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What position John McClain said we will take...
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beerlover
Hall of Fame
somewhere we've lost the point of what John McClain said, which was #13 was too high for Carlos Rogers (remember this is according to John McClain). I'm not disagreeing with any of you, I too think by drafting Rogers that would set our db's for at least the next 3-4 years.
his logic is something like the Texans are in love with Williamson & projected to be the BPA barring any unforseen turn of events (which is always possible).
his logic is something like the Texans are in love with Williamson & projected to be the BPA barring any unforseen turn of events (which is always possible).
Vinny said:
I agree that we need 3 CB in the AFC south to cover the Indy's of the world. I seriously think that we can get a CB with good talent in the 3rd round. We can groom him to be the #2 behind Dunta next year after Glenn is gone. There is so much depth there i think it can work
Always need to remember that the greatest CBs that ever walked this greenroyce1054 said:
earth can't provide coverage of even average WRs and their average QB if they don't get some pressure up front from their teammates on the QB. If
the QB can sit back and take target practice.... What we need for our D is
QB pressure from the front 7 - we are good in the DBackfield.
There is no longer any such thing as a shut down corner. Good yes (Dunta), shut down, no. Taking a corner at 13, if he's good, is still just about ok - I'm not saying we shouldn't draft Rogers. But if Tennessee stay at 6 (I think they'd prefer not to) and draft Rolle or Jones (I think they will), they are even stupider than they look.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
D-ReK said:
Well NFL GM's and coaches certainly don't agree with you. For the 2nd year in a row, the biggest free agent competition and contracts has been for CB's. As a result, the franchise tag number is now greater for CB's than any other position including QB.
The Preacher
Waterboy
I bet Pittsburgh wishes they had some decent corners. Best pass rush in the league just about and 41 points later have a nice offseason.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
:woot A bad CB is still a bad CB . Even with laxed rules good coverage is a must , it buys time for the pass rush when your DL is ok at best.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I think it puts real coverage CBs with speed at a premium . The slower physical CBs who liked to wrestle are the ones that are obselete .
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
D-ReK said:
I wouldn't call it off-base--it certainly has been said by fans this year.
The Patriots did make do this season--but let's face it that wasn't by choice. By choice they had one of the most expensive CB's in the league. Realistically, they got by with a fantastic front seven and luck at having a WR athletic and savy enough as a stop gap.
IMO the new rules have in large part discounted the urge for teams and fans to lust after big physical CB's to take on big physical WR's. Those guys typically don't have the reactions and closing speed of guys like Winfield, Glenn, Robinson, etc. Used to be both kinds could survive and excel in the league, now the pool is narrowing back to the quick & fast guys. Anytime you narrow the supply line, the price goes up. Look at it another way--in an age where the NFL is doing everything possible to encourage the passing game do you really want hacks out there?
IMO also you are going to see vets like Bailey & Glenn, who people thought had bad years or were slowing down, recover next year and play better after a year of experience learning how the refs were going to call the new rules.
TexansTrueFan
All Pro
i'd like to see Carlos R come here, i mean we already have a pretty good secondary IMO, and the lack of pass rush we have had only leads me to think we need to make the secondary as good as we possibly can, since i dont see us getting any DL through FA or the Draft !
beerlover
Hall of Fame
McClain for Good Friday 3/25-
NO WAY TEXANS TAKE BARRON OR ANY OFFENSIVE LINEMAN IN THE 1ST ROUND.
WR OR CB. WILLIAMSON OR TOP CB (Rolle/Pac-Man {Carlos Rogers})
NO MENTION OF A RUNNINGBACK OTHER THAN ONE OF THE TOP 3.
NO OLB BECAUSE OF THE BABIN PICK LAST YEAR & PEEK MAY BE READY.
