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I wasn’t going anywhere with it I seriously haven’t seen it. I did hear about a minute and a half on the radio and i didn’t get a good impression. he Was asked an easy question and he just gave a generic BS answer that made me think, WTF? Was just wondering if that continued throughout the interview?
It did. 100%.
 

Texansballer74

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I wasn’t going anywhere with it I seriously haven’t seen it. I did hear about a minute and a half on the radio and i didn’t get a good impression. he Was asked an easy question and he just gave a generic BS answer that made me think, WTF? Was just wondering if that continued throughout the interview?
It wasn’t a bad interview. You can tell he was instructed to answer the Questions about Watson a certain way. And he stuck to the script. Thus the reason some people thought he sounded clueless. The interview was posted on the Welcome to Houston David Culley, Head Coach thread.

Mods can you guys move these comments to the right thread.
 

banned1976

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2020 stats..

Player A: 11 gms, 72 carries, 299 yds, 4.2 ypc, 2 tds - 6 rec, 50 yds, 8.3 ypr, 0 tds, 31 years old

Player B: 12 gms, 147 carries, 691 yds, 4.7 ypc, 6 tds - 33 rec, 314 yds, 9.5 ypr, 2 tds, 29 years old

..any guesses?
Yeah, I looked at both sets of stats earlier today. A. Ingram. B. David Johnson. They're both on the down side of their careers. I don't expect their numbers to improve in 2021.
 

badboy

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Excellent job releasing news of this signing within the hour after the Culley trainwreck presser..

It's like a restaurant offering one stale peanut m&m right after serving a microwave salisbury steak for dinner..
Not that there's anything wrong with Salisbury steak or M&M's ... right?
 

badboy

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Well, to be fair... our previous HC had all knowing power of where he wanted to steer the ship.

Id normally like my HC to know some things, but its refreshing to have a HC that answers to someone other than the mirror.

I know this perspective wont last anywhere past game one of pre-season if that long.
We have gone from one extreme to the other. Now if we can only do that with our win loss record
 

badboy

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He didn't say that ('Watson is our QB for now') in the presser today.

And I don't think I said anything about wanting the HC to dwell on it. Just answer it confidently without sounding clueless.
NBC, texanswire, NFL.com. kilt 610 radio and 790 radio say he said "right now" which is what most think it is...for now.
 

TripleTap

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“Remember this now, we’re moving forward, you know, we’re moving forward. All our conversations have been with all of the players here is that we are moving forward. We’re going to go forward, and we’re going to go forward with everybody that is all in with us that wants to go. And I like to think and I feel like that as we move forward, we’re going to move forward all-in with everybody that’s all-in with us. And I feel like everybody’s going to be all in, including him (Watson), including everybody else that’s been here, that we’re moving forward, and we’re going with it and we’re going to go that way.”

JMJ.
 

76Texan

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Nice pickup for what we need. A guy who can pound the rock inside and take a beating. Wonder what DW4 thinks of this, he has to be somewhat happy.
Ingram was fairly productive in the first 5 games last year before he sustained a high ankle sprain in the 6th game and missed a few games.
That type of injury can linger on for a good while.
During his absence, the 2nd Rd rookie JK Dobbins really came on.
For those two reasons, Ingram was never really a part of the 3-man rotation in the second half.

I think this is a good, solid pick up if that injury heals well. He's better than what the Texans had had for quite awhile now; and as mentioned above, he's got good ball security.
He runs to daylight and is hard to bring down at 5'9 and a load.
 

justmy2cents

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NBC, texanswire, NFL.com. kilt 610 radio and 790 radio say he said "right now" which is what most think it is...for now.

I listened to it on the radio - thrice .... watched it on television - twice .... you are correct ! He followed it quickly with an "anything can happen !" He stayed focused on the steps, while he danced as fast as ever he could. Meanwhile, the 3 Stooges huddled behind the curtain, mouthing - "don't you dare stop" .... "we need to see some courage from our new Head Coach" !
 

