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Will there be a 2006 Supplemental Draft, and will the Texans make a pick?

YoungTexanFan said:
Brooks is a MLB, not a OLB. Ryans is more of an OLB. It would look like this:

Greenwood, Brooks, Ryans
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Ryans and Greenwood are both more of WLBs, I'd prefer to keep Shantee Orr in there at SLB. I also don't like the idea of picking up a high risk LB unless we get him really cheap, but I think Cowart/Wong/Rainer are perfectly capable of being our MLB. I'd much rather have a more experienced player like them being the QB of our defense than a rookie that was kicked out of college.
 
MorKnolle said:
Ryans and Greenwood are both more of WLBs, I'd prefer to keep Shantee Orr in there at SLB. I also don't like the idea of picking up a high risk LB unless we get him really cheap, but I think Cowart/Wong/Rainer are perfectly capable of being our MLB. I'd much rather have a more experienced player like them being the QB of our defense than a rookie that was kicked out of college.
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Cowart's getting old and it's showing with his injury already, Wong is likely a June 1st cut with his injury and Ranier is not starter material.
 
TexanFan881 said:
Cowart's getting old and it's showing with his injury already, Wong is likely a June 1st cut with his injury and Ranier is not starter material.
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It's June 2 and Wong is still here, so I don't think we can call him a June 1 cut anymore. I also don't know if I see us cutting him. He is still one of our better LBs, and while he is fairly expensive we aren't in dire need of freeing up cap space (I think we actually lose cap space by cutting him anyways). Wali Rainer has played MLB with the first team thru all three weeks of OTAs so far and sounds like he has held his own quite nicely, and we don't really know what to expect from Cowart yet as he hasn't been able to practice, but he is supposed to be better than Rainer. I personally would not stick a rookie at MLB in this defense as that is the most important person on the field for them and they need to be smart, experienced, and quick thinking, and Brooks hasn't displayed much of any of that yet. I haven't seen a whole lot of him in college, but it seems like he is shaping up to be another LaVar Arrington that is going to drastically underachieve on his potential and athletic abilities, and I would not give up anything above a 4th rounder for him and I don't see the Texans doing it either.
 
I usually prefer to read what you guys are saying than contribute redundant thoughts and stuff you guys already know... but I didn't see this posted and I think it adds something. It's from a pay site, so I can't put the link...

The comments about how the draft is ordered conflict with an earlier post here from NFL.com... So while this might be wrong, it's from a usually very reliable writer.

Also, it says he ran a 4.9 40 (though I don't know where he ran it), and it lists him at 265.

My 2 cents on his character problems: It simply looks like the guy likes to smoke a bit too much. So while that might show some immaturity, if there's not some news that I'm missing, it's not near the Marcus Vick level of (allegedly) giving the bird to the fans while on the field, or pulling a gun in a fast food restaurant. The downside is that if it continued in the NFL it would just as easily keep him off the field (possible failed test).

Cheers.

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The early word on Brooks is he is expected to be a second-round pick in the July 13 supplemental draft. He would fit in best as an outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme but is gifted enough to play defensive end in a 4-3. The question is which team will want to take a chance on his character. Brooks is not likely to get a glowing recommendation from the people at Virginia, his former school.



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Brooks has applied for, and been accepted, to be part of the NFL’s supplemental draft to be held July 13. Draft order will be determined by a weighted system divided into three groupings:
1) Teams with six or fewer wins last season;
2) Non-playoff teams with more than six wins;
3) The 12 playoff teams.
Teams will submit “bids” for Brooks from their 2007 draft allotment. A team can bid any of its picks, first to seventh round, assuming it hasn’t traded away that pick. The team that bids the highest pick will be awarded Brooks and will forfeit that pick in the 2007 draft. Thirty-two players have been taken in the past 26 Supplemental Drafts.

Brooks is tentatively scheduled to hold a workout for pro scouts at noon on June 22 at Virginia’s campus. He played linebacker in college but projects as a Julius Peppers-type defensive end.

Brooks underwent knee surgery in March 2005, and his slow recovery kept him out of the first three games of last season. He returned for the fourth game but twisted his ankle and was held out of the next game. Brooks played in the next five games but did not participate in Virginia's season finale or the Music City Bowl. He played in just six games last season and finished with just 27 tackles -- tied for 12th on the team.

Brooks has a checkered past, though. He was charged with possession of marijuana in May 2003 but pleaded no contest and the charges were dismissed January 2004.

