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Who would you rather have at this point? Simpson or Daniels?
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Reddevil63
Veteran
Why does this even matter? We have Daniels, not Simpson. I would rather have Portis over Chester Pitts and Derrick Johnson over TJ but there really isnt any point to what ifs.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Ko Simpson is an upgrade over who? Micheal Stone?
281
Veteran
95% of what's posted on this forum are "what ifs"... i thought you'd be used to it by now
Texans86
Rookie
Where's Ko Simpson starting right now? I haven't heard anything about him, but that doesn't mean he isn't being productive. You probably should put some information up about him if you are going to have a decent comparison. So far I know Owen has done very well, and has at least one touchdown. That's not too bad for a rookie. If he can get one more per game he might set a record. Doubtful, but its still possible.
TFL
Waterboy
With the bills. I think he starts for them.
Reddevil63
Veteran
Pre-draft talk should be what ifs, after the fact what good does it do to sit around and think "what if we had this guy"
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
AustinJB
Rookie
Owen Daniels
Game 1 - no stats
Game 2 - 4 receptions, 45 yds, 1 TD
Ko Simpson
Game 1 - 4 solo, 3 assists
Game 2 - 1 solo, 3 assists, 1 sack
FWIW
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
At this point Simpson. I mean c'mon Daniels may be the better pick in the long run, but right now Brown is killing me. Daniels made what a TD, Simpson might have prevented what 2-3 touchdowns. I mean maybe Simpson would have had enough sense not to have just pushed that receiver down in the endzone and have our INT. called back. K.O. might have had enough sense to stay with Stallworth instead of trying to come up and be SS run support. It's only two games in so right now it's not fair, but as of right now, Simpson would be much nicer. I mean tell me secondary hasn't killed us so far.
we could go back and see who was the best player available in every round of every draft..and talk about how we could have taken them over *insert player*
doesnt make a difference..pointless topic.. and its kinda sleazy too. Like your mother talking about all the kids she could have adopted if she hadnt had you.
Lets show a bit of respect towards our players.
doesnt make a difference..pointless topic.. and its kinda sleazy too. Like your mother talking about all the kids she could have adopted if she hadnt had you.
Lets show a bit of respect towards our players.
blockhead83
Rookie
Our players will be the first one's to remind you that this is a business. Unfortunately, I think any team loyalty that was once present in the NFL is quickly declining.
I disagree.. i talk to alot of fans from alot of other teams.. they arent all big homers like myself
..but team loyalty is still just as prevalent as it was years ago. And yah..its a business for the players... its a sport and form of entertainment for us. And I bet you $100 bucks that if you go sit in the Texans lockerroom, you wont hear anyone wondering if the team would be better if they had drafted *whoever*.
Partly because its unfair to the players we have, and partly because the past is the past and there is no changing it.. saying "we would have been better off if we had done this" is a pointless exercise. It boils down to whining..and there is nothing constructive or worthwhile about it.
Ko Simpson was the best player available at the beginning of the 4th round, I thought. Or maybe even Darnell Bing. We had/have a BIG need at safety, and we passed on potential starting safeties, even in the 4th round. Instead, we took a guy who Wisconsin didn't even like enough to make their starting TE. I was mystified at the pick at the time.
Now, that doesn't mean it was a bad pick necessarily, because I knew very little about Daniels, and obviously the Texans took a closer look at him than I did. I feel like I can comment on Mario vs. Reggie better, because I saw a lot of both of them in college.
If I could go back, and I were the GM, of course I'd take Simpson still. Our defense STILL sucks, in case anyone didn't notice. We have Daniels right now though, so I'd love to be wrong about the pick. He did at least have a decent game in Indy.
Now, that doesn't mean it was a bad pick necessarily, because I knew very little about Daniels, and obviously the Texans took a closer look at him than I did. I feel like I can comment on Mario vs. Reggie better, because I saw a lot of both of them in college.