Texian

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I didnt see the interview but from what I read he said is DW is our QB for now.

Which he is... maybe not for long, maybe he is our QB that chooses to sit... but I dont see a point of acting like DW is the sun that all things in the organization revolves around either.

Things arent okay, but either things blow over (doubtful at this point) or we move on from DW so no real reason to act like there is a third outcome that can be achieved if the situation is aired out any further than it already has.

This coming season is going to suck, regardless of what DW chooses to do or any actions taken by the McNairs/FO.

I've pretty much stopped following the DW drama and mentally prepared to move on from him. IF we get high value, Im all for the trade, if not, let him rot. So hearing that the HC didnt spend his time dwelling on DW is a good thing IMO.
He didn't say that ('Watson is our QB for now') in the presser today.

And I don't think I said anything about wanting the HC to dwell on it. Just answer it confidently without sounding clueless.
(35) Why “Right Now” Is the WRONG Way to Describe Deshaun Watson’s Texans’ Status | The Rich Eisen Show - YouTube
 

Mr teX

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With the cap being down, I suspect alot of vets taking small deals. This is what I wanted them to do last year. Fill in the roster with 30 yr olds on 2 yr deals. Its a easy way to have depth and can still coach up the younger guys.
I like the pick up although they are a few years too late; I wanted them to get Ingram 2 years ago when left NO.

still, he’s a vet guy who missed a lot of time last year b/c of injury & doesn’t have a problem sharing the rock as he’s been doing it his entire career in NO and Bal. I know he’s 30, but he doesn’t have as much wear on him as folks here think. The Ravens had a logjam at the position last year with him, Edwards, Hill..and then they brought in Dobbins. He was most likely gonna be the odd guy out.
 
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leebigeztx

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I like the pick up although they are a few years too late; I wanted them to get Ingram 2 years ago when left NO.

still, he’s a vet guy who missed a lot of time last year b/c of injury & doesn’t have a problem sharing the rock as he’s been doing it his entire career in NO and Bal. I know he’s 30, but he doesn’t have as much wear on him as folks here think. The Ravens had a logjam at the position last year with him, Edwards, Hill..and then they brought in Dobbins. He was most likely gonna be the odd guy out.
Plus he breaks tackles which is something Johnson doesn't do. I suspect Ingram will be the early down back and Johnson the 3rd down back.
 

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Yeah, I looked at both sets of stats earlier today. A. Ingram. B. David Johnson. They're both on the down side of their careers. I don't expect their numbers to improve in 2021.
The ypc numbers are interesting. Doesn’t look like downside of career. More like their teams had better options. Or at least more preferable options.

I know that wasn’t the case for DJ here, just saying.
 

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They really just wanted a dude that could introduce Deshaun Watson at press conferences the right way:


Not gonna' lie, I cracked up when I first saw this a couple of seasons ago.

Ah, yes. I grew up in the age of the TV dinner, cooked the old fashioned way...in an oven. The entree would come out of the oven exhibiting an ice cold center but the dessert would be a billion degrees. Woe to any kid who tested that dessert too soon. BTW, I think both RB1 and RB2 are old enough to remember those days as well.
Just consider the frozen TV dinner to be the perfect metaphor for the 2021 Texans season. It'll probably give you a stomach ache and eventually just smell like bad gas.

Because our HC sounds like the least informed, least equipped person in the coaching ranks..

If it gave you any confidence, cool..
Glad I'm not the only one that felt this way. Obligatory preface of "he's a nice man" out of the way, I just don't get any sort of head coaching vibe from the guy.

I do not sense that he has any sort of vision for the long term plans of this franchise, and it honestly feels like he knows that he's got 2-3 years to make some great money, smile and be nice to Houston fans, and help build the much advertised "high character culture" that seems like the new corporate mission statement for this organization.