Brooks -- once thought to be a high first-round prospect -- had announced that he would return to school for his senior season but was kicked off the team by coach Al Groh for failing a drug test. It is unclear what drug Brooks tested positive for recently.
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MorKnolle said:
It's June 2 and Wong is still here, so I don't think we can call him a June 1 cut anymore. I also don't know if I see us cutting him. He is still one of our better LBs, and while he is fairly expensive we aren't in dire need of freeing up cap space (I think we actually lose cap space by cutting him anyways). Wali Rainer has played MLB with the first team thru all three weeks of OTAs so far and sounds like he has held his own quite nicely, and we don't really know what to expect from Cowart yet as he hasn't been able to practice, but he is supposed to be better than Rainer. I personally would not stick a rookie at MLB in this defense as that is the most important person on the field for them and they need to be smart, experienced, and quick thinking, and Brooks hasn't displayed much of any of that yet. I haven't seen a whole lot of him in college, but it seems like he is shaping up to be another LaVar Arrington that is going to drastically underachieve on his potential and athletic abilities, and I would not give up anything above a 4th rounder for him and I don't see the Texans doing it either.
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I don't think just because Wong wasn't cut on the date of June 1st doesn't mean he won't be cut. June 1st cuts can happen after June 1st is passed and two can happen before June 1st.
 
I read up on his profile and it said that S.F. was going to have him come out and do some private workouts. It also said that he was weighing about 268 lbs, just 8 lbs from his playing weight in college. Lastly, the update statred he was expecting to run a 4.5 or something in that range. If I knew how to provide the link I would.
 
Trap_Star said:
I would'nt mind using a 2nd rd pick on this guy. Had he stayed in school, he'd probably be top 15 pick. He needs to grow up and get his act together.:twocents:
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Yeah let me say one thing if Texans dont get Brooks i they should get Jason Berryman. Trust me i played high school football with this kid and he is also from houston as well. He's a quaterback worst nightmare. Im not saying because i know him. Im saying he got that raw talent that football instinct to make a play. Yeah he had an anger management problem. I remember when he got fired from his job at whataburger. He flipped over a dumpster. I mean the big ones, the type they need at truck to lift. That was our Junior year headed to our senior year of high school. Now with that type of strength what do you think he can do to someone trying to block him. Think about it
Ryan Greenwood and Berryman as our linebackers.
 
from the link


There were 17 teams at his workout, including John Dorsey (GB), Scott McCloughan (SF) and Kent McCloughan (Scott's father) from the Raiders. That's a large contingent. He worked out indoors on what was considered a slow track. Dorsey conducted the drills, which lasted 45 minutes, and Berryman did a good job.

LB Berryman (6-0¾, 235) was clocked at 4.67 in the 40 (1.61 after 10; 2.71 after 20), 4.39 in the short shuttle, and 7.33 in the three-cone drill. He also had a 9-foot-11 broad jump, a 32-inch vertical jump and 17 lifts.
Update on Brooks, 6/7
Brooks is scheduled to hold a workout for pro scouts at noon on June 22 at the University of Virginia. Cavaliers head coach Al Groh, along with Brooks' position coach and trainer, will be on hand to talk to the NFL personnel guys before the workout.

Brooks has been training in Atlanta with Chip Smith. As of June 7, his weight was 264 -- he has a target weight of 265 for the workout -- and ran a 4.52 in the 40-yard dash, according to his agent. Brooks, who played linebacker in college but might project as a Julius Peppers-type defensive end in the pros, missed six games with a right knee injury last year. He will visit Dr. James Andrews on June 12 for the knee to be examined and that report will be made available to all NFL teams.

Brooks' father, Perry Brooks, was a defensive tackle whom New England drafted in Round 7 in 1976. He never played for New England but played 92 games for Washington.

# Ahmad Brooks, LB, Virginia: A national defensive player of the year coming out of high school, Brooks had an outstanding 2004 season for the Cavaliers in 2004, but got hurt last year.

# Jason Berryman, DE, Iowa State: At about 240 pounds, he's probably a linebacker in a 3-4 scheme.

# David Dixon, LB: Dixon is from Galveston, Texas, and last played at Hutchinson Community College in Kansas in 2004.

# Ahmad Hall, FB, Texas: Hall served in the Marines and wasn't eligible for the regular draft. He worked out at Texas' Pro Day on March 22 and was measured at 5-10¾, 232 pounds. He ran his 40s in 4.53 and 4.55 and also had a 35-inch vertical jump, 10-foot-9 long jump, 4.20 short shuttle, 7.21 three-cone drill and 24 bench presses.
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rmartin65 said:
Thats what I said when I started learning about him. His pro day was scheduled for today I believe.
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It is today in Texas of all places :) :yahoo: I like this kid too and I'd rather get him than Brooks because Brooks would cost us a higher draft pick.
 
