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Why all the doom and gloom?

Wolf said:
why would we want TO? I personally feel that with the right system AJ could be up there with TO as far as a threat on the field without the attitude.
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AJ is not even close to being in TO's league right now. TO's off the field behavior is not the same as his on the field behavior. He's a player and goes all out to win and plays through injuries. He gives it his all on the field. His hands and ability to get the ball by far exceed AJ's at the present time. AJ is probably always going to be suspect because of his hands.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
AJ is not even close to being in TO's league right now. TO's off the field behavior is not the same as his on the field behavior. He's a player and goes all out to win and plays through injuries. He gives it his all on the field. His hands and ability to get the ball by far exceed AJ's at the present time. AJ is probably always going to be suspect because of his hands.
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TO had the same issues with his hands early on in his career and played next to the greatest WR to ever play the game. AJ hasn't exactly been put in the best system to succeed, with all that said AJ has still put up comparable numbers in his first 3 years that TO did. Given their Age and attitude I'll take AJ over TO any day of the week.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
AJ is not even close to being in TO's league right now. TO's off the field behavior is not the same as his on the field behavior. He's a player and goes all out to win and plays through injuries. He gives it his all on the field. His hands and ability to get the ball by far exceed AJ's at the present time. AJ is probably always going to be suspect because of his hands.
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I agree with that at this point in their career.. what I should have added was I felt that AJ hopefully will blossom under Kubiak's system and become the next T.O.

T.o stats first few years

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=1056

AJ's stats
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=4461

granted, Rice was still there. yet I hope AJ career can continue to improve.
 
Carr Bomb said:
TO had the same issues with his hands early on in his career and played next to the greates WR to ever play the game. AJ hasn't exactly been put in the best system to succeed. Given their Age and attitude I'll take AJ over TO any day of the week.
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TO has always had the ability to go get the ball and get open despite coverage. AJ has yet to show that. I will not disagree with you with respect to the coaching and what all the players on our team have gone through. However, just as people question Carr, I question AJ as a true #1 receiver. Is AJ good, heck yes. However, I still question him as a go to guy. I will grant, however, in the previous system it was hard for anyone to show his true abilities. I simply think if we had acquired TO that AJ would have had a field day. AJ needs to get some confidence, run his routes better, and concentrate more. Once he gets the ball he is a beast.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
TO has always had the ability to go get the ball and get open despite coverage. AJ has yet to show that. I will not disagree with you with respect to the coaching and what all the players on our team have gone through. However, just as people question Carr, I question AJ as a true #1 receiver. Is AJ good, heck yes. However, I still question him as a go to guy. I will grant, however, in the previous system it was hard for anyone to show his true abilities. I simply think if we had acquired TO that AJ would have had a field day. AJ needs to get some confidence, run his routes better, and concentrate more. Once he gets the ball he is a beast.
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Thats where I think Kubiak comes in, Rod Smith has credited all his success in the league to Kubiak and I think one of Kubiak's main goals will be to get the ball into Johnson's hands.
 
AJ was at his best when we got him the ball in slants and worked from there.. last season (someone can correct me if I am wrong here) seemed like the receiveres were running routes where we continually came back to the ball due to the over the top doubleteaming.. but I could be wrong and maybe it those types of passes that I only noticed on gameday
 
Carr Bomb said:
Thats where I think Kubiak comes in, Rod Smith has credited all his success in the league to Kubiak and I think one of Kubiak's main goals will be to get the ball into Johnson's hands.
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i sure hope so, that jusy wouldnt be smart if he didnt.:ok:
 
Carr Bomb said:
Thats where I think Kubiak comes in, Rod Smith has credited all his success in the league to Kubiak and I think one of Kubiak's main goals will be to get the ball into Johnson's hands.
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If AJ can get the ball in his hands and retain it, then yes the other team has a problem. A problem all Texans fans would love to see. I do like what we are doing with the receivers. My only question with respect to the receivers is the age of the coach and his experience. I think we will have a lot more talent at that position this year. I like the new receiver from Cincy. I think he is a good addition. I'm hoping Mathis becomes a factor this year. He is a scary fast.
 
