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Walter Cherry Pick

awtysst

awtysst

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I thought it would be fun to do a quick Walter Cherry Pick. Want to do it with me, it would be fun.

Here are the rules:
1. No trades. Gotta make the pick in the slot the Texans have.

2. Cannot take picks before the Texans pick. Essentially what I mean is, if the player is taken in the 2nd round before the Texans pick, they cannot be chosen in the second r subsquent rounds but could be taken in the first round.

3.Only rounds 1-6.

4. Have fun!

Here we go. I will include 2 picks per round: W for Walter and A for Awtysst

1.W: Aldon Smith, DE/OLB, Missouri
A: Cameron Jordan, DE/DT, California
Big time, proven high motor relentless 3-4 DE in the mold of a Shaun Ellis would be better than a OLB with potential would in essence be a project.

2.W: Stephen Paea, NT, Oregon State
A: Brandon Harris, CB, Miami
I see Paea as a 4-3DT. He is not a 3-4 DE or a 3-4 NT. Harris is a 1st rounder who should not be here. I will take the BPA.

3. W: Davon House, CB, New Mexico State
A: Chris Carter, DE/OLB, Fresno State
I like House, but I prefer Harris overall. Harris is a tad shorter, but he is a solid lock down type of CB. Carter presents a wonderful OLB prospect.

4. W: Ahmad Black, S, Florida
A: Jeremy Beal. OLB Oklahoma
If any of my picks are controversial this is may be it. Beal was a football player at Oklahoma. Sure he had a bad combine. Yes his senior bowl wasn't great. But he is a high motor, relentless player. He was the Big XII DL Player of the year. In the 4th round, I will take a chance on Jeremy Beal.

5. W:Lawrence Guy, DE/DT, Arizona State
A: Stephen Burton, WR, West Texas A&M
My WR sleeper who I think is the Real Deal. Good hands, good speed, good size.

6. W:Jerrard Tarrant, S, Georgia Tech
A:Mario Harvey, ILB, Marshall
Hopefully Mario would be a great depth player to backup Demeco and Cush inside. If, Meco is not ready to start at the beginning of the season, Mario can compete for a starting spot next to Cush.
 
awtysst said:
I thought it would be fun to do a quick Walter Cherry Pick. Want to do it with me, it would be fun.

Here are the rules:
1. No trades. Gotta make the pick in the slot the Texans have.

2. Cannot take picks before the Texans pick. Essentially what I mean is, if the player is taken in the 2nd round before the Texans pick, they cannot be chosen in the second r subsquent rounds but could be taken in the first round.

3.Only rounds 1-6.

4. Have fun!

Here we go. I will include 2 picks per round: W for Walter and A for Awtysst

1.W: Aldon Smith, DE/OLB, Missouri
A: Cameron Jordan, DE/DT, California
Big time, proven high motor relentless 3-4 DE in the mold of a Shaun Ellis would be better than a OLB with potential would in essence be a project.

2.W: Stephen Paea, NT, Oregon State
A: Brandon Harris, CB, Miami
I see Paea as a 4-3DT. He is not a 3-4 DE or a 3-4 NT. Harris is a 1st rounder who should not be here. I will take the BPA.

3. W: Davon House, CB, New Mexico State
A: Chris Carter, DE/OLB, Fresno State
I like House, but I prefer Harris overall. Harris is a tad shorter, but he is a solid lock down type of CB. Carter presents a wonderful OLB prospect.

4. W: Ahmad Black, S, Florida
A: Jeremy Beal. OLB Oklahoma
If any of my picks are controversial this is may be it. Beal was a football player at Oklahoma. Sure he had a bad combine. Yes his senior bowl wasn't great. But he is a high motor, relentless player. He was the Big XII DL Player of the year. In the 4th round, I will take a chance on Jeremy Beal.

5. W:Lawrence Guy, DE/DT, Arizona State
A: Stephen Burton, WR, West Texas A&M
My WR sleeper who I think is the Real Deal. Good hands, good speed, good size.

6. W:Jerrard Tarrant, S, Georgia Tech
A:Mario Harvey, ILB, Marshall
Hopefully Mario would be a great depth player to backup Demeco and Cush inside. If, Meco is not ready to start at the beginning of the season, Mario can compete for a starting spot next to Cush.
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you need to include same source (Version of Walters) to compare equally. IMO
 
awtysst said:
I thought it would be fun to do a quick Walter Cherry Pick. Want to do it with me, it would be fun.

Here are the rules:
1. No trades. Gotta make the pick in the slot the Texans have.

2. Cannot take picks before the Texans pick. Essentially what I mean is, if the player is taken in the 2nd round before the Texans pick, they cannot be chosen in the second r subsquent rounds but could be taken in the first round.

3.Only rounds 1-6.

