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Wand moves to right guard
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Ibar_Harry
All Pro
Remember, Wiegert has also played LT. This is an interesting development. Wiegert's injury has been diagnoised as an ankle sprain and not a high ankle sprain. He's been having problems with that in TC, and it appears, reinjured it in the game. Wiegert is one of our best linement and hopefully they can rest him and get his ankle healed. I for one like the fact that their finally trying some people and moving them around. I still would love to see Pitts given a try at center. Again McKinney played guard at Indy, not center.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
this is unfreaking believable 
as the days pass so do the offensive lineman. if anyone had doubts about which area of the team was most uncertain all one has to look at is this Texans offensive line. It makes me uncomfortable to even think about it, I sure hope they know what they're doing. Personally I think its a big mistake to move Wand from the LT position & Riley would be the better replacement for Weigert since he has RT experience. Where is David Baas when you need him :brickwall
as the days pass so do the offensive lineman. if anyone had doubts about which area of the team was most uncertain all one has to look at is this Texans offensive line. It makes me uncomfortable to even think about it, I sure hope they know what they're doing. Personally I think its a big mistake to move Wand from the LT position & Riley would be the better replacement for Weigert since he has RT experience. Where is David Baas when you need him :brickwall
RTP2110
All Pro
I thought the whole reason the Texans didn't draft or sign any free agents on the o-line, was to let the guys we have on the line gel for once instead of switching everyone around. Kinda hard for them to gel when there is still not a consistant line. McKinney has practiced at C & RG, Wand at LT, LG, RG, Pitts at LT & LG. Seems kinda hard to develop any chemistry like this.
rittenhouserobz
Veteran
This is a temporary stop. Next year is "the year of the OL". I believe we will draft our LT next year. I personally think Wans will eventually become our all around OL backup. Every team needs that type of player. So I would say that Wand is not a wasted pick. As far as the OL is concerned, next year should be more interesting IMHO.
I'm still campaigning to move Chester back to LT - its the most important OLbeerlover said:
position, he's played it better than anyone so far and he's got 2 years of experience there as the starter, and he's a good bet to stay in the lineup as he is one of our most injury free players (knock on wood!). We still really don't
know how Riley is gonna hold up when DC takes a deep drop for one of the wideouts to run a fly pattern - I'm gonna be holding my breath when's got to
handle the edge rusher in that scenario. But let them experiment all they want
to now because you don't want to have to do it in the reg season when a
OL starter goes down. As far as not picking up Bass or someone like him in this years draft - that's Cass call, he obviously thought PB was more important than retaining that 2 & 3 - something else we'll about when the
reg season unfolds.
beerlover said:
Agreed, although I'm sure this is a temporary fix. Weigert will start when he's back. Wand is a better back-up at the tackle and guard positions then we've had before, so that is something. He's also a better left tackle than Riley, which I think will be proven when Riley starts playing significant time in the upcoming pre-season games. I don't think he'll be able to handle a speed rusher on a consistent basis as well as Wand.
All of you act as if they are not going to have any more injuries on the offensive line. They will. One will probably go down in the Oakland game for some reason or another. Then, in the Dallas game after that, and so on. And guess what, it happen during the regular season, too.
The focus is to get the best 5 linemen on the field at the same time, so what's wrong with getting different linemen some experience at different positions. The coaching staff is trying to prepare for those eventual injury situations that are going to crop up. Don't blame them if ya'll are not prepared for it.
And what makes ya'll think that all is going to go right in the world if they draft that 'premiere' LT next year? Another unproven rookie injected into the lineup that knows zip about zone-blocking. I can hardly wait.
And besides, from the games I watched last season, with the exception of Freeney, the push came up the middle, not from the edge. So be positive, Wand might be an upgrade.
The focus is to get the best 5 linemen on the field at the same time, so what's wrong with getting different linemen some experience at different positions. The coaching staff is trying to prepare for those eventual injury situations that are going to crop up. Don't blame them if ya'll are not prepared for it.
And what makes ya'll think that all is going to go right in the world if they draft that 'premiere' LT next year? Another unproven rookie injected into the lineup that knows zip about zone-blocking. I can hardly wait.
And besides, from the games I watched last season, with the exception of Freeney, the push came up the middle, not from the edge. So be positive, Wand might be an upgrade.
blockhead83
Rookie
I'm excited about the prospect of Wand at RG, I think he may fit in well there as a backup for Weigert. It disappoints me that Riley is going to be our starting LT though. I was really hoping that Wand would win the job and show further progress this year, instead of inserting a journeyman in his place. If after four seasons we still haven't fixed the O-line to where they can atleast perform at a satisfactory level, we damn well better address it in full during next year's draft/offseason.