Teaxs Fans I need your help. I am so depressed about the moves we are making and have made in the past. I feel a really big **** storm coming and I think it is going to get worse before it gets better. I have faith in Kubes but the same old stuff is going on like it did when Capers was around. I need some cheering up. I do not think I will be watching football this year if we continue to draft people like Babin,Weigert,Ragone and TJ. HELP ME !!!!:crying:
 
expwrlifter said:
but it will sure feel good to see how the FO made another flop with DC....:yahoo: .
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I certainly understand people having the opinion DC won't succeed, but this is a pitiful statement. So you will feel better if DC has another bad year than if he has a great year? You do realize that as DC goes next year, so do the Texans?
 
Ibar_Harry said:
If AJ can get the ball in his hands and retain it, then yes the other team has a problem. A problem all Texans fans would love to see. I do like what we are doing with the receivers. My only question with respect to the receivers is the age of the coach and his experience. I think we will have a lot more talent at that position this year. I like the new receiver from Cincy. I think he is a good addition. I'm hoping Mathis becomes a factor this year. He is a scary fast.
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I share the same questions about little shanny, hopefully Kubes helps out in that department. I would be alot more comfortable if we landed Nate.
 
infantrycak said:
I certainly understand people having the opinion DC won't succeed, but this is a pitiful statement. So you will feel better if DC has another bad year than if he has a great year? You do realize that as DC goes next year, so do the Texans?
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I don't think he cares, I think he already quit the Texans and moved on to the cowboys, he should just move on to their MB also.
 
El Amigo Invisible said:
Teaxs Fans I need your help. I am so depressed about the moves we are making and have made in the past. I feel a really big **** storm coming and I think it is going to get worse before it gets better. I have faith in Kubes but the same old stuff is going on like it did when Capers was around. I need some cheering up. I do not think I will be watching football this year if we continue to draft people like Babin,Weigert,Ragone and TJ. HELP ME !!!!:crying:
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ok well its no longer capers running the show, and so far kubiak and C.C have done a pretty good job in trying to bring in some solid nfl starters. i think things for the texans will only get better this year i suspect them to win only between 5-7 games this season, but its a new system and in a few years i feel we'll be a play-off team. did that help u any ?
 
thunderkyss said:
I was actually more interested in the Texans ranking in 2003, 2004 & 2005....
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Those are cited above. You can find a link to each of those pages on the original page I provided.

I'd also like to figure out why he had a better year in 2004, despite being sacked 49 times in 16 games(3 sacks per game).
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IMO at the beginning of 2004 they were taking more shots down field, being more creative using AJ (dragging him behind the LB's, etc.) and perhaps most importantly mixing in plays to the other WR's particularly Gaffney and Armstrong to the tune in several games of 4-6 catches for one the other or both. After the Indy game on 11/14 it was like they pulled in the reins and decided to ride DD into the ground and have a barely credible passing game. Look at the marked drop off for:

Gaffney

Armstrong

Yes some of the defenses they started playing were better, but not all of them and not to the degree of the drop off. JMO but Capers and Co. decided to make a change in the O then in the offseason went even further in the Pendry direction and we had last season. That is by no means saying Carr doesn't bear a lot of responsibility along with all of the rest of the O as well, just that coaching decisions made a difference as well.
 
infantrycak said:
I certainly understand people having the opinion DC won't succeed, but this is a pitiful statement. So you will feel better if DC has another bad year than if he has a great year? You do realize that as DC goes next year, so do the Texans?
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he's one player..... this is a team..... just because David has a bad year, doesn't mean we'll be 2-14 or somewhere therabouts....
 
infantrycak said:
Those are cited above. You can find a link to each of those pages on the original page I provided.



