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There a some elite WRs but only 3 in first and one that could be there. Blackmon, Wright and Floyd are the cream and all could be gone by 26. You don't have to be 6'3" to succeed as Blackmon will show. I am concerned we will select one that could become another Jacoby. Plenty of potential though all the way to 4th round.There is not alot of good ones i was watchin espn and most of the first 6 wr in the depth chart are all big. Body WR that lack speed
And i thought wE were lookin for a speedy wr since andre is more of a route runner wr
There's speedy WR's
K/J Wright
Adams
Randle
T.J. Graham
Jordan WHite could run a pretty good 40 at combine.
There is not alot of good ones i was watchin espn and most of the first 6 wr in the depth chart are all big. Body WR that lack speed
And i thought wE were lookin for a speedy wr since andre is more of a route runner wr
Agreed. If we got him & no other WR I'd be ok but it may be a year or two before he starts. He and Wright will be two great receivers and if we got both like I mock, I will be excited.I really want to see White in a Texans uni.
He is going to be a productive 10 yr pro. If his repaired ACL's hold out.
BPA is a myth. Teams draft for need, be it immediate or a year down the road. Or they may draft a guy high to replace someone who has an expiring or expensive contract. It's rare that a team just drafts a player high regardless of roster holes.They will go BPA with #26, and that damn sure isn't gonna be a WR. WRs are reaches enough as it is without taking a "prospect" late in the first.
MIKE MAYOCK: I think Reuben Randle is going to run. I don't think there is a question about what he's going to run. I think he's going to run well. When I say a big bodied wide receiver he's listed at 6'4", 209, I believe. I think he's going to run just fine. I've got a first round grade on him.
I have Blackmon, Kendall Wright, Michael Floyd, and Reuben Randle with first round grades. I think they're the four wideouts that should go in the first round.
From my perspective, Randle should go in the second half of the first round, somewhere in that 20 to 30 range. If he comes into the combine and runs 4.38 at 208 pounds, that might change some things. He might go higher. But he's extremely well thought of. He's a guy that could fit for the 49ers depending on how this process plays out.
They will go BPA with #26, and that damn sure isn't gonna be a WR. WRs are reaches enough as it is without taking a "prospect" late in the first.
Yeah, I think anything other than Randle at 26 is a dangerous reach.
Mayock talking a lot about big guys who cannot get separation in this WR class. No burst is no draft, in my book.
Who said Rice/Nicks/Wayne/Bowe couldn't get separation coming out of college? There's a difference between quick, burst, and speed. Mayock says Jeffrey/Sanu struggle to get off the line in press ..... in college.Says Jerry Rice at # 18,Nicks,Wayne,Bowe etc....
Yeah those late 1st Wr's never work out.
Who said Rice/Nicks/Wayne/Bowe couldn't get separation coming out of college? There's a difference between quick, burst, and speed. Mayock says Jeffrey/Sanu struggle to get off the line in press ..... in college.
Torry Holt: "You have to be able to beat press coverage in the NFL. Then you learn how to beat double coverage."
No sense reaching in the first when you can get a DT -- strong draft -- and come back with one of a group of big WRs in the second. I think we need OL/DB help, too. Lets see how they come out of the combine.
My bad, sorry.I was responding to Marcus post about late 1st rd WR busts and just proving not all late 1st WR's bust. Hopefully Jefferys runs a 4.5 at the combine. That would help push Randle down to 26.
I wasn't disagreeing with you about the need to be able to beat press coverage. Or the need for a DT/OL/DB help.
We just need a good WR. Does not matter what type. We don't really bomb it down field enough to need a legitimate "deep threat". Jacoby has been classified as one of those guys and look how far that's gotten him.
Norg, let's keep draft talk in this forum until these guys are actually drafted to the team.
BPA is a myth. Teams draft for need, be it immediate or a year down the road. Or they may draft a guy high to replace someone who has an expiring or expensive contract. It's rare that a team just drafts a player high regardless of roster holes.
