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Which QB will be waived?
- Thread starter Hottoddie
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xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I think Yates will be cut. One thing that's been noted about keenum is his exuberance for the game. OB likes football guys. I think keenum fits the offense a little better...jmo. I also think he has the higher upside.
I never got the feeling from Yates that he was dying to be a starter. I just didn't get the vibe that he wanted to be the guy...the leader.
But I have no idea what's going on behind the scenes there. Going to be interesting to discuss when it happens.
I never got the feeling from Yates that he was dying to be a starter. I just didn't get the vibe that he wanted to be the guy...the leader.
But I have no idea what's going on behind the scenes there. Going to be interesting to discuss when it happens.
TheIronDuke
All Pro
I think Yates fits the mold that OB looks for in a QB and according to rumors, they had an offer for a late round pick in the last draft for Yates and declined.
So I think Keenum is going to be cut but I hope not because I really don't like Yates.
So I think Keenum is going to be cut but I hope not because I really don't like Yates.
PapaL
Loose Screw
^^This ^^
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I honestly think that Keenum's hometown fanfare is gonna keep him on the roster and conversely get Yates cut.
Sad really b/c honestly he and Keenum are more alike than they are different in terms of their upside. Yet some fans have no problem making a definitive judgement on Yates but have come up with every excuse in the world for Keenum.
Sad really b/c honestly he and Keenum are more alike than they are different in terms of their upside. Yet some fans have no problem making a definitive judgement on Yates but have come up with every excuse in the world for Keenum.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
I remember reading that Yates had injury concerns that affected his chances of winning the backup job last season. I can't search for a source for that since I'm at work.
What works in Keenum's favor is that he has more of a tendency to keep his eyes downfield, and he's accurate.
What works in Keenum's favor is that he has more of a tendency to keep his eyes downfield, and he's accurate.
No Worries
Practice Squad
I hope that it is Fitzpatrick. That would mean that he got outplayed by both Yates and Keenum. Fitzpatrick is a placehoilder. The faster he is gone, the better it will be for the Texans.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
When did 54.2% become accurate?
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Personally, I'd like to cut both Keenum and Yates. Given the fact there will be a lot of players cut over the next couple months, I think it's a distinct possibility.
I had to choose one, so I chose Keenum. A lot has been made of the prototypical O'Brien QB and Keenum doesn't fit. Plus, he was really bad toward the end of the season. He refused to take check downs and hot routes when they were running wide open underneath. He either couldn't or chose not to read blitzes that my mom could see. Always tried to win the game in one play.
I had to choose one, so I chose Keenum. A lot has been made of the prototypical O'Brien QB and Keenum doesn't fit. Plus, he was really bad toward the end of the season. He refused to take check downs and hot routes when they were running wide open underneath. He either couldn't or chose not to read blitzes that my mom could see. Always tried to win the game in one play.
Prepare to be flamed by the Keenum Fan Club.
I don't at all disagree with your assessment.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Keenum. Let him find a new home maybe Baltimore or Cleveland let him test the market for better situation now so that he can catch on with another team.
I don't need Yates to be a starter just reliable, cheap insurance in back-up roll. Great young man, keeps quiet, minds his buisness & never I mean never complains.
Fitzpatrick has a couple years here to bring experience & leadership to the table for younger guys. Not costing much either!
Savage should groom into starters role but will have to earn it.
I don't need Yates to be a starter just reliable, cheap insurance in back-up roll. Great young man, keeps quiet, minds his buisness & never I mean never complains.
Fitzpatrick has a couple years here to bring experience & leadership to the table for younger guys. Not costing much either!
Savage should groom into starters role but will have to earn it.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Yeah, and that's fine. I still have all the games recorded (no clue why) and crank one up when ever there's nothing worth watching on TV. It truly is painful to watch. Especially later in the season where teams knew he struggled under pressure.
By no means am I saying Yates is that much better. I just think Yates would at least take what the defense gives him
Only one of them has won a playoff game, iirc. 
Bye bye Case.
Bye bye Case.