NBC, texanswire, NFL.com. kilt 610 radio and 790 radio say he said "right now" which is what most think it is...for now.
He never said that during the official presser. The "right now" statement was made in a separate interview with Jim Trotter and Steve Wyche.

How the man could give two different messages is beyond me for a professional football coach in the NFL. But, then again, it's the Houston Texans and stumbling and bumbling through things seems to be their current M.O.
 

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are we rebuilding orrrr...... it seems like its all joy sunshine n roses over at NRG not a care in the world LOL ...Lets pay two older RB and just let them have there fairwell season in texas ..???? QB "XYZ" hands it off to them and thats our offensive :P
 

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are we rebuilding orrrr...... it seems like its all joy sunshine n roses over at NRG not a care in the world LOL ...Lets pay two older RB and just let them have there fairwell season in texas ..???? QB "XYZ" hands it off to them and thats our offensive :P
Take Bobby Knight's advice. Relax and enjoy it.
 

Norg

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Take Bobby Knight's advice. Relax and enjoy it.
i guess but this could either go two ways we trade watson and get a killing or we dont trade watson and he sits for 2 years LOL ...a while a ancor is on our foot ...either way should be exicting
 

theCATALYST

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Plus he breaks tackles which is something Johnson doesn't do. I suspect Ingram will be the early down back and Johnson the 3rd down back.
2 back set, one being a pass catcher and the other a bruiser. If DW stays, we utilize his legs more ala Lamar Jackson and the Texans suddenly have a lethal run threat which opens the passing game immensely. Watch for personnel tweaks to the Offensive line that would signify run heavy offense.
 

Mr teX

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They really just wanted a dude that could introduce Deshaun Watson at press conferences the right way:


Not gonna' lie, I cracked up when I first saw this a couple of seasons ago.



Just consider the frozen TV dinner to be the perfect metaphor for the 2021 Texans season. It'll probably give you a stomach ache and eventually just smell like bad gas.



Glad I'm not the only one that felt this way. Obligatory preface of "he's a nice man" out of the way, I just don't get any sort of head coaching vibe from the guy.

I do not sense that he has any sort of vision for the long term plans of this franchise, and it honestly feels like he knows that he's got 2-3 years to make some great money, smile and be nice to Houston fans, and help build the much advertised "high character culture" that seems like the new corporate mission statement for this organization.



He never said that during the official presser. The "right now" statement was made in a separate interview with Jim Trotter and Steve Wyche.

How the man could give two different messages is beyond me for a professional football coach in the NFL. But, then again, it's the Houston Texans and stumbling and bumbling through things seems to be their current M.O.
its not 2 different messages unless you’re looking for it to be. Fact is everyone is expecting DW4 to be traded at some point. folks are being egged on by the media are also hinging on every single word said....or not said. “Right now” is just 1 of those phrases that can be thrown in at the end of almost every sentence in almost every conversation. It speaks more to comfortability with the person/people you’re talking to more than anything else.

so it’s not surprising he would use that phrase when talking to a single guy like Jim Trotter....someone he’s probably known for years...vs a thirsty mob of media types asking him the same damn question over and over.

For the record I believe there will be an attempt to trade DW4 sometime around the draft. Whether or not it actually comes together is another matter. If it doesn’t, I’m confident that NC will be more than fine with letting DW4 sit the entire season if that’s what he chooses. So The posturing by the FO and by extension Culley isn’t b/c as another of these moronic talking heads have said “desperate and praying he comes back into the fold” although I believe they’d accept him with open arms if he chose to. The posturing is to shift all this onto DW4 and the market itself; basically saying to him we’re not trading you just for your sake & because you asked us to...& to other teams.....if you want him, come correct. I just hate to see Culley getting ripped apart and called clueless b/c he’s not telling everyone what they want to hear and how they want to hear it. Best believe he knows the ins/outs of what the plan is...he just has a **** poker face.

In that regard DW4 not the team, has a decision to make about whether or not he wants to play in the 2021 season. Word is, he’s prepared to sit the entire season............ok.

