beerlover
Hall of Fame
certified injury prone, lucky to get a 6th leave it at that. makes it hard to keep spending 1st/2nd rd. picks on DL but still trying to fill hole
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Walters mock Texans
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certified injury prone, lucky to get a 6th leave it at that. makes it hard to keep spending 1st/2nd rd. picks on DL but still trying to fill hole
beerlover
Hall of Fame
never set anything in stone when it comes to the draft cause you never know whats gonna happen so I'll allow you reign in 4th-5th rd. now go out there & find someone in this range who can make Texans roster
badboy
Hall of Fame
A very interesting comparison analysis of Berry and Mays. As Berry appears to be more of a coverage type FS, I can see him going ahead of Mays in draft. For Texans needs and based on their history of safeties, it should be Mays who is bigger and can play center field as well as turn and run.http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/16605195/0/0/16608750
badboy
Hall of Fame
See post 48 above picking at # 19 .never set anything in stone when it comes to the draft cause you never know whats gonna happen so I'll allow you reign in 4th-5th rd. now go out there & find someone in this range who can make Texans roster
beerlover
Hall of Fame
just for kicks try expanding your parameters
I'll go first. Since the Texans (Kubiak) mentioned Coffee last year as the type of RB they coveted a similar style runner but not the exposure is Tulane (remember Forte) RB Andre Anderson (5-11 212). has same slim build with big frame to add weight, very athletic, good vision/instincts, downhill runner who can find the endzone. I would prefer to let him fall to Texans in the 5th but no problem taking him in 4th if he's the best available on the board.
badboy
Hall of Fame
You and some others seem quite content to hope we can land a very good runner in 4th or later. That has not worked in a very long time. I am thinking DD of couse but that was some years ago and one player who was then used until he was hurt is not something I'd hang my hat on. Players are slotted and selected into higher rounds than others because things such as weight/height, speed, dexterity/experience and past history indicate they will do better. Of course, it is gambling and many do not meet the projection and even fewer do even better than projected. My concern is the Texans current brain trust are caught in the past of "draft 'em low and coach them up." sometimes it works but many it doesn't. The last two years Smith and Kubes have said a back that can move the chains, score in the red zone and get a 1st when its 3rd and short is a priority. It should be addressed as a priority. Yet we again are talking about a 5th round but maybe a 4th? We got Slaton in 3rd and most experts were shocked he fell that low. More of a stunner was he was better than was thought as an every down back. I am saying let's not hope this can be done again. Play the odds and go for a higher pick. You may bust but odds are greater he will be a plus for our team.just for kicks try expanding your parameters
I'll go first. Since the Texans (Kubiak) mentioned Coffee last year as the type of RB they coveted a similar style runner but not the exposure is Tulane (remember Forte) RB Andre Anderson (5-11 212). has same slim build with big frame to add weight, very athletic, good vision/instincts, downhill runner who can find the endzone. I would prefer to let him fall to Texans in the 5th but no problem taking him in 4th if he's the best available on the board.
Even sillier are the comments that free agents abound that can move our team. This is said every year and every year, we are shocked that it does not work.
nero THE zero
All Pro
He's updated his mock, but didn't change any picks for us. He only changed our reasoning and stated that we give up 3 50-yard runs a game, even though we haven't given up 50 yards in a game to a RB in 4 games.
LonerATO
All Pro
Walter wont change those needs for a few more weeks
nero THE zero
All Pro
It's current as he mentions us making Alex Smith look like Joe Montana. He's just not doing his homework.
I don't have a problem with him mocking a CB to us, because if we move Quin to S and/or don't re-sign Dunta, we will certainly need to draft/sign a CB. It's just ignorant to talk down on our run defense given our performance since week 3.
LonerATO
All Pro
Im not saying that he isn't watching whats going on, but that he wont change the positions until he sees the Texans consistently stopping teams on D.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Walter is not my favorite source but usually offers deeper looks this time of year. Other sites only list top 10 at each position. It is way early to be mocking but it is something I enjoy.
What if Okoye continues to do well and Smith is happy with the stable of Dlinemen he has. No DT drafted in top 5.
Robinson and Quinn continue to get better and Smith is happy with top 3 CBs and McCain as back up. No CB drafted in top 3.
Smith is happy with Wilson who does well as rest of defense takes pressure off. Barber and Busing are good enough back ups for Smith and Kubes. Like RB, safety has not had a high priority.
Smith says his middle Oline will be Studdard, Caldwell and Myers with Brisiel and Chris White as back ups.
Whether we agree or not what will the team look for in draft based on above presumption which could happen? Again not what you want but what team will draft.