It was apparent in the very first game he started (KC). On multiple occasions they bring only 4 defenders but would do so by overloading one side or the other and he failed to recognize it and make the adjustment in protection & route combination (hot route). Those were things he did have the ability to change within the scope of Kubiak's audible system.
That pretty much became par for the course as the season wore on.
I'd give him a pass for that first game or two had he shown improvement in that aspect as the season went on but it appeared to me he got worse , not better.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Not interested in having this conversation again. It's just been beaten to death as far as I'm concerned.
Having said that I voted for Keenum. I don't think I have any idea who it actually will be (beyond Yates or Keenum. Fitz and Savage aren't going anywhere) so there it is. No idea who wins that one but I like Keenum slightly more than Yates.
Having said that I voted for Keenum. I don't think I have any idea who it actually will be (beyond Yates or Keenum. Fitz and Savage aren't going anywhere) so there it is. No idea who wins that one but I like Keenum slightly more than Yates.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
As the season gets closer I think they will both be cut and we'll pick up somebody like Matt McGloin when he gets cut since Schaub has guaranteed money this season and Carr will push for the starter job. With Trent Edwards this is a crowded situation in Oakland. McGloin is an overachiever with NFL experience that knows BoB's system.
eriadoc
Texan-American
This doesn't deserve to be flamed. You have your opinion and others have theirs. That's cool. I think we all agree that Keenum didn't cut it last season. The only spot where some differ is some people would like to see if the potential that he did show can develop and can he overcome his deficiencies.
Now this post deserves to be flamed. No two ways about it, this is just stupid and inflammatory. This post basically says that BO'B is going to come in to a new situation and let the fan sentiment (of a VERY small segment, btw) dictate who he keeps on his roster. That ranks among the stupidest things typed in this forum in recent memory. But that's not even the worst part. What's worse is this is just a lame attempt to get ahead of the rationalization curve. You're setting yourself up to be able to rationalize why Keenum might be kept, in the event that he is. If he is kept on, it couldn't possibly be because BO'B sees something in him and/or thinks he's at least the third best QB on the roster. No, you're trying to set up a "just in case" scenario that establishes that BO'B would only keep Keenum because the all powerful UH alumni are pressuring him to do so.
Jeez, I wish I had as much actual power to influence NFL decisions as you just gave me credit for.
Nope , it doesn't but that wont change the fact that some will flame it. Keenum has a lot of hometown fanboys.
Thing is its not just BO'B .... its the other Bob too and he has a mancrush on Keenum. He for all intents and purposes gave the last HC an ultimatum to play Keenum .... That hometown fanfare does play into McNair's thinking even if it doesn't play into O'Brien's. Call it a fall back plan if FitzSavage is a failure. Something to keep asses in the seats when the team is multiple games below .500.
eriadoc
Texan-American
See, I know the stuff with McNair and Kubiak, but I find it hard to believe that the same onus will be put on O'Brien, especially since, 1.) He's a new coach taking over and trying to rebuild. He has to have early control to build the team the way he wants. 2.) Last year was the first (maybe only) chance to see Keenum, and Schaub had shown he couldn't get the job done. Just like we've all said around here in many situations, there are times when you just play the young guy to see what he's got. If he fails, it's not like you've really lost anything, and actually gained intel. If he succeeds, then you're better off. Last year was a perfect illustration of that. This year? Not so much.
No way McNair is dictating to O'Brien that he has to keep Keenum around.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'm not so sure it was a man crush on Keenum so much as McNair coming to believe Schaub was done and wanting the younger QBs evaluated. It's at least a possibility the directive was "anyone but Schaub" rather than "play Keenum." I lean toward anyone but Schaub because McNair ignored the hometown fanfare of VY which was way stronger than for Keenum.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Last year, I reported that Yates was dealing with elbow (throwing arm) problems dating back to 2011 (when he also had a throwing shoulder problem), and constantly from the middle of 2012, and through parts of the 2013 season.........and this was obviously without the trauma of being a starting "full-time" QB. Elbow problems in a QB can quickly become chronic and progressive with repeated damage. It already appears that Yates history is trying to enter that status. Then he developed back problems through the last 3 games of last season. Not really a history of problems I would want in a backup QB that may be needed to takeover long-term at moment's notice.
