If you consider they paid him already, he already knew what they thought of him.
It's possible that this guy will provide the flexibilty to play RT or Guard, just like Howard so they can focus on keeping Howard, who they just paid, at RT.
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It's possible that this guy will provide the flexibilty to play RT or Guard, just like Howard so they can focus on keeping Howard, who they just paid, at RT.
xtruroyaltyx
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Oline is one of the most important positions on the team and it's a position where you generally want experience.
This isn't something that the Texans have done well in the past, but organizations that are consistently good make these kinds of picks.
You don't wait until you NEED an offensive lineman...You draft them early and fairly often and that way when you do need them they are ready to go and don't have to be forced into duty too soon and have to rotate snaps with Ephraim Salaam or be thrown out there on an island entirely too early and get burned over and over again like Kareem as a rookie. When you've got goals to be amongst the best you can't afford having to throw guys out before they are ready.
Now if Fisher comes in and earns the spot right away, great. But I don't think that was the intent behind this pick.
This isn't something that the Texans have done well in the past, but organizations that are consistently good make these kinds of picks.
You don't wait until you NEED an offensive lineman...You draft them early and fairly often and that way when you do need them they are ready to go and don't have to be forced into duty too soon and have to rotate snaps with Ephraim Salaam or be thrown out there on an island entirely too early and get burned over and over again like Kareem as a rookie. When you've got goals to be amongst the best you can't afford having to throw guys out before they are ready.
Now if Fisher comes in and earns the spot right away, great. But I don't think that was the intent behind this pick.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Out of curiosity where does Deiter Eislen fit in? Third year C/G from Yale, big dude 320#’s. Texans have carried him awhile.
Porky
Hall of Fame
PS I probably his best ticket. Always barring injury of course.
Number19
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Dieter had significant preseason snaps with Chicago in 2021, 2020 and 2023, but only had a few snaps (64) during the 2022 season, at C, LG and RG. After Chicago let him go following the 2023 training camp, the Texans signed him. He had 4 game snaps, against the Jags and Jets at LT.
He'll have a chance to compete in training camp but there's not enough to guess how he'll do. He has nice size. He's a player to watch.
Obviously they think he's a future starter at RT.
Porky
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Yes sir I get that, but you don't know what you've got. The draft is an educated guessing game, and you make the best choices you can with the data you have. I was just thinking out loud over what I see in the range of possibilities. He's still a little raw and young. He is far from a finished product, making him much riskier than a guy like Alt. So, sure, it's fine to say he has the potential to be in Alt's class of tackle...but the potential is just that - potential.
All I'm saying is that if he doesn't reach his potential, it's doubtful he'll be out of the league or something. In his case, the most likely "failure" of the pick is that he ends up as a higher-level career backup type. I'm not saying that WILL happen, but it's certainly possible. And there's still value in that...but as a 2nd rounder, you want more.
As I noted, it's even more possible he plays so well that it makes Howard and his contract expendable after the 24 season, and you're ready to plug the guy in at RT and he is as good or better than Howard and at a much lower cost (for now).
He starts at LG or RT if Howard can’t go. JMO.
Number19
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Dug up an interesting fact. He had 6 snaps at RG in the WC game against Cleveland. This is interesting because he took these snaps and not Broeker.
5 snaps run blocking and 1 snap pass blocking. Perhaps one of you could watch the film and comment. My thing is PFF and for what it is worth, he graded an elite 91.1 on his run blocking.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Based on 5 snaps? Did he plays snaps earlier in the season? I am intrigued by Broeker as at worst a good interior spot starter type. What’s the intrigue with Dieter E?
Number19
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Dieter is from South Africa with a sports background of soccer and competitive weight lifting. He became fascinated with American football watching TV and talked his parents into letting him come to the US to participate in a training camp, and ended up enrolling in a college prep school, playing his first season of football. Yale offered him a scholarship, and he began starting midway through his freshman year. It's an interesting read.
Chicago signed him as an UDFA in 2021. Had significant snaps in preseason but non during the season, although he was elevated to the active roster in November. In 2022 he was on the active roster and had 62 snaps in 3 games. In February, 2023 he was released and signed by the Texans.
During the 2023 regular season he had 4 snaps in two games, all at LT. In the WC game against Cleveland he had the 6 snaps at RG.
Broeker did have 3 snaps in week 17 against Tennessee, run blocking with a PFF grade of 57.5.
From the Texans point of view, the interest in Eiselen is in his versatility. Between Chicago and Houston, preseason and season, he has played all 5 positions on the oline, although limited of course.
From my perspective, I'm intrigued by the fact that against Cleveland, they had 6 plays at RG where Mason had come out. Like you I had been keen on Broeker's potential all season and now find the Texans went with Eiselen when it came to crunch time in the playoffs. And to top it off, was highly graded on his 6 plays.
Last year the team started the season with 9 offensive linemen. If Howard is healthy, I see the 9 this year as Tunsil, Kenyon Green, Kendrick Green, Scruggs, Patterson, Mason, Heck, Fisher and Howard.
Broeker and Eiselen to the PS.
But Eiselen has replaced Broeker as my wildcard. I really like everything I've read about his character and motivation to suceed. If there's an injury during training camp, I'm predicting Eiselen will be number 9.
I'll bet on the last paragraph of the his post. I see Fisher as a value pick talent wise. He's going to be the starting RT at some point. Put Fisher with Mason and Stover with Mixon and I think you're gonna be happy with the run game next year. If I'm wrong Howard will be healthy and playing great. This is a win -win situation.isnt great to have depth and that's best case scenario with Howard.