Amongst the things the FO has on their side is time...& don’t let this team mess around and be competitive next year. We will most definitely suck....but if this team winds up winning more games than we did this past year without him.....with us getting back our full compliment of picks in 2022..then the support DW4 enjoys now will begin to dry up even more. This is what’s going on with OBJ and the Browns now.
 

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2 back set, one being a pass catcher and the other a bruiser. If DW stays, we utilize his legs more ala Lamar Jackson and the Texans suddenly have a lethal run threat which opens the passing game immensely. Watch for personnel tweaks to the Offensive line that would signify run heavy offense.
The Texans should NOT want that in anyway IF Watson returns.
 

thunderkyss

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Where's the evidence of that?
:thinking:


Do you think Watson may get the idea Caserio is actually trying to help him win games?
I have absolutely no evidence what Norg is thinking?

However, as you & a couple others have commented regarding recent signings & restructuring, I don’t get the feeling Nick Caserio is in tank mode.
 

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2 back set, one being a pass catcher and the other a bruiser. If DW stays, we utilize his legs more ala Lamar Jackson and the Texans suddenly have a lethal run threat which opens the passing game immensely. Watch for personnel tweaks to the Offensive line that would signify run heavy offense.
I don't think Watson's two knees could withstand that kind of gameplan week in and week out. Plus it's not utilizing one of his greatest strengths i.e. scrambling guys open and his passing game.

its not 2 different messages unless you’re looking for it to be. Fact is everyone is expecting DW4 to be traded at some point. folks are being egged on by the media are also hinging on every single word said....or not said. “Right now” is just 1 of those phrases that can be thrown in at the end of almost every sentence in almost every conversation. It speaks more to comfortability with the person/people you’re talking to more than anything else.

so it’s not surprising he would use that phrase when talking to a single guy like Jim Trotter....someone he’s probably known for years...vs a thirsty mob of media types asking him the same damn question over and over.

For the record I believe there will be an attempt to trade DW4 sometime around the draft. Whether or not it actually comes together is another matter. If it doesn’t, I’m confident that NC will be more than fine with letting DW4 sit the entire season if that’s what he chooses. So The posturing by the FO and by extension Culley isn’t b/c as another of these moronic talking heads have said “desperate and praying he comes back into the fold” although I believe they’d accept him with open arms if he chose to. The posturing is to shift all this onto DW4 and the market itself; basically saying to him we’re not trading you just for your sake & because you asked us to...& to other teams.....if you want him, come correct. I just hate to see Culley getting ripped apart and called clueless b/c he’s not telling everyone what they want to hear and how they want to hear it. Best believe he knows the ins/outs of what the plan is...he just has a **** poker face.

In that regard DW4 not the team, has a decision to make about whether or not he wants to play in the 2021 season. Word is, he’s prepared to sit the entire season............ok.

Amongst the things the FO has on their side is time...& don’t let this team mess around and be competitive next year. We will most definitely suck....but if this team winds up winning more games than we did this past year without him.....with us getting back our full compliment of picks in 2022..then the support DW4 enjoys now will begin to dry up even more. This is what’s going on with OBJ and the Browns now.
Fair enough. I think Culley was being honest in the Trotter interview. He knows they will probably make a trade before the draft when Watson's value and demand will be the highest, and he let it slip out in that interview.

He never got close to saying "right now" in the official press conference, so I'm not buying that it's just a phrase that gets thrown around in this case. If they were truly serious about playing the long game and there is no talk inside the building about potential trades, then there is no "right now" that needs to be quantified. Their position would simply be they are never making a deal and 2021 offseason is preparing like Watson will be the starting QB. And ALL of his media interactions would reflect that position.

We are not in disagreement overall. I believe he let his guard down a little with the Trotter interview. If it matters to the Texans or not is anyone's guess. I perceive it as conflicting messages between the two interviews, but that's just splitting hairs at this point.
 