Hottoddie
Veteran
Not to make excuses for Keenum, but I have to ask the question, was he mentally prepared to be a starter at that point?
Even though he had been on the roster for just over a year he was always the 3rd string QB. While he got reps, he most likely didn't get the personal coaching that he needed. In the KC game he freestyled & almost helped us pull off the upset. He had a solid game the next week, but Kubiak started clamping down on him in the 3rd week & his performance steadily dropped off each subsequent week there after. Was he over thinking it & trying to not make mistakes rather than play the game? Was the speed of the game & Kubiak's multiple options per play too much for him at that point? While it's always a possibility (and became a reality), the 3rd string QB was never expected to start a single game.
Again, I don't mean to be making excuses for Keenum, but I saw enough in him to believe he has a future as a solid backup & possible starter if he's given the right coaching & put in the right system. I really like him, but can't shake the feeling he will be the odd man out.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
You've got your head so far up Keenum's ass you can't even admit that fan influence has some bearing on coaching decisions...& that is more sad and sillier than anything i typed in my last post b/c it shows your obvious bias. My post wasn't an attempt at anything other than to convey my thoughts on the hypocrisy of many of you Keenum sympathizers. You honestly make your cohorts (Hervy) look bad with this kinda crap.
& the worst part in your ridiculous rant is the bolded. All that crap is assumptions on your part. You have absolutely no clue about what i will think if he's kept.
Stop trying to be Ms. Cleo and stick to your day job.
drs23
Veteran
I can't see the future so I din't vote. That and it's pointless. Like Herv said: 
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Doc Jean brings up some really good points though. O'Brien seems to be very thorough in every step he's taken to this point so it would really surprise me to find out that he wouldn't know about T.J.'s health issues. I would think that he would take that under consideration for the exact reasons Doc stated. If he's still having issues or the condition has become chronic it seems to me that it would show in his mechanics when he get's his chance at the rotation. I don't know at all how these go but O'Brien has stated that only three of the four are getting reps on a given day. I've been trying to figure out how he's been splitting them. One sitting out every third day? One of two sitting out every other day?
, but I'd sure like to.
Again, not voting but I'd be of the mindset that if T.J. has fully recovered and doesn't have a chronic health issue that he'll make the cut. If he does or is showing signs of same then Kenuum would get the nod by default.
Then Vinny poses, what I think, is a possibly valid scenario and that's not an option on the poll...
:Doc Jean brings up some really good points though. O'Brien seems to be very thorough in every step he's taken to this point so it would really surprise me to find out that he wouldn't know about T.J.'s health issues. I would think that he would take that under consideration for the exact reasons Doc stated. If he's still having issues or the condition has become chronic it seems to me that it would show in his mechanics when he get's his chance at the rotation. I don't know at all how these go but O'Brien has stated that only three of the four are getting reps on a given day. I've been trying to figure out how he's been splitting them. One sitting out every third day? One of two sitting out every other day?
, but I'd sure like to.Again, not voting but I'd be of the mindset that if T.J. has fully recovered and doesn't have a chronic health issue that he'll make the cut. If he does or is showing signs of same then Kenuum would get the nod by default.
Then Vinny poses, what I think, is a possibly valid scenario and that's not an option on the poll...
I thought about wishing both boys luck, saying that I will cheer for either one who remains on the roster.
And I will.
But, some posts were kinda funny to me (no offense, guys), so I want to check out something about Yates as well, since we've been talking enough about Keenum.
Game 6 vs Packers, 2012.
3rd and 9.
Texans lined up in 11 spread.
They kept the RB back to block the 5-man rush.
Texans had sent the TE from right to left such that Posey was now the lone receiver on the right.
The Packers didn't bulge.
With 3 receivers on the left and only 2 defenders underneath, the Texans had advantage there.
You figure it's going to be an automatic completion with Captain check down, but no.
Despite seeing the LB right in front of him, Yates tried a pass over him to Posey on the right.
