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Wade Phillips to coach at the East-West Shrine game

Lucky

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Though he's taken the job as the new defensive coordinator for the Texans, Wade Phillips will honor his commitment to the Shrine game and coach the West squad on January 22nd.

I think this is a good thing, as it will allow Phillips to get some hands-on evaluation of some mid-late round defensive prospects. On the West roster, some of the higher rated defensive players include:


Dontay Moch - OLB - Nevada - Undersized DE who projects as a 3-4 OLB in the NFL. Had an astounding 71 career TFL.

Jeron Johnson - FS - Boise State - 4 year starter and the Broncos leading tackler for the past 3 seasons. Played SS at Boise, but projects to FS in the NFL.

Korey Lindsey - CB - Southern Illinois - Two time FCS All American who totaled 14 career interceptions.

Ian Williams - NT - Notre Dame - 3 year starter for a much improved Fighting Irish defense. A true NT.

Chris Carter - OLB - Fresno State - Played both DE and OLB for the Bulldogs, picking up 11 sacks in his senior season. Projects to a 3-4 OLB in the NFL.

The last Texans staff to coach an all star game was in Capers & crew in the 2003 Senior Bowl. The Texans drafted 3 players out of that game (Joppru, Wand, and Domanick Davis). Don't be surprised if Phillips and the Texans fall in love with some of these players he's coaching up in the Shrine game.
 
Lucky said:
Though he's taken the job as the new defensive coordinator for the Texans, Wade Phillips will honor his commitment to the Shrine game and coach the West squad on January 22nd.

I think this is a good thing, as it will allow Phillips to get some hands-on evaluation of some mid-late round defensive prospects. On the West roster, some of the higher rated defensive players include:


Dontay Moch - OLB - Nevada - Undersized DE who projects as a 3-4 OLB in the NFL. Had an astounding 71 career TFL.

Jeron Johnson - FS - Boise State - 4 year starter and the Broncos leading tackler for the past 3 seasons. Played SS at Boise, but projects to FS in the NFL.

Korey Lindsey - CB - Southern Illinois - Two time FCS All American who totaled 14 career interceptions.

Ian Williams - NT - Notre Dame - 3 year starter for a much improved Fighting Irish defense. A true NT.

Chris Carter - OLB - Fresno State - Played both DE and OLB for the Bulldogs, picking up 11 sacks in his senior season. Projects to a 3-4 OLB in the NFL.

The last Texans staff to coach an all star game was in Capers & crew in the 2003 Senior Bowl. The Texans drafted 3 players out of that game (Joppru, Wand, and Domanick Davis). Don't be surprised if Phillips and the Texans fall in love with some of these players he's coaching up in the Shrine game.
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I agree with you, maybe two or three of those guys you named could become Texans. :)
 
Lucky said:
The last Texans staff to coach an all star game was in Capers & crew in the 2003 Senior Bowl. The Texans drafted 3 players out of that game (Joppru, Wand, and Domanick Davis). Don't be surprised if Phillips and the Texans fall in love with some of these players he's coaching up in the Shrine game.
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That list ..... :Caperspalm:
 
Corrosion said:
That list ..... :Caperspalm:
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to be fair, Joppru's body asploding on him for three years straight was totally unexpected, and Davis getting his Brandon Roy on before Brandon Roy ever did was more on the coaches.

Wand was a whiff through yeah.
 
gg no re said:
to be fair, Joppru's body asploding on him for three years straight was totally unexpected, and Davis getting his Brandon Roy on before Brandon Roy ever did was more on the coaches.

Wand was a whiff through yeah.
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I agree. Joppru was totally unpredictable, and no one can deny that when DD/DW was able to play he was great.
 
Lucky said:
Though he's taken the job as the new defensive coordinator for the Texans, Wade Phillips will honor his commitment to the Shrine game and coach the West squad on January 22nd.

I think this is a good thing, as it will allow Phillips to get some hands-on evaluation of some mid-late round defensive prospects. On the West roster, some of the higher rated defensive players include:


Dontay Moch - OLB - Nevada - Undersized DE who projects as a 3-4 OLB in the NFL. Had an astounding 71 career TFL.

Jeron Johnson - FS - Boise State - 4 year starter and the Broncos leading tackler for the past 3 seasons. Played SS at Boise, but projects to FS in the NFL.

Korey Lindsey - CB - Southern Illinois - Two time FCS All American who totaled 14 career interceptions.

Ian Williams - NT - Notre Dame - 3 year starter for a much improved Fighting Irish defense. A true NT.

Chris Carter - OLB - Fresno State - Played both DE and OLB for the Bulldogs, picking up 11 sacks in his senior season. Projects to a 3-4 OLB in the NFL.