If I could go back, and I were the GM, of course I'd take Simpson still. Our defense STILL sucks, in case anyone didn't notice. We have Daniels right now though, so I'd love to be wrong about the pick. He did at least have a decent game in Indy.
blockhead83
Rookie
I disagree.. i talk to alot of fans from alot of other teams.. they arent all big homers like myself
And yah..its a business for the players... its a sport and form of entertainment for us. And I bet you $100 bucks that if you go sit in the Texans lockerroom, you wont hear anyone wondering if the team would be better if they had drafted *whoever*.
Partly because its unfair to the players we have, and partly because the past is the past and there is no changing it.. saying "we would have been better off if we had done this" is a pointless exercise. It boils down to whining..and there is nothing constructive or worthwhile about it.
I wasn't trying to imply team loyalty was down amongst the fans, but the players. I'm also not trying to say that players sit around wondering what if, but more going in the direction that they could probably care less if the fans ask what if. You still hear a few players whine when traded or released, but it's becoming more and more prevalent for them to come out with the, "Well, it's a business....". It has a very calloused aesthetic to it. I just get the impression alot of players in the NFL are just happy to be collecting their paychecks, and don't really mind where they do it from, or if the fans there wish they were someone else. Just my 2 cents.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
The draft has killed us in the past but the jury is still for the 2006 draft .
Today on 610 sports Lance said that Casserly did not have Shawn Merriman on his draft board . CC did not think he could play OLB in a 3-4 .
Today on 610 sports Lance said that Casserly did not have Shawn Merriman on his draft board . CC did not think he could play OLB in a 3-4 .
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I got an audio/visual image while reading your post. It was Casserly in the draft war room wearing a mask of Mr. Burns, from the Simpsons, talking on the phone with the theme music from the movie Halloween in the background.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
What happens if the Chargers pick DJ and the Texans passed on Merriman ... who maybe the best defensive player today .
Goldeagle
Veteran
I said we need Safety help, and we NEED safety help again! Daniels is a nice player but you had 2 decent veteran TEs and one maybe (Joppru).
I just hope we take a safety with the 2 or 3rd pick of this coming draft or make a big move to bring in a proven safety who has some decent speed and/or can read a defense.
I just hope we take a safety with the 2 or 3rd pick of this coming draft or make a big move to bring in a proven safety who has some decent speed and/or can read a defense.
dirty steve
Veteran
that means we would have travis johnson, still. do we really have to go over this again..and again. you cant fill every hole in one year.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
The point is that we would have passed on what maybe the best defender in football. What big wide whole were we filling anyway .
dirty steve
Veteran
i wasnt asking, just showing the reality of what we would still have. you know that Dom Capers and Charley Casserly are no longer employed by the Texans, right?
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Look at it like this:
I wanted to trade down, skip Mario, Skip Reggie.
I wanted D'brick and Ko.
I wanted Ko in the FIRST round. I wanted KO in the second round. I wanted KO in the thrid round as well. Simpson will show why he was the top FS before everyone had a man-crush on Whittner and his 40 time. Ko is twice the natural FS that Whittner is.
I wanted to trade down, skip Mario, Skip Reggie.
I wanted D'brick and Ko.
I wanted Ko in the FIRST round. I wanted KO in the second round. I wanted KO in the thrid round as well. Simpson will show why he was the top FS before everyone had a man-crush on Whittner and his 40 time. Ko is twice the natural FS that Whittner is.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Clean your act up Steve . The point was how bad the front office was ... sorry you missed it .
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Daniels is our Putzier. We are pretty set at TE, I like the pick. We need someone alot more talented than Ko Simpson at the FS position.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Like who? Who could we have possibility gotten in the fourth round better than KO? Simpson is better than Landry this year, and to me it's not even close.
R
real
Guest
Darnell Bing was projected as a linebacker FWIW...that's what he plays for Oakland....
And I watched the Patriots vs. Bills game and Ko Simpson and Donte Whitner both start...Whitner had a pick and would have returned it for a T.D had someone on defense not been holding...Both of them are pretty good....But I think we made the right Move with Daniels because We needed some offensive weapons....