IMO at the beginning of 2004 they were taking more shots down field, being more creative using AJ (dragging him behind the LB's, etc.) and perhaps most importantly mixing in plays to the other WR's particularly Gaffney and Armstrong to the tune in several games of 4-6 catches for one the other or both. After the Indy game on 11/14 it was like they pulled in the reins and decided to ride DD into the ground and have a barely credible passing game. Look at the marked drop off for:

Gaffney

Armstrong

Yes some of the defenses they started playing were better, but not all of them and not to the degree of the drop off. JMO but Capers and Co. decided to make a change in the O then in the offseason went even further in the Pendry direction and we had last season. That is by no means saying Carr doesn't bear a lot of responsibility along with all of the rest of the O as well, just that coaching decisions made a difference as well.
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Yeah, I saw all that you posted, and visited that link....... I may have to go back in a few days as there was a lot to absorb..... still looks like sacks is the biggest stat used to judge the offensive line. I know time in the pocket, or time before the pass/sack isn't an official stat, but I think it would be more useful.

The rest of you post is a nice summary, but there had to be more to it. ther just has to be.
 
thunderkyss said:
he's one player..... this is a team..... just because David has a bad year, doesn't mean we'll be 2-14 or somewhere therabouts....
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Do you really want to join in on this one? You're going to be happier if Carr fails than if he has a good year? You have said you feel like running down Carr to hype the VY bandwagon, but c'mon--that is over the edge of reasonability.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
AJ is not even close to being in TO's league right now. TO's off the field behavior is not the same as his on the field behavior. He's a player and goes all out to win and plays through injuries. He gives it his all on the field. His hands and ability to get the ball by far exceed AJ's at the present time. AJ is probably always going to be suspect because of his hands.
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You are so right. Look what he did coming back for the Super Bowl after the injury he had!:ok:
It just made me sick when Dallas signed him. At least we olay Dallas there and he can't run out to the middle of the field on our Logo.

Bobby 119C
 
infantrycak said:
You do realize that as DC goes next year, so do the Texans?
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I might be wrong, in thinking you were amoung those who argued Vince is just one man, and this is a team sport....... All the same, I thought it appropriate to emphasize this point, you made........ someone more respected than I.


But no, I'm rooting for David to go to the ProBowl.
 
thunderkyss said:
I might be wrong, in thinking you were amoung those who argued Vince is just one man, and this is a team sport.......
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Don't recall every arguing VY is just one man (so are Reggie Bush and Mario Williams), but football is a team sport and every individual makes a contribution. No doubt improved play by Carr could have resulted in a few more wins last year, as could better hands by Bradford, Gaffney looking back for a pass and a D that didn't tote a red carpet around the field for the other team to roll into the end-zone on. No doubt without VY Texas would not have had their perfect season, but without a fantastic D or a top 2 OL it wouldn't have happened either.

In any event, good to see you will be happier with Carr succeeding than failing.
 
Personally, i would love to see the texans make the playoffs this year. May or may not happen, but i am going into this season with a diff. attitude. I am looking at this year as a blue print year. I dont want to lose 16 games obviously, but i will give Kubiak the time this year to draft and sub players who he thinks will work. If they don't work out, going into the following year he should be able to get exactly what he needs. On a side note: "but its sad to log on here and check things out, and EVERY thread is just bashing the TEXANS. Maybe its just a bunch of 15-17 year olds on spring break, with too much time on there hands." Get a clue that is too funny. I have told my wife a couple times that alot of people on this website act like a bunch of 13 year old girls! :crying:
 
DC, be it his fault or not, gave us lots to boo about last year.

But even if he turns out to only be average, teams can succeed with average QB's.

Yes, I am excited about Kubiak.

Why the doom and gloom? The moves so far by the front office haven't given me anything to be excited about.

Maybe after the draft I'll have an entirely different view. But right now, I'm not seeing us go in a vertical direction, only horizontal changes.
 
It's not like the team was a true 2-14 team. They had a bunch of close losses towards the end of the season, losses that could've easily been wins if the ball had bounced the other way. Yes, I know that the record is the record, which is great because it landed the #1 pick in a top heavy draft, but I think it clouds the perspective.
 
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