Having said that, we don't really know where the holes on the roster will be. Free agency occurs prior to the draft, and whom the Texans lose/gain will have an impact. WR may be the biggest need. Or guard. Or CB. And it's very possible that the Texans 1st round pick isn't an immediate starter. When's the last time that happened? 2005 with Travis Johnson is the only time a Texans 1st round pick wasn't a opening day starter.
Actually, I think the team needs two WRs out of this draft. A big, WCO type receiver that can run the slants and curls, and be a red zone target. And a speedy slot WR, who can double as a returner. The draft is deep in WCO type WRs, so 2nd round would make sense. A slot guy could be found in the 4th or 5th.
National Football Post-- Breaking down the tiers of wide out prospects
Tier 1
Justin Blackmon: Oklahoma State (6-1, 215)
The lack of play speed will limit him at bit. Nevertheless, he's got the skill set to line-up all over an NFL offense and make plays on all levels of the field.
Tier 2
Michael Floyd: Notre Dame (6-3, 224)
Looked more sudden, explosive and showcased the ability to separate quickly as a senior. Is one of the draft's top receiving prospects.
Kendall Wright: Baylor (5-10, 190)
In the same mold as a number of Pittsburgh Steelers receivers (Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders) and can be effective both inside and out making plays down the field at the next level.
Tier 3
Stephen Hill: Georgia Tech (6-5, 206)
Has a unique skill set, can pluck off his frame, track the football and is the next big time talent from the Georgia Tech program. Is going to need some time to develop, but can come in and track football vertically early on. Has a lot of upside to his game and skill set says he's an NFL starter.
Mohamed Sanu: Rutgers (6-2, 215)
Physically reminds me some of Hakeem Nicks. Isn't as NFL ready, but can go get the football, breakdown and separate on all levels of the field. Looks like a future NFL starter who might need some time, but the talent is most definitely there.
Tier 4
Devon Wylie: Fresno State (5-9, 185)
Is limited a bit by his size, but is the kind of cat-quick slot guy with great ball skills who can make a living in the NFL. The major positive with him is that he also has very good speed as well.
Joe Adams: Arkansas (5-11, 190)
An explosive athlete who can go get the football down the field and has some savvy to his game setting up routes. However, is inconsistent catching the football and as a route runner. Nevertheless, does enough well to make a roster and see early playing time inside and outside. An ideal fit for Philadelphia running the deep crossers.
Jarius Wright: Arkansas (5-10, 180)
A coordinated athlete who is sharp as a route runner, tough over the middle and knows how to get open vs. man and zone. Will get re-routed vs. press at times and looks more like an inside player at the next level, but has the skill set to make a roster and carve out a big niche early.
Tier 5
Marvin Jones: California (6-3, 202)
Possesses good size, good body control and hand eye coordination, and for his size is a pretty fluid athlete as well. Isn't a dynamic athlete, but should be able to find a way to make and earn playing time on an NFL roster.
Rueben Randle: Louisiana State (6-4, 208)
Possesses that sneaky strider speed down the field and has some savvy to his game. However, lacks great burst out of his breaks and isn't going to be effective running sharply breaking routes. Looks like a potential NFL starter only.
Nick Toon: Wisconsin (6-3, 220)
I like his size, short area quickness and ability to adjust to the football. Isn't a guy who is going to create consistently down the field, but knows how to gain enough separation, pluck and create after the catch. Looks like a guy who can play on the outside as a legit number two wide out running the inward breaking routes with some time, but isn't ever going to be a dynamic playmaker.
Alshon Jeffery: South Carolina (6-4, 229)
Jeffery looks like a more dynamic version of Seahawks wide out Mike Williams who will be limited in the routes he can run (fade, slant, post, corner) at the next level. But can still be successful as the "Z" receiver where he will be put in motion and used a lot in two man routes with the tight end running vertical and adjusting to the throw. However, he's never going to be overly productive due to his inability to separate consistently of his breaks.