NO DL BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY HEAVILY INVESTED IN THE PRESENT FRONT 3.
to his credit John McClain has been true to his word and stuck with Williamson, now is the 1st time he admits that corner could be addressed specificly. his 2nd choice then after Williamson is Pac-Man Jones (Rolle will be gone) with a slight acknowledgment to Carlos Rogers as the darkhorse closing fast but still on the outside looking in
NO WAY TEXANS TAKE BARRON OR ANY OFFENSIVE LINEMAN IN THE 1ST ROUND.
WR OR CB. WILLIAMSON OR TOP CB (Rolle/Pac-Man {Carlos Rogers})
NO MENTION OF A RUNNINGBACK OTHER THAN ONE OF THE TOP 3.
NO OLB BECAUSE OF THE BABIN PICK LAST YEAR & PEEK MAY BE READY.
NO DL BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY HEAVILY INVESTED IN THE PRESENT FRONT 3.
to his credit John McClain has been true to his word and stuck with Williamson, now is the 1st time he admits that corner could be addressed specificly. his 2nd choice then after Williamson is Pac-Man Jones (Rolle will be gone) with a slight acknowledgment to Carlos Rogers as the darkhorse closing fast but still on the outside looking in
I to heard McClain on 610 this afternoon and found him entertaining as
usual. Would liked to have asked him if the Texans might take Mark Clayton
(or another WR) with their top pick if Williamson was gone when they picked.
Also would have been fun to ask him why the consensus has us taking Barron but he is so adamantly believes the Texans will not use a first round pick on
an OL. Perhaps he tell us why the mockers are so misinformed ?
usual. Would liked to have asked him if the Texans might take Mark Clayton
(or another WR) with their top pick if Williamson was gone when they picked.
Also would have been fun to ask him why the consensus has us taking Barron but he is so adamantly believes the Texans will not use a first round pick on
an OL. Perhaps he tell us why the mockers are so misinformed ?
Unless I misunderstood what McClain said, he basically ruled out every position except WR and CB for the top pick. And that was not just the first round, because I think he said the first and second round picks would be WR & CB ( or it could be in the order of CB & WR). Interesting because this seems to ignore the BPA concept, although indirectly maybe it doesn't sinceroyce1054 said:
WR & CB are the very strengths of this draft along with RB.
nunusguy said:
I agree. I just dont see Pac-man and Antrel Rolle slippin to #13... i dont think Rodgers would be a good #13. If we move down maybe. We could even move up into the end of the late 1st round and get a Justin Miller, Eric Green, or Brandon Browner. I would be very happy with a Williamson, Miller 1st round draft draft.
bckey
All Pro
nunusguy said:
And you think McClain is going to tip our hand and say what we will take in the draft? Maybe if we had the first pick or something but at 13 there is no way we narrow it down to wr and cb and then broadcast it on the radio. There is going to be a lot of smoke blowing from now until the draft. We will not be able to see clearly until the Texans pick is announced from the podium on April 23. The Houston Texans select...
CB is arguably the position where the best, most complete football players in the NFL are most frequently found. And it is with out doubt a prime position for a teams largest financial investments with regard to player personnel. Just look at our team, out of the half dozen first round selections amoung last years starters fully 1/3 of them were represented by our CB starters. At the other extreme, the highest draft pick amoung our
down lineman was S.Payne at the 4th round and R.Smith was a
lowly 6th round selection coming out of Michigan St.
Since this is a very strong year for corners in a draft class that is thought by
many to be relatively weak in general it is an easy call to predict that
one of the 2 most likely positions we use our 13th overall on is CB, especially
when you factor in A.Glenns age. So I hardly think McClain or anyone else goes out on a limb with this prediction.
down lineman was S.Payne at the 4th round and R.Smith was a
lowly 6th round selection coming out of Michigan St.