Sweech
Onside Kick Specialist
Why do people keep saying he'll play LG when Caserio keeps stating and re-iterating he was drafted to play tackle and it's unlikely he'll play guard?
cland
Recovering from BO'B PTSD
Agree with this, having a swing tackle over Heck is a big upgrade to start with (the fact that he started his college career at LT plays into this.) Hopefully he develops into a starter at one of the tackle positions down the road.
Howard is probably going to get hurt again. I see Fisher about the same as I see Alt. Either way the RT position will be upgraded this season. I know Alt got all of the attention but Fisher is very good too. Well worth 2-59, posters that dont like the pick are the posters that wanted Caserio to draft a DL/S or LB at 2-59. If you look at this from a talent standpoint instead of a need standpoint Fisher was a great pick and there's certainly a case to be made that OT was as big of a need as any need on the team. Nobody knows about Howard's health and the OT position is devoid of depth.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Good video. Remember that Fisher started more at right tackle than he did at left tackle his rookie year. He is not out of position but can handle both sides in my opinion. Also, his talents at tackle are going to be more or less significant based upon the guard he happens to be playing next to. Left guard is still a concern for me. However, since I expect Fisher to start on the right side at least early part of his career, perhaps this will not be an issue.
Pancaking a defensive back is fun to watch but hopefully, we will see that against bigger stronger players.
Gone Fishing with
Blake Fisher !
He started as LT at ND, he was injured and Alt took the spot so he went to RT when he came back
badboy
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Most know I have followed Fisher and Jarrett Patterson and then Alt when he took over at Notre Dame at LT when Blake was injured. I should've said freshman year college rather than rookie.
I think Fisher is going to be really really good. Notre Dame has turned out some good offensive linemen the last few years.
Just to clarify.
In his 2 full seasons at Notre Dame (soph and junior), Fisher played exclusively at RT. Fisher was the opening starting LT as a freshman, but went down with a knee injury in the season opener.
This year was a very deep OT draft and I'm happy the Texans came away with one they wanted. Fisher was a need and value. pick.
badboy
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I have been critical of Nick extending Howard especially for the amounts of guaranteed money, yet when he selects quality pics where he does that dims my complaint.
Sweech
Onside Kick Specialist
Fantastic video although I did find it odd they said he was a better pass blocker than run blocker in college because I felt the exact opposite. I felt he was coming in fairly ready made as a run blocker but there were things to work on and consistency to be achieved as a pass blocker.
This is an example of drafting to the strength of the draft. (God job by Caserio/Ryans) Fisher would've been drafted in the 1st rd if
1. He had gone back to Notre Dame and played LT this yr.
2. Hadn't gotten hurt and played LT in college.
He's a very talent guy, who's one of the younger players in the draft and his best football is ahead of him IMHO.
Yep, extending Howard was a terrible move by Caserio. What I like about Caserio is he knew he screwed up and made the best of a bad situation by selecting Fisher.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Agree and Notre Dame has a red shirt freshman at LT. I can see Fisher having a draft in 2025 as did Alt. I think Texans and fans are going to be very glad Blake came out this year.
If he can develope into a starting LT your Tunsil trade may soon be a reality.
cland
Recovering from BO'B PTSD
Hehe, I still can't believe wanting to trade away a top 5 OLmen. Look at the pass-rushing DEs we'll be facing this year, then imagine them being protected by a rookie or 2nd year lineman (in the future). Or better yet, imagine the start of the Texans franchise before Duane Brown developed in to a good LT.
Sweech
Onside Kick Specialist
Exactly this.
Good GMs aren't impervious to bad decisions, but what separates the good from the bad ones is those who are proactive in correcting their own mistakes and accepting they've made a mistake.
Sweech
Onside Kick Specialist
Better not be. You need two book ends in today's NFL and the right side is far from locked down.
Call it a mistake all you want, but Casserio did what he did with both eyes open. Both sides are "locked" & he's looking towards the future. We'll see how it plays out.
Sweech
Onside Kick Specialist
He seems to be pleased with Tytus. & Tunsil, for sure.
But if they feel Fisher can play LT at a high rate & can get a 1st round pick out of the deal, it could happen.
Besides, it was a joke to someone who gets a lot of grief over LT trade proposals.
cland
Recovering from BO'B PTSD
I don't want them to "feel that Fisher can play LT," I want them to line up Fisher across from Myles Garrett, TJ Watt, Josh Hines-Allen, and Nick Bosa for a full game before considering trading Tunsil.
For future reference I'm not thinking about what you want when I post.
badboy
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Not with Tunsil's dead $ if he's playing as he has. I think I'd rather keep Fisher at right tackle and use the next three years to select the LT replacement 4 years from now. That could be Fisher but depending on what's in draft.
badboy
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Well of course you do but so does everybody else. Look TK was putting in a tease directed towards me and I got it and most everyone else did. I have for years brought several players up for possible trades scenarios and to be honest over the years caught some grief justifiable or not. Anyone on your roster should be tradable for the right deal. The right deal just doesn't usually come up.I don't want them to "feel that Fisher can play LT," I want them to line up Fisher across from Myles Garrett, TJ Watt, Josh Hines-Allen, and Nick Bosa for a full game before considering trading Tunsil.
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cland
Recovering from BO'B PTSD
Well dagnabbit, I've been reading your posts all wrong!