Marvin McNutt: Iowa (6-4, 215)
A tall, long armed receiver who can win off the line and use his big frame to box and go get the football. A big target who looks capable of fighting for a starting role now at the next level. However, is never going to be a guy who separates a ton in any area of the game.
not picking you you Aussie, since there are plenty here that agree with you but I think you are overrating the WR's in this class. I don't see this as a strong class and its a bad year to need a WR if you ask me.Toon, McNutt, Randle and FLoyd have been underrated heavily.
Floyd should be in tier 1
Toon and McNutt in tier 3
Randle tier 3/4
Jeffery should be tier 4
not picking you you Aussie, since there are plenty here that agree with you but I think you are overrating the WR's in this class. I don't see this as a strong class and its a bad year to need a WR if you ask me.
Dane Brugler ‏ @dpbrugler
Texans coaches also spent a considerable amount of time with WR K. Wright today. Would need to trade up, but don't rule it out #NFLDraft
Rueben Randle apparently run in the 4.3s for his pro day today.
By all accounts it was an impressive work out.
Does this change anyones opinion?
His he considered a 1st rounder now?
I rate him as a high 2nd.
I think this class has some merit as far as how many mid range prospects there are, but I'd feel better about taking a guy in the 3rd round than in the 1st round in this draft. I'm just not feeling the top of this draft class.I don't think its a great class. (i did during the season though)
but not comparing to other positions thats how i see the tiers though
Doesn't change my opinion of him. Nor Bah's in the TT mock draft.
With the 26th pick in the NFL draft the Houston Texans select Rueben Randle Lousiana St University. This is a phrase I hope to hear come draft day.
I think this class has some merit as far as how many mid range prospects there are, but I'd feel better about taking a guy in the 3rd round than in the 1st round in this draft. I'm just not feeling the top of this draft class.
I don't want to speak for Vinny. But, I think Floyd is a little stiff. Reminds me some of David Boston. Boston was a good WR with the Cards, then "overtrained". Floyd makes sense running the slants in the WCO. But, I don't think he has the acceleration to become a deep threat, despite his timed speed.how do you rate the top 2 talents then, floyd and blackmon
Rueben Randle apparently run in the 4.3s for his pro day today.
By all accounts it was an impressive work out.
Does this change anyones opinion?
His he considered a 1st rounder now?
I rate him as a high 2nd.
how do you rate the top 2 talents then, floyd and blackmon
I'm hearing/seeing more & more a consensus that the top of 2012 WR class is a step down from 2011. Basically, WRs "should" be bunched into 2nd round -- not that they will be.
Anyone read this story yet? If it's been posted already, my bad
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...-wideout-works-his-way-into-pro-day-sensation
Cool story...
Those numbers are awesome...
I have not heard of him let alone seen him play...
I wonder if he has real football skills?
Anyone read this story yet? If it's been posted already, my bad
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...-wideout-works-his-way-into-pro-day-sensation
More red flags re:Jeffrey
South Carolina wide receiver Alshon Jeffrey is like the rich man's version of Vontaze Burfict. Jeffrey is the well-known college star that once appeared destined for the top of the first round that doesn't look as strong under the harsh glare of the pre-draft spotlight.
While Burfict could fall all the way out of the draft, Jeffrey figures only to drop to round two or three. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel explains why:
"Known for sense of entitlement, poor work habits. His production took a nosedive last year (1,517 yards to 762). Weight fluctuates."
That weight has become a hot topic. The Jets are reportedly interested in Jeffrey, but one scout told ESPNNewYork that Jeffrey had a "gut" during the season. The same scout said Jeffrey loves to eat. Jeffrey's weight ballooned to 240 during the season before falling to 216 for the Combine.
Big-bodied receivers that struggle to separate often struggle at the NFL level. Jeffrey relied on his ability to overpower college defenders, but that won't work at the next level.
Jeffrey sounds a lot like Seahawks receiver Mike Williams coming out of USC. The difference: There is no Matt Millen to take him in the top ten.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82841183/article/scout-warns-of-wr-jeffreys-weight-problems
That's a shame. So much talent and he may piss it away.