Since this is a very strong year for corners in a draft class that is thought by
many to be relatively weak in general it is an easy call to predict that
one of the 2 most likely positions we use our 13th overall on is CB, especially
when you factor in A.Glenns age. So I hardly think McClain or anyone else goes out on a limb with this prediction.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
this thead is merely to settle the restless natives down, relax don't worry everything is going to come out in the Texans favor John has a real down home character to both his articles and his interviews. he seems like a very likable guy with integrity whom people trust (at least to some degree) so his opinion carrys some weight, not to mention his track record is solid as it relates to Texans picks.
John has a real down home character to both his articles and his interviews. he seems like a very likable guy with integrity whom people trust (at least to some degree) so his opinion carrys some weight, not to mention his track record is solid as it relates to Texans picks.
beerlover said:McClain is on sports radio 610 right now, just thought I'd give anyone interested a heads up
If says anything related to the Texans gives us the notes as 610 does not stream.
T
Tex in a Can
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TheOgre said:
Can't see Tenn taking a wr, they have other, much bigger holes and could trade down with someone wanting a wr. Hey, let's swap picks with them, they want OL Barron, and give them a 3rd and we get one of these wr's. :woot
Like any draft, there will be surprises, some teams will reach and there will be players dropping.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
nothing new, Casserly will take Williamson if he stays put @ #13. that Casserly will not trade with Synder (Redskins) because each wants to get the better of the other. And that Matt Jones has a better arm than most people think and a team who drafts him should give him a chance to develop at QB.
for my money the most bang for the buck would be to trade our 1st round pick for a high 2nd round pick & that teams #1 next year. we have to stay focused on the 5 year plan & set ouselves up pretty for the 2006 season.
for my money the most bang for the buck would be to trade our 1st round pick for a high 2nd round pick & that teams #1 next year. we have to stay focused on the 5 year plan & set ouselves up pretty for the 2006 season.
I listened to as much as I could. McClain said the Texans would likely move up or down on draft day, but they wouldn't trade with Washington. McClain thinks one of the Big Three RBs will drop. There is a big dropoff at the CB position from Rolle & Pac Man to the 3rd CB (Rogers?). Still thinks SF will take Aaron Rodgers.ArlingtonTexan said:
Most of McClain's time was spent on Bagwell & Biggio's chances at the HOF, Vida Guerra, Angelina Jolie vs Tiger's wife, or how cold the NFL owners' wives thought Atlanta was in Y2K. If you need this type of insider info, let me know.
Lucky said:
Oh so he has not changed a bit in year or so that I have not been able to hear him regularly. Lots of gossips and junk, and football takes I get from an online source...thanks for effort Lucky
You know how I feel about the guy, but I usually bite my lip around here because there are so many McClain lovers. But for a guy who has such great Texan contacts, why didn't he even mention the possibility of Bradford re-signing with the team? According to Casserly, Bradford agreed to terms a week ago. Really, that says it all.ArlingtonTexan said:
Of course, McClain is the "national writer". The other scrubs like Duarte & Thompson are supposed to be covering the local team. Where are they? At the Final 4, spring training, the Masters, a ping-pong tournament...anywhere but Reliant Park. With less than 2 weeks before the draft.
The Chronic's coverage of the Texans is pathetic, but some fans eat it up & swear it tastes great. Sure, the NFL coverage has improved from when the city didn't have a team. But that's like replacing "Gruel" with "Gruel with Sugar!". It's still gruel and this team & these fans deserve better. Whether they realize it or not.
outofhnd
Rookie
I think McClain is wrong this year and we go with Ware. His projection has shot up to 11-15 with 11-14 teams holding private visits with Ware Parcells was very impressed, as were we. I think we take him at 13 if dallas does not take him at 11.
And if you havent read any other post i made today the latest rumor is Washington is working out WR's and not CB's. That tells me something about what they feel they got with the Moss Coles trade. they are looking at williamson and clayton.
And if you havent read any other post i made today the latest rumor is Washington is working out WR's and not CB's. That tells me something about what they feel they got with the Moss Coles trade. they are looking at williamson and clayton.