The last Texans staff to coach an all star game was in Capers & crew in the 2003 Senior Bowl. The Texans drafted 3 players out of that game (Joppru, Wand, and Domanick Davis). Don't be surprised if Phillips and the Texans fall in love with some of these players he's coaching up in the Shrine game.
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Joppru was unlucky. Can't faulot Capers there.

DD was a 3rd down back who became our primary RB and surpassed all expectations. A good pick if you ask me.

Wand...Yeah. That was awful.
 
This can only be a good thing.

This team needs to get serious about finding an answer at DT and safety. I've said a few times before and will probably say again, the point of 3/4 Defense is having 4 good linebackers. Ryans off an achilles injury and Cushing off the OJ is pretty much like having 4 good linebackers. Oh and Barwin becoming what he should've been in the first place off a broken ankle himself. Grand. And no DT. And no FS. Oh and how about the "situation" at corner?

We don't need Wade Phillips. We need Jesus Christ.
 
I think that Cameron Jordan is another player they will look closely at.
 
This Dontay Moch out of Nevada is one of the more highly hyped defensive players in this draft, and I'm seeing a lot of analysts say he's a classic -
that is a classic workout warrior who is a total zero in the department of football instincts. Me ? I have no idea, so he's one guy I'm gonna be watching closely.
 
IDEXAN said:
This Dontay Moch out of Nevada is one of the more highly hyped defensive players in this draft, and I'm seeing a lot of analysts say he's a classic -
that is a classic workout warrior who is a total zero in the department of football instincts. Me ? I have no idea, so he's one guy I'm gonna be watching closely.
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Moch is one of those guys that put up great numbers in college, but some scouts are concerned that he won't do the same in the NFL.

He played in the WAC and went up against probably zero future NFL linemen. I've read in some places that he might run in the 4.3s at the combine.

I haven't really scouted him personally. The only game of his I watched was against Boise St. He got an assist on a sack, but that is really all he did the whole game. He seems entirely dependent on beating the OT to the edge. And if he doesn't then the play is over for him.

I've only seen him once though.
 
Marvin Austin is in the E/W Shrine game, but i believe he projects to a 4/3 DT more so than a 3/4 DT? Or could he be a Ratliff Candidate?
 
bah007 said:
Moch is one of those guys that put up great numbers in college, but some scouts are concerned that he won't do the same in the NFL.

He played in the WAC and went up against probably zero future NFL linemen. I've read in some places that he might run in the 4.3s at the combine.

I haven't really scouted him personally. The only game of his I watched was against Boise St. He got an assist on a sack, but that is really all he did the whole game. He seems entirely dependent on beating the OT to the edge. And if he doesn't then the play is over for him.

I've only seen him once though.
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That sounds about right from what I have seen on him. If he cant beat the OL with speed to the outside, he cant get to the QB. He has no instincts whatsoever against the run, and I shudder to think about him in pass coverage. Still, his physical attributes are worth drafting in the middle rounds. Unfortunately, someone will fall in love with the measurables and take him well before then.
 
IDEXAN said:
This Dontay Moch out of Nevada is one of the more highly hyped defensive players in this draft...
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Moch was very productive in college as a DE. But, he measured at 6'1" 229 lbs at the Shrine game. And that's undersized for even a 3-4 OLB. Size will be the biggest knock on Moch come draft day.
 
Lucky said:
Moch was very productive in college as a DE. But, he measured at 6'1" 229 lbs at the Shrine game. And that's undersized for even a 3-4 OLB. Size will be the biggest knock on Moch come draft day.
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Not LB but strong-safety size, right ? And look for Von Miller to come in at the same kind of weight/dimensions when he reports for the Senior Bowl next week and the Indy Combine next month.
 
beerlover said:
I agree with you, maybe two or three of those guys you named could become Texans. :)
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No doubt. Wade will pick at least one guy from this game that he MUST have. Whether it be Moch, Winterswyk or one of the DT's.

Also I do not see Ian Williams listed on the roster. I think he is playing the senior bowl.
 
IDEXAN said:
Miami (FL) defensive back Demarcus Van Dyke- Houston Texans
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Fresno State outside linebacker Chris Carter- Jacksonville Jaguars, Tennessee Titans, Houston Texans
http://www.catscratchreader.com/2011/1/20/1945898/panthers-scouting-east-west-shrine-game
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According to this article, these are 2 guys the Texans have talked at the E-W practices this week.
A lot of this is story is about Marvin Austin, NC DT.
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They spoke with Van Dyke to get the scoop on Brandon Harris.