Ball tipped. INT.
Game 15 vs Vikings.
3rd and 9.
The Texans ran a hi-lo on the right with AJ going deep and Walter wide open underneath.
Easy enough for Captain check down.
No.
Despite Walter calling and calling for the ball.
Yates, after rolling out, hang on the ball and kept running.
He was chased from behind, tackled, and fumbled the ball.
Turnover.
Week 6 , 2013 vs Rams.
4th and 3 at the Rams 6.
With no pressure, Yates decided from the get go that he will force the ball to Graham, who was running straight into double coverage.
INT.
94-yd pick six.
Next series, 2nd and 10.
Texans in the red zone again with Graham having a couple of step on the defender who was totally vulnerable when he turned his back on the receiver, Yates rolled left and promptly threw the ball right to the defender.
INT; what else.
I mean, I don't hate Yates.
But, I certainly don't want to witness these things for the fourth straight year.
Can anybody blame me?
And I will.
But, some posts were kinda funny to me (no offense, guys), so I want to check out something about Yates as well, since we've been talking enough about Keenum.
Game 6 vs Packers, 2012.
3rd and 9.
Texans lined up in 11 spread.
They kept the RB back to block the 5-man rush.
Texans had sent the TE from right to left such that Posey was now the lone receiver on the right.
The Packers didn't bulge.
With 3 receivers on the left and only 2 defenders underneath, the Texans had advantage there.
You figure it's going to be an automatic completion with Captain check down, but no.
Despite seeing the LB right in front of him, Yates tried a pass over him to Posey on the right.
Ball tipped. INT.
Game 15 vs Vikings.
3rd and 9.
The Texans ran a hi-lo on the right with AJ going deep and Walter wide open underneath.
Easy enough for Captain check down.
No.
Despite Walter calling and calling for the ball.
Yates, after rolling out, hang on the ball and kept running.
He was chased from behind, tackled, and fumbled the ball.
Turnover.
Week 6 , 2013 vs Rams.
4th and 3 at the Rams 6.
With no pressure, Yates decided from the get go that he will force the ball to Graham, who was running straight into double coverage.
INT.
94-yd pick six.
Next series, 2nd and 10.
Texans in the red zone again with Graham having a couple of step on the defender who was totally vulnerable when he turned his back on the receiver, Yates rolled left and promptly threw the ball right to the defender.
INT; what else.
I mean, I don't hate Yates.
But, I certainly don't want to witness these things for the fourth straight year.
Can anybody blame me?
If you expect much more than that from either Yates or Keenum at this point ... you have to be wearing rose colored glasses or are flat out delusional.
Neither is the solution at QB , Fitzmagic is a placeholder at best & Savage is a complete unknown commodity.
Worst case is that they get ~average~ play at QB , the defense has a stellar year and they win a few they shouldn't and have no shot at one of the top QB's next year without mortgaging the future.
Best case is Savage turns into the next Tom Brady and they got their QB of the future in the late 4th round.
Somewhere in between is a few W's and an early draft pick to land that future QB without selling the next years draft in the process.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
All those guys have positives and negatives when you watch the film.
BUT...I do think that Keenum and Savage have the highest upside. I think Keenum can be at least a good starter in the NFL.
I'm aware of his problems from last season, but I'm also aware of the positives he brought to the team. I just wish Kubiak had 100% committed to him once he put him in.
I think the positives Keenum bring are things that you want in a starting QB and the negatives he has are correctable. Especially with a better functioning offense around him which he should have this season.
corytx8
Rookie
I completely disagree with the fans playing a role in decision making because if that's was the case then Manziel would have been drafted.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
That, I think, is one of the reasons he's going to get cut. If he's not appreciably better than Yates, than OB will want no part of the circus that a local undrafted QB superstar can potentially create.
I have nothing against Case, but I do seriously wonder how folks around here would perceive him if he was the UDFA QB from Wisconsin State.
I honestly think we've got four clipboard holders on the roster right now. Maybe they prove otherwise this season, but what I expect is to see a formidable defensive unit being built and a rather anemic offense that tries to avoid losing games.