What if Okoye continues to do well and Smith is happy with the stable of Dlinemen he has. No DT drafted in top 5.
Robinson and Quinn continue to get better and Smith is happy with top 3 CBs and McCain as back up. No CB drafted in top 3.
Smith is happy with Wilson who does well as rest of defense takes pressure off. Barber and Busing are good enough back ups for Smith and Kubes. Like RB, safety has not had a high priority.
Smith says his middle Oline will be Studdard, Caldwell and Myers with Brisiel and Chris White as back ups.
Whether we agree or not what will the team look for in draft based on above presumption which could happen? Again not what you want but what team will draft.
nero THE zero
All Pro
I am.
He said, "They allow players to break three 50-yard runs in a game." When we haven't allowed a RB 50 yards in a game, much less three of them, in 4 games.
Walter is a good source of info. but I don't think that he updates his positional rankings and team needs often enough. If Smith is truly happy with our DT's, CB's, Safeties and really thinks that Studdard, Caldwell, and Myers are the answer to our O-line problems then he is alone in that opinion, needs to be fired, and this team is truly in trouble. I guess we'll be drafting lot's of TE's again. I doubt that is Smith's opinion though since his opinion is only what Kubiak tells him it is. Smith is a Kubiak puppet.
We can come up with lots of mocks based on team needs but it's a crap shoot since Smith/Kubiak will draft based on halucinigenic mushrooms they eat the night before.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Just for fun, Kubiac seems to be ok with the changes made by D C and D line coach with lighter faster DTs. Okam time seems to have been reduced even more. If the success of these guys continue I could see a draft for that type of DT. Suh and Arthur Jones should be gone by the time we select, but that leaves several DTs avail in 2nd round.
Corners: Reeves is solid. If DR continues his growth, what will have changed from them tagging him? One year older but a year younger than ASO. He could still get a multi year deal or be tagged. There are your starters with Quinn backing. I will be ok if a CB goes in first but not shocked due to depth if one is taken later.
This is assuming that Dunta is re-signed.
Smithiak will let him walk. IMO
The money saved by not resigning Dunta will be spent on Ryans,Daniels,Walter and maybe Pitts.
If Dunta isn't resigned CB will become a priority in the draft and FA. IMO
I disagree with your first point, I think Smith will try to re-sing Dunta because they don't want to let him walk and get nothing for him. Hopefully they talk some sense into him and show him that he's not worth the contract they offered him last year and can sign him for a reasonable offer and then trade him for a 2nd round pick. They could also use a transition tag on him, reducing his salary and making him easier to trade. This move would probably really piss him off and he'd be a holdout like this year. I'm actually 50/50 on whether or not Dunta will be back next year, he's a very good #2 CB but only an average #1 CB, there's definite room for improvement. I agree with your last statement though, if he's not re-signed then CB becomes our highest priority in FA and the draft. Hopefully we can pick Joe Haden.
Badboy made a good point, if our undersized DT's keep improving and this system works there's a good chance the Texans may not go after a huge NT/DT and actually may not pick a DT at all in the draft. They may decide that Okoye is an every down DT and that Robinson, Okam, Cody, etc... will make an effective rotation at the other DT spot. They could also move Smith inside next to Okoye and if Barwin improves play him full time at the other DE cause he should be bigger and just as fast next year. I wouldn't have a problem if they didn't take a DT at all since the additions of Pollard and Cushing we've been much better able to stop the run. This would allow us to focus more heavily on the O-line and secondary, the teams 2 biggest needs. It's sad though that everything we do or speculate on is dependant on what happens with Dunta.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Agree! I am trying to not allow my feelings about DR holding out, influence me. You say he is a #2 CB and I agree but on this team he plays #1. He needs to improve greatly from now on to get a high $ contract. If he does fine as he might be worth the money. I really would take a high to middle 2nd round for him today.
We should not lose sight of Glover Quinn who is doing all right. I am not sure if a CB will be available to us that will be a starter, even Haden. I do agree if DR is not on team & no trade is made for a CB, then our first round selection should be a corner.
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
We will get a 3rd round compensatory pick out of Dunta when he signs with another team.
badboy
Hall of Fame
How do we get a 3rd? I thought we had to lose in the next off season more to free agency than we signed the year before. DR should be the only high calibre player we lose (if we do lose him) and the signed starting DE Antonio Smith which should cancel out DR. Shaun Cody was another signed as a solid DT with playing time as is our back up QB Orslovsky.
We signed one starter FA and at least four backups in Grossman, O, Cody and Cato June. Others such as Khari I am unsure if still on team. The way I understand Comp picks we don't get any by just losing DR. Much better to trade him.
