want to see how fast he runs at the combine. We need CBs that can keep up with the speed in our division.

I admit I haven’t researched Sheffield as much, but I’ve heard he’s underrated which could mean we wouldn’t have to spend a valuable pick.

It’s also ben proven that starting CBs can be found outside the first 2 rounds.

As of right now, I think the only 3 DBs I’d trade into the top of the 2nd for would be D. Baker, N. Adderley, or B. Murphy. It’s completely wishful thinking, but crazier stuff has happened on draft day.
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I love Sheffield's talent and with a good CB coach he could become what the Texans are looking for. I would trade up for him because he has untapped potential. IMHO

Check out a couple of late rd guys I like Blace Brown (Troy) is a guy I would pick in the 3rd rd based on his tape. I want to see what he runs at the combine. Tim Harris (Virginia) is a later rd guy that's really talented but has an injury history. Without it he's a 2nd/3rd rd talent. You can probably get him in the 5th or 6th rd.

Check these guys out and let me know what you think.
 
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