TexanFan881 said:
It is today in Texas of all places :) :yahoo: I like this kid too and I'd rather get him than Brooks because Brooks would cost us a higher draft pick.
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Cool. Does anybodya have his results?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Looks like he didn't have that good of a showing...but i still would like the texans to consider him...he shouldn't cost much:)
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Well im not impressed with his showing in his proday workout and if the texans were to pick in the supplemental draft, they should pick berryman. He a hometown guy in which i do believe if he didnt have character issues he would have been a late 1st round pick or early second round pick. He had an very good workout which nfl scouts were impressed with him and plus i know him personally we were high school teammates. I trust me this guy can play and he could even start for the texans.
 
Dion2007 said:
Well im not impressed with his showing in his proday workout and if the texans were to pick in the supplemental draft, they should pick berryman. He a hometown guy in which i do believe if he didnt have character issues he would have been a late 1st round pick or early second round pick. He had an very good workout which nfl scouts were impressed with him and plus i know him personally we were high school teammates. I trust me this guy can play and he could even start for the texans.
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Isn't he a DE ?
 
Dion2007 said:
Well im not impressed with his showing in his proday workout and if the texans were to pick in the supplemental draft, they should pick berryman. He a hometown guy in which i do believe if he didnt have character issues he would have been a late 1st round pick or early second round pick. He had an very good workout which nfl scouts were impressed with him and plus i know him personally we were high school teammates. I trust me this guy can play and he could even start for the texans.
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3 arrests in 3 years does not do it for me.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I think we are pretty much set on the d-line...
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Well he played linebacker in high school and was a very good pass rusher he registered 31 sacks in his years in high school. College they put him at rush end because he is so good at rushing the passer.
 
rmartin65 said:
3 arrests in 3 years does not do it for me.
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He just made some dumb mistakes but people do learn which he did learn from that but his 3rd arrest was really not that big of a deal. He just was at a club underage and i know many of folks done that. I just didnt feel as if that should have not caused him to be kicked out of Iowa state.
 
mexican_texan said:
Ahmad Brooks nor Berryman will be drafted by the Texans, the FO has shown that character is very important to them.
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Are you saying that character issues are important to the texans. If so i dont think it that big of a deal to them. Look at Travis Johnson he was there number 1 over all pick last year. he was charged with Sexual Assault but the cases were dropped. Pretty much i just want my friend to join the texans cuz if he do i know he make the team and so i can have a reason to go to the game and be back a texan fan.
 
I think it's unlikely we draft anyone in the supplemental draft...theres a 10% chance that we end up with either Brooks, Berryman, or Dixon. I think we're set, and the Texans won't get anyone here, character issues or not.
 
Dion2007 said:
He just made some dumb mistakes but people do learn which he did learn from that but his 3rd arrest was really not that big of a deal. He just was at a club underage and i know many of folks done that. I just didnt feel as if that should have not caused him to be kicked out of Iowa state.
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Some of those were very dumb. He is a good player. But stealing 4 dollars and a cell phone? He had/has great potential to do stuff in this league and he wastes it.
 
SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT NOTES


Ex-Texas fullback Ahmard Hall worked out in front of scouts from the Packers and Tennessee Titans inside the Longhorns' practice bubble on Thursday. Hall, who had previously impressed scouts at the school's pro day in late March, decided to stick with those results and not risk possible injury, but he did catch passes after measuring in at 5-10 and 236 pounds.

Former Delaware wide receiver David Boler, who was deemed to be a free agent by the NFL's player personnel department after the NCAA ruled against his request for an extra year of eligibility, has been receiving interest from a handful of teams, including the Arizona Cardinals. Boler hopes to set up a workout date over the next few weeks.

Northern Illinois linebacker Javan Lee, who learned this week that he will not be given a sixth year of eligibility from the NCAA, planned to contact the NFL's player personnel office to inquire about becoming a supplemental draft prospect or a free agent. Lee could also explore options to attend a NAIA program, since NAIA schools abide by different rules to judge semesters used by student/athletes. A defensive back turned outside linebacker, Lee is roughly 6-foot-2 and 222 pounds with good range. He recorded over 100 tackles before missing what would have been his senior campaign due to hernia surgery. Lee has been estimated to run the 40 in the 4.6-second range.