4. Have fun!

Here we go. I will include 2 picks per round: W for Walter and A for Awtysst

1.W: Aldon Smith, DE/OLB, Missouri
A: Cameron Jordan, DE/DT, California
Big time, proven high motor relentless 3-4 DE in the mold of a Shaun Ellis would be better than a OLB with potential would in essence be a project.
BL: Cameron Jordan we are in total agreement from the start to finish
2.W: Stephen Paea, NT, Oregon State
A: Brandon Harris, CB, Miami
I see Paea as a 4-3DT. He is not a 3-4 DE or a 3-4 NT. Harris is a 1st rounder who should not be here. I will take the BPA.
BL: Brandon Harris would give Texans a nice pair of CB's for the future
3. W: Davon House, CB, New Mexico State
A: Chris Carter, DE/OLB, Fresno State
I like House, but I prefer Harris overall. Harris is a tad shorter, but he is a solid lock down type of CB. Carter presents a wonderful OLB prospect.
BL: Kenrick Ellis, NT, Hampton
With Jordan in 1st I want to finish front 3 & move Jordan around between OLB & DE duties, keeping defenses guessing. Ellis is raw but athletically powerful & intriquing.
4. W: Ahmad Black, S, Florida
A: Jeremy Beal. OLB Oklahoma
If any of my picks are controversial this is may be it. Beal was a football player at Oklahoma. Sure he had a bad combine. Yes his senior bowl wasn't great. But he is a high motor, relentless player. He was the Big XII DL Player of the year. In the 4th round, I will take a chance on Jeremy Beal.
BL: Shiloh Keo, SS/ST, Idaho
Love his attitude, think he could contribute early & become a fan favorite.5. W:& BL: Lawrence Guy, DE/DT, Arizona State I know I'm DL heavy but I want to out muscle people for a change & be more physical
A: Stephen Burton, WR, West Texas A&M
My WR sleeper who I think is the Real Deal. Good hands, good speed, good size.
6. W:Jerrard Tarrant, S, Georgia Tech
A:& BL: Mario Harvey, ILB, Marshall
Hopefully Mario would be a great depth player to backup Demeco and Cush inside. If, Meco is not ready to start at the beginning of the season, Mario can compete for a starting spot next to Cush. I think he could also become a very disruptive OLB with his 4.4 speed?
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K, thanks for your efforts
 
awtysst said:
1.W: Aldon Smith, DE/OLB, Missouri
HT: Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
Prince starts on day one. We can add 2 veteran stud safeties for the same price it would take to get one of the top 3 CB's in free agency.

2.W: Stephen Paea, NT, Oregon State
HT: Quinton Carter, FS/SS/CB, Oklahoma
Versatile player that can play 3 positions in the secondary. He's got good hands, good speed, great instincts & good size. He has the skills of a FS, but plays like a SS.

3. W: Davon House, CB, New Mexico State
HT: Chris Carter, DE/OLB, Fresno State
Carter presents a wonderful OLB prospect. I agree.

4. W: Ahmad Black, S, Florida
HT: Denarius Moore. WR Tennessee
Sure handed WR with good speed & is a very capable downfield blocker.

5. W:Lawrence Guy, DE/DT, Arizona State
HT: Jerrell Powe, NT, Ole Miss
Powe gives us the NT that we're lacking. He's strong & can hold the POA while collapsing the pocket.

6. W:Jerrard Tarrant, S, Georgia Tech
HT:Mario Harvey, ILB, Marshall
Hopefully Mario would be a great depth player to backup Demeco and Cush inside. If, Meco is not ready to start at the beginning of the season, Mario can compete for a starting spot next to Cush. I agree.
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Here's how I would do it.
 
Here's mine from their 4/18 mock: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81151

1. DE Cameron Jordan - California
Experienced, non-stop hustle beast with the pedigree. Although may not technically be a "starter" his rookie season, he will see as many snaps as most 1st rounders and make just as big an impact. Can line up at DE and DT and will develop along with Mario as our two franchise DEs in route to a dominant DL.

2. CB Davon House - New Mexico St.
Wade and Smith will like House better than the other corners available as he has better size and actually is more technically sound. Will use him outside in man-coverage as opposed to some of the other CBs that aren't as good in man. House and Jackson could develop into a good tandem with Quin moving to FS and having the ability to come up to the LOS and cover slot receivers. We'll still look to add a veteran CB through free agency when it opens up and will see a very quick turnaround in the performance of the secondary.