But we had Putz & Joppru.........
@ FS, we had CC. Brown & Guss Scott??
Hopefully by mid season David will be throwing the ball well..... (no passes to runningbacks in the indy game........ none to tightends in the philly game) & we'll see Owen Daniels pay off.
I still think we are hurting at linebacker more than Safety. It's just that you're seeing the Safeties come and tackle the guys the LBs forgot to cover.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
None huh? Try 7 attempts (2 possibly 3 drops--1 defensed because Daniels didn't block off the defender from the ball, 1 26 yd rec.) to TE's in the Philly game and 8 attempts (1 drop, 6 receptions) to RB's in the Indy game.
To everyone participating - thanks for the votes!
To everyone b****ing about how stupid "what ifs" are, do us all a favor and don't post. Realistically, if you don't like topics like these, all you are doing by posting is a) wasting your time and b) bringing it back up to the top of the board. Do you get some sort of pleasure or power out of telling people their topics are bad? If so, thats pretty embarassing...
Sure you can go back over the years and look at who you missed and think "Id rather have Portis over Pitts" but we were actually targeting both of these players and we needed help in both TE and S, and there was a LOT of debate on who to draft (although no one really saw Daniels as a possibility until we picked him). As such, since we are having SO much trouble at S, yet Daniels is now our starter, I thought it would encite a nice dialogue over whether or not this was a smart move.
To everyone b****ing about how stupid "what ifs" are, do us all a favor and don't post. Realistically, if you don't like topics like these, all you are doing by posting is a) wasting your time and b) bringing it back up to the top of the board. Do you get some sort of pleasure or power out of telling people their topics are bad? If so, thats pretty embarassing...
Sure you can go back over the years and look at who you missed and think "Id rather have Portis over Pitts" but we were actually targeting both of these players and we needed help in both TE and S, and there was a LOT of debate on who to draft (although no one really saw Daniels as a possibility until we picked him). As such, since we are having SO much trouble at S, yet Daniels is now our starter, I thought it would encite a nice dialogue over whether or not this was a smart move.
Haha this has got to be one of the most shortsighted posts I've seen recently. Calling this sleezy because its a hypothetical? You do realize that NOTHING we talk about on the messageboards means anything right? We aren't the coaches or the FO. When people start a thread about starting Sage, its a hypothetical situation. When people start a thread critiquing Carr for not throwing to AJ on this play, or not throwing the ball away on that play, its looking back. How is that any different? We are looking back and critiquing how well our FO did in the draft. There are 10000 threads looking back and critiquing how well all our players and coaches did in the game. Does it matter? No. Does it change anything? No. Do the coaches and FO and players read these and change their philosophies? No. So why do we do it? Because its FUN to TALK about football.
I hate how derogatory posters get when they think posts are suddenly not up to some golden standard that means nothing.
The fact is that the majority of people on this board spend their time critiquing something. Whether it be individual players (MW and Carr?) or coahces or FO. The only way to really critique the FO is by looking at past drafts, and seeing whether we drafted correctly. At this point, I think our S do is by far the weakest in the league, and would rather have taken a talent drop off to get a serviceable safety than an amazing TE.
PS: Oh and thanks a lot for the person who negative repp'd me by saying "poor taste." Get off your soap box, I'm getting off mine
R
real
Guest
True...But Putz isn't exactly the weapon that Daniels is, and Jopru's been out of commision since he's gotten in the Leauge...Daniels is probably the TE of the future for us...It would have been nice to have simpson, Im not going to lie...And I agree with you on the whole Linebacker thing.....Our Safeties aren't top flight....but I have yet to see a linebacker do anything when the offense passes...It's like we're playing with DL and Secondary...That is what our pass defense feels like...
I meant virtually none.......
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I agree wholeheartedly with your post.
Feel free to close this one down if everyone hates it so much.
Sheesh, why is it suddenly so harsh to critique the FO by looking at the most recent draft and wondering whether we made the right choice?