They spoke with Carter to poke fun at his school for having Carr as their QB.
 
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Finally, the players will get a chance to hit someone new. After a week of beating up on each other in team drills, here are matchups to watch when the East faces the West in the Shrine Game on Saturday.
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Clemson's Chris Hairston has played well this week in practices, but still has some things to prove in Saturday's game. East OT Chris Hairston (Clemson)
vs. West OLB/DE Dontay Moch (Nevada)
Hairston, 6-foot-7 and 326 pounds, has great size, but the concern is how he handles a speed rusher and Moch will be a great test. Moch has made the change from defensive end to linebacker this week, which is where he will need to play in the NFL, but he still provides a great deal of speed when turned loose off the edge as a pass-rusher. It will be interesting to see how Hairston handles Moch in third-down situations. We'll watch if he sits low, how quickly and how wide he gets set and if he's able to ride the speed rusher Moch outside the edge and past the pocket.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...om/nfl/draft2011/notebook?page=shrinebuzz0121
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We know that Wade is coaching the West team, so he's getting a very good look see at Dontay Mochs conversion to the 3-4 and what he looks like coming off of the edge from the upright instead of the 3-point ?
 
IDEXAN said:
We know that Wade is coaching the West team, so he's getting a very good look see at Dontay Mochs conversion to the 3-4...
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The West is in a 4-3. That may be a stipulation in the all star game rules, like no blitzing, etc.
 
Who's winning? I don't have the NFL Network. I have been a Shrine pateint for years there and had a great time at all the events during the week that the game was here.
 
Wade is very low key, a players coach for sure. Bose boys played well for the most part, not impressed with Korey Lindsey who was supposed to be one of the better cb's. I was impressed with Oregon DE/OLB Kenny Rowe looks like a situational pass rush specialist 5th rd. & Brandon Blair DT/DE great frame could be a hot pick for a 3-4 end 4th rd. Marvin Austin looked quick & strong but Mayock said specificly that he's not stout enough to play the nose in a 3-4. Syracuse RB DeLone Carter was offensive MVP scored one TD, tough build to bring down 5090 226 3rd rounder, but I really enjoyed Penn State all time leading rusher Evan Royster, reminds me of Colts Addai way he picks his way through traffic, has slight build but both durable & tough. Dontay Moch, OLB showed very little including his size 228 lbs. have to study Chris Carter, OLB Fresno State looks like he could be a player to watch? aggressive & takes good angles. Another player who helped their grade was OT Jah Reid, UCF, 6080 325 late rd. tackle to develop.
 
bah007 said:
Moch is one of those guys that put up great numbers in college, but some scouts are concerned that he won't do the same in the NFL.

He played in the WAC and went up against probably zero future NFL linemen. I've read in some places that he might run in the 4.3s at the combine.

I haven't really scouted him personally. The only game of his I watched was against Boise St. He got an assist on a sack, but that is really all he did the whole game. He seems entirely dependent on beating the OT to the edge. And if he doesn't then the play is over for him.

I've only seen him once though.
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Sounds like Mario the last couple of years.
 
Lucky said:
The West is in a 4-3. That may be a stipulation in the all star game rules, like no blitzing, etc.
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I heard that but also heard the announcers point out that guys like the
Fresno State sack-specialist (#43, can't remember his name ?) who will likely
convert from DE to 3-4 OLB in the NFL, got some important coaching from
3-4 coach Phillips during the E-W week of practice.
But yea, Senior Bowl will probably have the same rules which leads me to wonder if during the practice week guys like Von Miller will be executing their pass-rushing drills from 2-point or 3-point stance ? I'd guess the former since I think he played in the 3-4 at A & M ?
 
I thought the better 3-4 prospects were on the East squad. A couple of late round/UDFA types that flashed were:

Justin Trattou - DE - Florida - Trattou is a 4-3 college DE who will likely have to make the conversion to a 3-4 OLB. He looked very active, though he saw better competition week in, week out in the SEC. Wasn't real productive at Florida, but the Gators are deep and like to rotate their line quite a bit.

Ollie Ogbu - DT - Penn State - Ogbu looked unblockable at times, as the East released its defensive line to the QB. Ogbu may or may not be large enough to play the nose on base downs. But, he looks to have the burst and quicks to come in as a pass rusher on 3rd down.

Overall, I was unimpressed with the talent level on the defensive side. Obviously, there will be much better prospects at the Senior Bowl next week, such as NTs Phil Taylor and Jerrell Powe. Outside of A&M's Von Miller, the 3-4 OLB position looks weak.
 
Trattou was very impressive. He was in the backfield all game long.
 
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