I honestly think we've got four clipboard holders on the roster right now. Maybe they prove otherwise this season, but what I expect is to see a formidable defensive unit being built and a rather anemic offense that tries to avoid losing games.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Chron.com's McClain and Brian T. Smith think Yates will be waived:
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...-and-smith-talk-texans-quarterback-situation/
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...-and-smith-talk-texans-quarterback-situation/
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The thing the coaches have been clearest on is they think 4 is too many.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Right...but then we see Manziel drafted by a team whose owner reportedly was "convinced" by a bum on the street to draft Manziel....Then we hear that Manziel wasn't even the qb they were planning on drafting until the very last minute...Owner's are fans too. Just b/c their influence on the coach matters more than ours doesn't mean that it's no less fan influence that can affect coaching decisions.
You don't think Schaub getting booed at home for his poor performances didn't influence the owner/coach into blowing right by Yates and starting Keenum? What coach skips over his 2nd string qb to go to his 3rd string qb?
Everyone remember the offseason of 2011? Fans were in an uproar because of how bad Frank Bush's defense was. I remember seeing fans on the news threatening not to support the team anymore if a credible defensive mind (not another one of Kubiak's cronies) wasn't brought in to fix the team's defense. Some time later Wade Phillips was spotted entering Reliant.
People like to act like McNair isn't a fan of this team and he doesn't hear the fans; trust, he does. What's more is the people around him who are fans of the team & have considerable influence on him hear us too. It's not a stretch at all to believe that fan influence might have at least a little something to do with Keenum staying on board here. Obviously he'll have to show a little something to warrant sticking around but the fanfare could very well be the deciding factor between he and Yates who both are pretty much the same guy in terms of upside imo.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The link (trying IE 11 and Firefox) takes me to the title.......but only has a 200 count slide show.......no discussion???????
Number19
Hall of Fame
I use Firefox. There's a commercial above the slideshow. I don't believe there are any controls and it takes a bit of time with nothing happening, then the commercial self loads. When the commercial completes, the discussion will self load. That's how it worked for me.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
It's a video.
Nothing earth-shattering in there, no "new" news. Smith likes Case as a change of pace to Fitz/Savage. McClain going with home town guy, but throwing it in there that we might snatch another QB off the waiver-wire since we're first in line.
Wade Smith makes excuses for Keenum:
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/06/09/why-does-houston-have-such-a-hate-for-matt-schaub/
The Play button is on the bottom left.
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/06/09/why-does-houston-have-such-a-hate-for-matt-schaub/
The Play button is on the bottom left.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
Here's two things I feel confident saying : Fitz will, barring some miracle turnaround by Keenum and Yates will be the starter. Savage will be one of three they keep.
I think the most important question is where does Savage stand in the mix after TC. Does he look closer to backup or still too raw? If he's closer to backup, prolly bodes better for Keenum cause he's got more upside to stay on that third spot. If too raw, I'd prolly give the edge to Yates on possibly being more steady in pocket.
Either way I think if the team gets mediocre qb play it could surprise.
I think the most important question is where does Savage stand in the mix after TC. Does he look closer to backup or still too raw? If he's closer to backup, prolly bodes better for Keenum cause he's got more upside to stay on that third spot. If too raw, I'd prolly give the edge to Yates on possibly being more steady in pocket.
Either way I think if the team gets mediocre qb play it could surprise.
I think who will be cut will be the person who has shown the least potential in the new system.
I've seen enough of Yates. He's been in this league long enough while Keenum has basically played as a thrown in rookie last year that I know will improve. So IMHO Yates will be cut.
Weather it's Keenum or Yates, the person picked to stay is because he's shown more upside and has played better, and has an IQ that the coach is looking for.
I've seen enough of Yates. He's been in this league long enough while Keenum has basically played as a thrown in rookie last year that I know will improve. So IMHO Yates will be cut.
Weather it's Keenum or Yates, the person picked to stay is because he's shown more upside and has played better, and has an IQ that the coach is looking for.