Ex-Minnesota running back Gary Russell must wait until at least January 2007 in order to make himself eligible for the NFL. Russell, who isn't enrolled at the school after attending a local-area community college to work on his grades earlier this spring, would not qualify for the supplemental draft since he is not yet three years removed from his high school graduation. Russell's father, Gary Sr., has noted to several sources that his son will attempt to transfer to a lower level of college football, but that would have to be a NAIA program since Division I-AA, Division II and Division III schools all abide by the same academic eligibility rules as Division I-A schools (i.e., a student/athlete deemed ineligible cannot participate at any other NCAA level program).


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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...ubYF?slug=jm-brooks062406&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
 
TexanFan881 said:
I think it's unlikely we draft anyone in the supplemental draft...theres a 10% chance that we end up with either Brooks, Berryman, or Dixon. I think we're set, and the Texans won't get anyone here, character issues or not.
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I tend to agree with you. Our years of reaching in the supplemental draft are over and I don't see anyone in here that we're going to make a lot of effort to get. The team has done a lot in one off-season and I don't think anyone there has any illusions about turning the team around in one year. I don't think they feel the need to go looking in here unless someone just jumps out at them. I don't see that guy in here.
 
Good summary update to the Supplemental Draft entrees (from Great Blue North).......sort of like the "Dirty Dozen"...Is the TALENT really there?....... can you really TRUST them???:


The NFL will be holding its annual summer supplemental draft on Thursday later this week. Its been acknowledged for a while that former star Virginia LB Ahmad Brooks, Iowa State DE Jason Berryman and junior college LB David Dixon had applied for entry to this week’s draft, however, long-time NFL draft guru Gil Brandt is reporting over at NFL.com that there are actually 7 players entered in this week’s special player lottery. Joining the original three are two former Texas Longhorns, FB Ahmard Hall and DT Marco Martin, along with UConn DT Craig Berry and North Carolina State WR Richard Washington. Former Cavalier Brooks, though, is the prize in this week’s supplemental draft. Indeed, at this time last year, Brooks was being talked about as a potential top 5-10 pick at the 2006 draft if he were to leave school early. Brooks, though, suffered through an injury-plagued 2005 season and then was booted from the team this winter for repeated violations of team rules. Nobody has said anything publicly, but there have been rumors that Brooks tested positive for marijuana on a number of occasions. Brooks reportedly had also ballooned up to close to 290 pounds this winter, but was reportedly down to around 260 when he worked for NFL teams last month and intends to play in the 255 range this fall. Despite the myriad of red flags, the very athletic Brooks- he has actually run kickoffs back for the Cavaliers on occasion – has attracted plenty of attention from pro teams with San Francisco and Miami reportedly the most intrigued. Brooks, though, has also recently interviewed with a number of other teams including Cleveland, Cincinnati, Green Bay and the Giants. As such, there is speculation that Brooks could go as early as the second round of this week’s draft. Unlike the regular NFL draft, the selection order for the supplemental draft is determined by a weighted lottery. Teams are grouped into three groups: teams that won less than 6 games in 2005; other non-playoff teams; and the playoff teams. The order within each group is then determined by a weighted lottery with teams with the worst records having the best chance of having the first pick in each group. The draft is then conducted by teams interested in a player indicating which round they would take that player. The player is awarded to the team indicating the highest pick in the highest round. That team then forfeits its pick in that round at the 2007 draft. There should also be more than passing interest in several of the other players at this year’s supplemental draft. ISU’s Berryman, for example, is a potentially explosive tweener edge rusher; the 6-1, 235-pound Berryman, who 7.5 sacks last fall, also leads the league in off-field troubles; indeed, he spent a year in jail a couple of seasons ago. For his part, LB David Dixon is a very good athlete with sub-4.5 speed, but he never played D1 football because of academic limitations. Meanwhile, UConn’s Berry, at 6-5, 325, has NFL size, although he lacks the athleticism to figure as a more than a RT prospect; while Texas FB Ahmard Hall is a potentially useful lead blocker, although he’s not overly big at just 5-11, 235. On the other hand, DT Martin, the other former Longhorn in this week’s draft, has all the tool’s that NFL teams are looking for in a stud DT including size (6-3, 300) and 4.7 speed, but the one-time star recruit never played much at Texas. Same for NC State WR Washington who isn’t very big (5-10, 170) or fast.
 
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