Mr teX

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OK. But what does Caserio know about tanking? Caserio never endured a losing season until his last year in New England (7-9). I thought he was brought in to take the team to the next level, not tear it down to the ground.
the team was already laying on the ground face 1st with a scraped knee. All Caserio has done thus far is turn us over, sit us up and put a band aid on our scraped knee. Depending on what happens with DW4 in the near future will determine if he attempts to stand us back up on our feet now or wait until 2022 to do so. My guess is 2022. All 2021 is about is getting us going in the right direction......which he has done with the moves he’s made.
 

Norg

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i was just thinking tanking means taking in little to no free agents

tanking is cutting alll of your high paid guys and vets not signing already

olinemen
dline
Db
and two vet rb
 

Corrosion

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Go to your local grocery store freezer section and pick up some PF Changs, Zatarains and/or Bertolli's frozen meals. You'll be glad you did.
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I've tried those at my wifes request ..... I wasn't at al impressed . Maybe I'm just spoiled by my own cookin .... I make everything from scratch with fresh ingredients.
 

Mr teX

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I don't think Watson's two knees could withstand that kind of gameplan week in and week out. Plus it's not utilizing one of his greatest strengths i.e. scrambling guys open and his passing game.



Fair enough. I think Culley was being honest in the Trotter interview. He knows they will probably make a trade before the draft when Watson's value and demand will be the highest, and he let it slip out in that interview.

He never got close to saying "right now" in the official press conference, so I'm not buying that it's just a phrase that gets thrown around in this case. If they were truly serious about playing the long game and there is no talk inside the building about potential trades, then there is no "right now" that needs to be quantified. Their position would simply be they are never making a deal and 2021 offseason is preparing like Watson will be the starting QB. And ALL of his media interactions would reflect that position.

We are not in disagreement overall. I believe he let his guard down a little with the Trotter interview. If it matters to the Texans or not is anyone's guess. I perceive it as conflicting messages between the two interviews, but that's just splitting hairs at this point.
I actually just heard EVERYTHING he said in the Trotter interview as it pertains to the DW4 situation, and I actually agree with you now..he did slip up...but even with that...did he tell us anything we didn’t already think was most likely to happen?
 

Texian

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I've tried those at my wifes request ..... I wasn't at al impressed . Maybe I'm just spoiled by my own cookin .... I make everything from scratch with fresh ingredients.
Oh I much prefer my own cooking but if I'm in a hurry and want to eat in 10-15 min. they are not bad. Much better than those TV dinners which was my point. PF Changs are the best but you need to make some rice which is easy. When we were without power for 4 days they were a life saver.
 

Double Barrel

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I actually just heard EVERYTHING he said in the Trotter interview as it pertains to the DW4 situation, and I actually agree with you now..he did slip up...but even with that...did he tell us anything we didn’t already think was most likely to happen?
I agree. It's really nothing new. And I don't fault him for towing the company line at any point. He's a good soldier. He knows Watson is not going to play here after talking directly with him.

I don't see the Texans enduring this situation through an entire season and waiting until off-season 2022. It's way too much heat. So, if a trade is inevitable (speculation, of course), the most likely window will be before this year's draft in order to maximize value. It screws with their cap, but we all know the 2021 season is most likely going to be a lost cause anyway.

Culley's "slip" with Trotter might have inadvertently done them a favor in the sense that teams that are currently interested will stay interested and be ready to make a deal. Heck, if I was Caserio, I'd wait until the week of the draft and have a blind auction where any team interested sends in their best offers. Nobody would know what other teams are offering, so they'd sweeten the deal just to make the biggest impact. Just me talking, though, not like I have any clue what they will do or what other teams could offer.
 

Speedy

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However, as you & a couple others have commented regarding recent signings & restructuring, I don’t get the feeling Nick Caserio is in tank mode.
So re-signing a RB who was part of the worst run game, and a CB who was part of the worst defense is giving you the feel goods?
 


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