3. ILB/OLB Chris Carter - Fresno St.
Carter will be moving from DE to LB in the NFL. While many believe the natural transition for such a player is to OLB, Drew Boylhart believes Carter will be a Pro-Bowl ILB in the 3-4. Demeco, Cush, Carter and Sharpton will give us incredible flexibility. Meco is wait and see and Carter may end up starting inplace of him if 59 isn't ready. Wade could also use Cush on the outside in some situations and the Rookie Carter will have the ability to play Outside in some situations too. This is a great selection for the longterm betterment of the team, and should impact this season as well. Not to mention Wade coached him in the East/West Shrine game - if he's here in the 3rd... he's a Texan.

4. OL Jah Reid - Central Florida
Incredible size, strength and foot speed with great passblocking technique. As coach of the West, Wade saw his defense go up against Reid. Good value here in the 4th round to back up Brown and Winston and could even kick in to LG. In Houston we're well aware of what bad O-line play looks like and that's not something I ever want to see again. There are questions surrounding Butler's return and whether he's back or not, Reid has a definite place on the Texans.

5. SS Shiloh Keo - Idaho
Keo will make an impact immediately on special teams. Additionally, he'll battle with Nolan and likely a FA (Gerald Sensabaugh?) for the SS position. He is tough and has great football instincts. He'll be a true football player for us and become a fan favorite.

6. NT Chris Neild - West Virginia
I didn't see Neild listed in any round and would be a steal in the 6th round, IMO. Looks to be just the kind of NT that Wade Phillips would like. Can develop behind Mitchell and Cody.
 
#1: Aldon Smith, OLB.
I can't go past our second biggest need a pass rushing OLB and he is probably in my mind a higher ceiling player than anyone else. I was tempted by Watt but there is more talent at DE on the Texans than at OLB.

#2 Rahim Moore, S.
Really tempted to stick with Paea to play the nose but our biggest need for a couple of years has been a quality safety. With that in mind I take the best available.

#3 Dontay Moch, OLB.
With Barwin no gaurantee to come back as what he was, I double up at OLB.

#4 Sione Fua, DT.
Really needed to get another body here and Fua is a good prospect.

#5 Lawrence Guy, DE.
Needs some technique work to refine the physical skills he has but Kollar is good at what he does and I think he can make magic happen.

#6 Mario Harvey, ILB.
Too much value to pass up and depth if Demeco isn't fully back or Cush doesn't work in the middle.
 
I personally think Dontay Moch will be a bust in the NFL. I just don't think his game translates. And there is only one way that I would be okay with risking a pick on him. And that would be if we had already hit OLB earlier and then came back later and grabbed him as Kiwi has in his mock.

That way if he does bust then we still have a guy like Smith. But if he does end up working out then we just walked out of the draft with two starting OLBs. Even I can admit that Moch is an elite athlete. If we take him, I hope he works out.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I think he has the athletic skill that even as a situational pass rusher only he can play a role on a defense.
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That's why I would like to address OLB before selecting him.

If we take a guy like Smith in the 1st or a guy like Acho in the 2nd then I am totally fine with Moch in the 3rd. Because he would have a role on our defense. I just think that situational pass rusher is his ceiling.
 
There's several of us on here that are infatuated with Brooks Reed. I think THE single best course of action would be for us to trade down and select him. I really really do think he's going to be an incredible OLB; he and Barwin would be awesome together.

But - what if we can't and just take him at #11!!? I'm not saying he's the second coming of Clay Matthews but nobody would be blaming a team right now if Clay went 11 overall even though during the draft everyone thought he would be in the 2nd half. My point is, if the Texans believe Reed has what it takes to be elite, then they shouldn't eff around. Some teams will have certain players rated higher than others.

will be interesting!!
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
There's several of us on here that are infatuated with Brooks Reed. I think THE single best course of action would be for us to trade down and select him. I really really do think he's going to be an incredible OLB; he and Barwin would be awesome together.

But - what if we can't and just take him at #11!!? I'm not saying he's the second coming of Clay Matthews but nobody would be blaming a team right now if Clay went 11 overall even though during the draft everyone thought he would be in the 2nd half. My point is, if the Texans believe Reed has what it takes to be elite, then they shouldn't eff around. Some teams will have certain players rated higher than others.

will be interesting!!
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Here's my theory. If you have a guy rated at or very near the top of your board and he fills a need, take him. If you like a guy so much that you can't afford to not have him then you take him wherever you are at.

If you think you can trade down and still get him, then by all means do it. But by doing that you risk losing him. If you don't want to take that risk you take him right there at #11. Because your perception of his value is probably different than all the other teams.

I think too often the media and fans get obsessed with "value" and where a guy should go. But this value is just perceived. All the teams see the prospects a little bit differently. It's not like the 32 teams take Mel Kiper's rankings and apply it to their big board.
 
bah007 said:
Here's my theory. If you have a guy rated at or very near the top of your board and he fills a need, take him. If you like a guy so much that you can't afford to not have him then you take him wherever you are at.