Marcus said:
I didn't want to say that - I'm sure people are tired of hearing me harp on Wand.
In my opinion, he's taken a lot of unfair grief for whatever reason, but I think talent and physical skills will tell in the end. The coaches are hard on him to help him reach his potential, and the fans take this to mean he can't play. It's just the opposite; they expect a lot from him and want him to get there NOW. Going up against Peek all camp with the second string had to be great preparation for this league's speed rushers, for example.
Battle Red Flash
Waterboy
Hmmm.... This gives the O-line coach another excuse. "We had guys at different positions." Doesn't every team? In 2003, we cut way down on sacks with Pitts at LT. Why did that stop?
Porky
Hall of Fame
Breaking News:
An ABP and Amber Alert has just been issued for Fred Weary. If you see the man depicted below actually blocking someone, take no immediate action as he may be being held hostage by his own unfullfilled potential. Rather, please immediately call Joe Pendry as he hasn't seen Weary on his offensive line all year long.
An ABP and Amber Alert has just been issued for Fred Weary. If you see the man depicted below actually blocking someone, take no immediate action as he may be being held hostage by his own unfullfilled potential. Rather, please immediately call Joe Pendry as he hasn't seen Weary on his offensive line all year long.
rafterticket
Waterboy
beerlover said:this is unfreaking believable
I don't think we need to be so negative about this. They think Riley's the better tackle, and with Wiegert down, we had a quality lineman to insert. That is a GOOD THING.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
the only and I mean the ONLY way this is acceptable to beerlover (third person, now thats funny ) ) is that this becomes Rileys audition only at LT & then this whole idea is put to rest. Either he's had some kind of transformation or metamorphosis into an NFL LT that I can't see or the coaches have completly lost their minds 
besides getting beat by the DE their are other factors to consider, yes one is injury's
another is false starts & penaltys Riley has a proven track record as a leader in both. while Wand as a rookie did a very solid job & after the first few games settled in nicely, very few handle Dwight Freeney. Also its all about matchups, each team has different strengths Buffalo (the season opener) has a dedicated core of LB'ers including former Texan Jeff Posey, all pro Takeo Spikes & London Fletcher. expect them to blitz alot 
) ) is that this becomes Rileys audition only at LT & then this whole idea is put to rest. Either he's had some kind of transformation or metamorphosis into an NFL LT that I can't see or the coaches have completly lost their minds besides getting beat by the DE their are other factors to consider, yes one is injury's
another is false starts & penaltys Riley has a proven track record as a leader in both. while Wand as a rookie did a very solid job & after the first few games settled in nicely, very few handle Dwight Freeney. Also its all about matchups, each team has different strengths Buffalo (the season opener) has a dedicated core of LB'ers including former Texan Jeff Posey, all pro Takeo Spikes & London Fletcher. expect them to blitz alot
rafterticket
Waterboy
After all, we only got to see them work for what - 7 plays - the other night?
We can continue this prognosistic (is that really a word?) conversation beginning Sunday. I am trying to be optimistic and believe the coaches know what they're doing. You KNOW David Carr does, too.
We can continue this prognosistic (is that really a word?) conversation beginning Sunday. I am trying to be optimistic and believe the coaches know what they're doing. You KNOW David Carr does, too.
southtexan
Waterboy
Just about any defensive player in the NFL can beat any offensive player. The fact that Wand got beat just shows that Walker is a professional, I can assure you that Wand has had the upper hand on a few occasions.BradK10 said:
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I consider this to be "not good news" no matter how it's spun. I don't have much to say about it right now though. I completely expected Seth Wand to improve this year and I'm now trying to decide how to feel about what I can only say looks like a 180 from the Texans. I don't think the best way to groom a LT is to play him at LG & RG.
So Wand isn't going to be given a second year like Chester got to improve. Do the Texans not think he's going to get better the way Pitts did? If that's so then when exactly were they talking out of their posteriors? Last year when he was lookin' good enough to toss into the mix or this year when he's losing his job to Riley but still one of our "best 5"?
If Victor Riley can walk into the Texans training camp and be one of the best 5 we have then I'm pretty concerned with what passes for a starting quality lineman on this team. That speaks volumes. It's not that I completely think we've been lied to because I don't. What I think is that we're speaking a different language than the guys putting this line together.