Supporting links http://walterfootball.com/offseason2009hou.php
http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2009/03/projecting-2009-compensatory-nfl-draft.html
I understand your point that Glover Quin is showing some promise for the future but so did Fred Bennett his rookie year and now most people would like to see him gone. I don't like the idea of relying on Quin's improvement. I'd like to see the Texans go after Haden and then if Quin does continue to improve we're pleasantly surprised and have the added depth at a weak position. It's sad that our whole draft revolves around whether or not Dunta stays or goes. I also don't want us to wait til the 3rd round to get a Guard, I think Guard is a bigger need than Safety and I'd like to see it addressed in the 2nd and 4th rounds. I think Pollard has filled SS well enough that we can wait another year for a great coverage SS and we can address FS in the 3rd round since Wilson is still under contract for 2 more years. Hopefully the Texans can figure a way to get an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick, we need the extra quality talent on this team. Maybe we sign and trade Dunta, maybe a compensatory pick, or maybe we trade a decent player for picks.
Who would you guys trade to get picks in the draft and what do you honestly think we'd get for the player?
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beerlover
Hall of Fame
they traded Travis for a 6th. it's really hard to do & get decent value. the Texans have no shot @ Haden where they will select, if they could find a team willing to swap 1st's (low 20's for low teen's) & Dunta Robinson that's an option, but god that's like months away, maybe all the way into the 10th pick draft day
badboy
Hall of Fame
i agree on Quinn compared to Bennett. I think our O line will be different later this season and for sure next year. I see Studdard at LG (he is a fighter and is doing better) Caldwell C and Myers RG with Brisiel and White the back ups. Pitts gone. So I do not see a OG before 4th and I have Thomas Austin Clemson OG/C/T there 6'3" 310 5.16. I then have Eric Olsen with one of our 5ths (I'm hoping TJ plays well enought to move it from a 6th). Olsen Notre Dame C who started 12 in 2008 before coach moved to center. 6'4" 305 5.26. I think the realignment of the Oline as I described lower the priority for guards which usually do not go high. There are just too many tackles that get moved to G in the NFL.
I don't see a compensatory pick coming to Texans if we lose DR. I would love a 2nd for him though. He is the only starter I'd trade for picks.
LonerATO
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Walt has the Texans taking Earl Thomas in the 1st round and I can see that. I have been high on the kid this whole year and at the start of the season I thought he was 2nd rd talent. I now believe that after watching almost ever Texas game that this kid is high 1st rd talent and I like it.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I've been telling you guys...
I still think Thomas stays at least one more year at Texas though.
badboy
Hall of Fame
For some reason I never get to see much play by this player. If he can be rated by NFL as a 1st round he should come out. He has the stats
nero THE zero
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Earl Thomas FS
Trevard Lindley CB
Toby Gerhart RB
Uh, yea, where do I sign up?
Trevard Lindley CB
Toby Gerhart RB
Uh, yea, where do I sign up?
badboy
Hall of Fame
Done deal! I dont think Gerhart will be there in round 3 for us & I'd really like to get Ogahbaase DT somehow, Neal out of Purdue is on my radar now 6'3" 302 4.96 DT/DE check the review
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=78271&draftyear=2010&genpos=DT
The thing with player progress it is hard to narrow down what we will do.
DT; new rotation seems to be doing well against pretty good running backs. Is Okam working his way off the team or will Kubes be satisfied with roster and not draft a DT? There will be some interesting FA choices out there & Smith maybe pumped at how well the A. SMith pickup is doing. Cody is ok also.
Safeties: Pollard has looked pretty solid and not a flash in the pan. Wilson looking good after healing. Will Quinn be moved to safety or continue to flourish at corner?
Guards? WHo is not impressed with the better play of Studdard and Caldwell?
RB? Well yeah but if Moats can keep up the pace and Slaton can be used more appropriately & hang on to the ball, we've got our 3 back rotation and Foster may develop like I thought he would.
Maybe we can just sell all our picks to Darryl Morey?
Blake
MMQB
He really should stay one more year. I dont think his body is ready for the NFL IMO. Another year of weight trainging and conditioning would be really good for him.
But with Colt leaving, he might think that now is a good time to go.
badboy
Hall of Fame
If NFL give him a first round rating would you tell him to stay in college? He is 20.
bah007
Hall of Fame
If he comes out right now the NFL will plug him in at CB. He needs to add some weight to his frame if he wants to be a NFL FS.
It's really up to him as to which one he would prefer.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Depends on what position he wants to play in the pros.
Want to play CB? Go now.
Want to play FS? Stay another year and get bigger.