And respecting the players? I don't think a single person has said a negative word about Daniels. Quite the ocntrary, he's received nothing but praise. The only thing people have commented on is that this team is seriously lacking in the S department, and we seem to have a plethora of TEs
Sheesh, why is it suddenly so harsh to critique the FO by looking at the most recent draft and wondering whether we made the right choice?
And respecting the players? I don't think a single person has said a negative word about Daniels. Quite the ocntrary, he's received nothing but praise. The only thing people have commented on is that this team is seriously lacking in the S department, and we seem to have a plethora of TEs
R
real
Guest
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I think OD is a great aquisition to the team. He's a combo of Putz and Bruener to a certain extent. He can block pretty darn good and he can obviously catch the ball. That said, you can put me on the Daniels bandwagon. To top it off, he's a great guy. I like the ODs diary stories too.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
You are critiquing something in its infantile stage. Given the need to post this critique, and others of the like, will solicit responses such as mine and others. I do not see the need to take this thread down as there is some food for thought sprinkled around the hyperbole and deflection of responsibility and accountability.
The secondary was a known issue going into the season given our lack of tenure at the Safety positions and uncertainty of P Buch 2.0 delivering. However, injuries (Faggins, PB) have played a part in the already questionable secondary. If we do not go secondary early in the draft or FA, then I will be the first to post a critique of the FO. This ain't my first time to the rodeo.
I understand the difference between Putz & Owens.... & I understand we have nothing from Joppru to consider him an answer @ TE.....
We knew we needed a TE to keep the defenses honest...... so we got Putz before the draft. which should move TE down our list of needs...... So we get to the 4th..... maybe Kubiak didn't think the kid should have been there, like some thought Ko wouldn't be there.
Personally, I'd have chosen the best FS over the best TE, using my BPA(with consideration of need) approach. to me, it looks like Kubiak went BPA........ which is fine with me.
Yeah...... he was trying to help me get that as my Avatar...... but I'm not smart enough to get it to work.
In pre-season Joppru showed both good hands and good speed - I'd like to see him in the regular season.
(I do understand that we saw a lot of good things in pre-season, but speed and catching don't just disappear like some other aspects of the game.).
eriadoc
Texan-American
The team had no reason to believe Joppru would come back and perform the way he had. So I don't count Joppru in the mix. If we had Simpson, I don't really think he'd be enough to even improve our defense noticeably, much less substantially (at this point). Given that the team had all night to figure out who to take in the 4th round, I'm OK with the Daniels selection. He and Joppru may very well be our tight ends of the future. As many have said, you can't fix everything in one year and as it stands now, our offense at least shows flashes of being pretty good. Our defense has shown less than zero. With Ko Simpson back there, I don't think it would be appreciably better yet. With the tight end's impact on this offense, I do see the TE position making this offense appreciably better (26 yard pass to Putz on 3rd down in week one, 33 yard TD pass to Daniels in game two, etc.).
I'm OK with Daniels. He's proving to be a valuable asset.
I'm OK with Daniels. He's proving to be a valuable asset.
not only that, but I was speaking from Kubes perspective before this years draft.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
That's what she (Khari is a female) did. You were supposed to copy that and insert it into your avatar spot.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
I wasn't sure where you were going with that either. 7/26 attempts (27% of pass attempts) and 8/27 (30% of pass attempts) doesn't seem synonomous with "virtually none" to me. Pass the Haterade.
LBC_Justin
Rookie
I was pretty high on this guy and for a while I wanted him.
then...From what I heard, he interview horribly, had a questionable football IQ, overall didn't come across and an inteligent guy and then the cherry on top was a 10 on the wonderlic. (I have no hard facts to back this up but this is what was swirling around draft time.)
woops, sorry Khari....... if it makes you feel better, I thought Texans_Chick was a dude too..... knows too much about football..... hmm.... I keep putting my foot in my mouth.
But I tried that Vinny, & I got the same error message.....
....... I keep putting my foot in my mouth.