So Wand isn't going to be given a second year like Chester got to improve. Do the Texans not think he's going to get better the way Pitts did? If that's so then when exactly were they talking out of their posteriors? Last year when he was lookin' good enough to toss into the mix or this year when he's losing his job to Riley but still one of our "best 5"?
If Victor Riley can walk into the Texans training camp and be one of the best 5 we have then I'm pretty concerned with what passes for a starting quality lineman on this team. That speaks volumes. It's not that I completely think we've been lied to because I don't. What I think is that we're speaking a different language than the guys putting this line together.
S
SESupergenius
Guest
Can I just go ahead and say "the sky is falling" now or wait until the homers are knee deep in their search for answers when we are 2-6? Weary has been a slug from the get-go. It's No surpise he isn't working out. Wand is just what he is...potential, far from saying a great prospect. All we heard was that he is a "project", not a great prospect.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
SESupergenius said:
Nah, you go right ahead and say it now. I don't think of myself as a full-on "homer" but I do consider myself generally optimistic. I don't like the way this feels at all though.
You go ahead and speak your piece about that sky falling. Something's definitely falling here. It might not be the sky that's falling but something's coming down.
Hervoyel said:
I agree with you that Wand should be at LT because Riley isn't the answer. Starting Riley is an indication of a problem somewhere. If he had been doing as many reps against Peek as Wand has that would be obvious to everyone. Riley doesn't have the lateral speed required for LT.
Wand makes the highlights when a rusher runs him over; the times I've seen Riley get beat he frequently just whiffs - that's how to get a QB hurt, but it doesn't make an interesting replay for the news. The O-line coach has made Wand his whipping boy for some reason. Everyone from the media on down has picked up on that. Maybe it's just the only way the coach knows how to try to get Wand to improve.
I still think Riley getting more reps in the upcoming pre-season games will result in better evaluations and Wand starts at LT in Buffalo. Heck, maybe the coaches already plan this and we just don't know it.
southtexan
Waterboy
Well, I'm not what you call a homer, am just an optimist. If the Texans don't win a game this season there's always next season and the season after that. I'm used to bad teams, I used to follow the Oilers religiously especially during the bad years, it took them years to became a good team.SESupergenius said:
NoBullTexan
Waterboy
Wand's problem has been, and still is INEXPERIENCE! It is not about, does he have the strength, or the legs, it is all about learning to play on the big stage. The NFL is a very long way from SW Missouri State! Now he will have had experience at every line position except OC. Not a bad thing. He will eventually get the experience thing down and become an accomplished Olineman. Maybe even at OLT.
Porky
Hall of Fame
SESupergenius said:
I'm not in "sky is falling" mode. I will wait to see the final product. But, it's becoming increasingly clear that Wand was yet another 2nd-3rd round reach by CC and company. There is not much doubt that both he and Ragone could have been had later. The 1st rd picks have been exceptional, and the 4th and later has been well above average too. But, in 4 years of drafting, we have exactly ONE player from the 2nd or 3rd round that is a quality starter. That is an absymal record. Even the lowly Browns made the playoffs in year four, without nearly as good a start. If we fail to make it this year, look no further than the stat above as the reason why. Charles Hill anyone?
Wolf
100% Texan
Porky said:I'm not in "sky is falling" mode. I will wait to see the final product. But, it's becoming increasingly clear that Wand was yet another 2nd-3rd round reach by CC and company. There is not much doubt that both he and Ragone could have been had later. The 1st rd picks have been exceptional, and the 4th and later has been well above average too. But, in 4 years of drafting, we have exactly ONE player from the 2nd or 3rd round that is a quality starter. That is an absymal record. Even the lowly Browns made the playoffs in year four, without nearly as good a start. If we fail to make it this year, look no further than the stat above as the reason why. Charles Hill anyone?
I agree our choices in 2nd and 3rd haven't been spectacular. Maybe that is why we went ahead and traded for P-Buch for a 2nd and 3rd
The Preacher
Waterboy
They're either geniuses or halfway to the asylum. I just don't know which one. 
texasguy346
Mod Squad
I don't recall hearing anyone from the organization going really in-depth into it, but I do remember hearing that they believe Pitts will be a Pro Bowl quality LG and don't want to move him around anymore. I think they realize that if they moved Pitts to LT it would make the interior of the line that much weaker.eriadoc said:
TheOgre
All Pro
I still think they are just trying to patch the LT position until this next draft. I don't think it really mattered if it was Wand or Riley. I think they knew this would likely continue to be a problem area. The only real option they have had to fix that in this offseason was Pace, and we all know how that went. They weren't able to address the position, so they have to "make do" until 2006.