If you think you can trade down and still get him, then by all means do it. But by doing that you risk losing him. If you don't want to take that risk you take him right there at #11. Because your perception of his value is probably different than all the other teams.

I think too often the media and fans get obsessed with "value" and where a guy should go. But this value is just perceived. All the teams see the prospects a little bit differently. It's not like the 32 teams take Mel Kiper's rankings and apply it to their big board.
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I prescribe to your theory. As fans of the draft it's so easy to get that "value" of where a Mel Kiper has the prospect ranked. And that's rarely consistent team to team.

I just saw on espn some draft talk between Kiper and McShay that was interesting. Kiper says he thinks Brooks Reed is being overrated with the talk of going late 1st. He thinks Reed should got mid to late 2nd round, and that would be a good pick. McShay on the other hand thinks Reed is undervalued. Says he likes the comparisons to Clay Matthews but that he's not Clay, he's just a step below him. That 1st round talk is accurate for Reed.

Kiper's rebuttal was: so you think he's a step below Clay... now where did Clay get selected? Late 1st. I yelled at the tv that it really has no relevance! It's too hard to compare what players are available and what needs there were between two different drafts and the teams in those spots. More importantly.... the Packers got a STEAL with Clay. I wanted to tell Kiper "well where SHOULD Clay have gone? Top 10 easily." All else equal if Reed is a step behind Clay then mid-late first isn't so far out there. lol
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I prescribe to your theory. As fans of the draft it's so easy to get that "value" of where a Mel Kiper has the prospect ranked. And that's rarely consistent team to team.

I just saw on espn some draft talk between Kiper and McShay that was interesting. Kiper says he thinks Brooks Reed is being overrated with the talk of going late 1st. He thinks Reed should got mid to late 2nd round, and that would be a good pick. McShay on the other hand thinks Reed is undervalued. Says he likes the comparisons to Clay Matthews but that he's not Clay, he's just a step below him. That 1st round talk is accurate for Reed.

Kiper's rebuttal was: so you think he's a step below Clay... now where did Clay get selected? Late 1st. I yelled at the tv that it really has no relevance! It's too hard to compare what players are available and what needs there were between two different drafts and the teams in those spots. More importantly.... the Packers got a STEAL with Clay. I wanted to tell Kiper "well where SHOULD Clay have gone? Top 10 easily." All else equal if Reed is a step behind Clay then mid-late first isn't so far out there. lol
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love draft talk. I'll tell where Clay should have gone, #15
 
bah007 said:
Here's my theory. If you have a guy rated at or very near the top of your board and he fills a need, take him. If you like a guy so much that you can't afford to not have him then you take him wherever you are at.

If you think you can trade down and still get him, then by all means do it. But by doing that you risk losing him. If you don't want to take that risk you take him right there at #11. Because your perception of his value is probably different than all the other teams.

I think too often the media and fans get obsessed with "value" and where a guy should go. But this value is just perceived. All the teams see the prospects a little bit differently. It's not like the 32 teams take Mel Kiper's rankings and apply it to their big board.
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I couldn't agree with you more. This is one of the things that puzzles me so much when someone tells me I'm taking so & so player too early. It's all subjective.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
There's several of us on here that are infatuated with Brooks Reed. players rated higher than others.
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He's a tall, fair-complexion white guy who physically looks quite a bit like Matthews, especially in a football uniform. Don't you think that's the appeal ?
Guys like Von Miller and Robert Quinn are the ones who are probably gonna play like Matthews, though they don't look too much like him.
 
I dont pay attention to rankings. Although Rick and Gary seem to do this.

If there's a player on the board that a team likes they should just take him and not worry about a players perceived value. GM's (Casserly) that try to get cute and play the value game usually end up getting burned.

A good GM should only look at value 2 ways.
1. If you're at 11 and you have 4 players that you like then trade down to no lower than 15 and you're assured of getting the guy you like.

2. If there's a player you like that you like that has dropped for whatever reason. Then trading up and receiving maximum value for your guy should also be an option.

I'm a big proponent of trading back into rds 1/2. Because it gives your team the opportunity to draft 2/3 impact players from a draft. If you do this properly you end up like the Packers. (#8 Raji, #22 Matthews) Then you can spend the rest of the picks you didn't trade looking for depth players. Or if you get lucky and your scouts do a good job. Maybe you add a couple of late rd starters like the Packers did. (Starks,Quarless,Driver Etc...)
 
JimBaker488 said:
I don't think he'll be a bust. I think he'll be a flaming, glorious bust.
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Rd 3/4 would seem to be about right for Moch. If the Texans take him. That means Wade saw something he liked in Moch at the East/West game. So I will defer to Wades judgement on this.

What makes you think Moch will bust? He's raw but very talented. Have you watched any of his games. At DE he has a great 1st step. (Very explosive playmaker)
 
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