I expect our offense to be basically the same as last year with a bit more seasoning. I think our defense will improve, though, and that will be the difference in a 7-9 and a 9-7 record.
I expect our offense to be basically the same as last year with a bit more seasoning. I think our defense will improve, though, and that will be the difference in a 7-9 and a 9-7 record.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
eriadoc said:
People are letting time heal all wounds on Pitts at LT. Yes he was much better than in 2002 but realistically the bar was really low. Part of his improvement in 2003 came because he decided he would rather have penalties than sacks (he openly said he held on purpose to avoid sacks in an interview) and racked up 17 penalties (8 false starts & 7 holds included) along the way. Bottom line, at the end of 2003 there was no one around here thinking Pitts was the long term answer at LT. He can be an average LT, but Riley and Wand can be that, so why move him from LG where he may be a pro-bowl type player?
TheOgre said:
They'll have to "patch it" for more than 1 year. Even if they get their franchise LT of choice in the draft, it is unlikely he would be an upgrade his first year. One of the more recent players touted as a franchise LT, Robert Gallery, will be playing for the Raiders at right tackle. It took him a while to crack the line-up, and then on the right side. It's hard to impact an NFL O-line your first year.
I just can't buy that because I still remember how well Chester played againstinfantrycak said:
Jason Taylor in the season opener in '03 - Chester was competitive and then some and his effort was a contributing factor for what may still be our biggest road win. Now Wand vs. Feeney last year, that wasn't competition that was embarrasing and there was some plays where I don't think Wand could have touched him, let alone blocked him. Chester is our best LT (no matter where they got him lining up), but for whaterver reason(s) doesn't
look like they are gonna move him out there.
In '01, rookie LT Matt Light started 15 games for New England, including their Super Bowl victory over the Rams. Not as far-fetched as it seems. Of the 18 NFL starting LTs who were 1st round picks, 9 started at LT as rookies. It happens.Bottle-O-Bud said:
CC and Dom on the O-line ...
CC: "Only 49 sacks last season ..... Its not that bad .
Dom: yeah , its better than the 72 we had in our first season and we have a tough QB .
CC: No need to upgrade the O-line this season , maybe we'll get someone in the second or third round in next years draft .
Dom: Yeah , sounds like a good idea lets go watch the grass grow .... errrr play some golf .
As much as i like what Travis Johnson brings to the Texans D i Really think the team would have been better served by taking Jammal Brown @ 13 instead . The Texans have been searching for a true LT since day one and its well beyond time they solidify the position because until they do the offense is not gonna reach its potential . Forget about play-offs until the O-line gets upgraded.
CC: "Only 49 sacks last season ..... Its not that bad .
Dom: yeah , its better than the 72 we had in our first season and we have a tough QB .
CC: No need to upgrade the O-line this season , maybe we'll get someone in the second or third round in next years draft .
Dom: Yeah , sounds like a good idea lets go watch the grass grow .... errrr play some golf .
As much as i like what Travis Johnson brings to the Texans D i Really think the team would have been better served by taking Jammal Brown @ 13 instead . The Texans have been searching for a true LT since day one and its well beyond time they solidify the position because until they do the offense is not gonna reach its potential . Forget about play-offs until the O-line gets upgraded.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
infantrycak said:
Great thread all:
My two cents worth is mearly the thought that the panick button was pushed shortly after our fab five was stuffed like grannies thanksgiving turkey against a good but not great Denver D line.
You'd figgure with four shots the blind hog would find the acorn. The waggle was open no doubt. Carr could of boot legged it in. The coaches wanted to know and they found out. With four shots at it, this group of O-lineman couldn't get it done. This is the point in time when you find out about guys. Somebody has to step up. This is a very bad 3-4 we are facing this week. They have guys outta postion and the just traded their best two players from last year. It will make a very good gauge as to where we are. Do the Texan s have that one guy they can hang there hats on in a short yardage situation ? And again I don't want to be a spoil sport, but those of you that have us sweeping Jacksonville again and splitting with the rest of the division are looking at it through rose colored glasses.In my heart I hope that happens. My head says if Buffallo's front seven rips us the first game, its's going to be a long time untill April. Buffalo has one of the better D line schemes in the league. The next worse thing is going to be if Riley stinks up the house at LT and we're back to square one. Wand goes back. There is a price to be paid when you go cheap on the O-line and things don't work out. If the second day guys come through you're a genius. If they don't, your redrafting a franchise QB. With a pool so deep next year there are a bunch of us who hope the franchise finally gets wet. Carr's wife & Moma sure would appreciate it. JMHO.