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Via ABC 13: Phillips named DC (premature/false report/NOW DONE DEAL)

I can't believe these dumbasses aren't doing a full search. Will this franchise ever "get it"?

What is there to get?

They know this guy. They were probably at the same Christmas Party for the last 4 years. 5 years. They don't need to "officially" interview him anymore than Sean Payton needed to "interview" Greg Williams.

Do you think they were like, "Well Gregg, I see you have a nice resume here, however we have a few more canididates to interview & we'll let you know in a week or so." ?

Hell no, Peyton was like, "Please, please, please, please... I'll pay him myself, please, please Mr. Benson, I'll su.......... "
 
I love Texans fans, ***** becasue the current DC sucked, then ***** about NOT interviewing other DC candidates when Wade is better than ANY candidate on the market right now as a DC.

Can I ***** about the peanuts at Reliant being too salty?
Or Houston traffic?
 
Has this ever been done by any team?

I don't think I've seen everything, or that I know everything, but I don't recall this ever happening.

The Bills fired Schonert after the preseason last year. 49ers fired Jimmy Raye after 3 or 4 games earlier this season. Both were offensive coordinators.
 
at least they are trying

You know, as funny as that sounds, it is very true. Everyone is thinking this was a knee jerk reaction of a quick fix but given how bad our defense was this year, and given how early Phillips got fired, you couldn't help but start looking at how he could be available. Just the small research I've done on Wade Phillips both stats and talking with a friend who is a diehard San Diego Charger fan, and all I can see is how he turns defenses around.

Now with knowing they tried to talk to Marvin Lewis is, if anything, encouraging to know they went through a list. Marvin Lewis would've been a real good pickup. Wade is the best guy for the job out of anyonelse out there right now. Get the DC in early, start making a plan and move forward.
 
Nothing pisses me off more than seeing stupid Bob CrapNair talking about how Kubiak is offensive minded and Wade is defensive minded.

KUBIAK NEEDS TO BE FOOTBALL MINDED!!!!!!!!!!!

6-10 again...stay on the right track, right Bob?
 
The fear is that is the team does not improve overall and Gary is fired then Wade will be promoted to head coach.

^^^This. I'm just so scared that we start off on the wrong foot and then Mcnair decides to let Gary go and Wade steps in and really throws the team down the drain.
 
Everyone is missing the bright side.

We already have the appropriate smilie. No additional work for the mods!
:wadepalm:
 
^^^This. I'm just so scared that we start off on the wrong foot and then Mcnair decides to let Gary go and Wade steps in and really throws the team down the drain.

Exactly. Hiring Wade doesn't fix all of the other problems that Gary Kubiak has on gameday. People are so quick to only look at our offensive production only, and forget the other things that make a coach. McNair couldn't lose his Kubiak cuddle buddy. I'm just hoping Wade turns the defense around at least. Not sure what can be done for Kubiak. Highly doubt he changes after his fifth year of coaching this team. He is what he is.
 
Exactly. Hiring Wade doesn't fix all of the other problems that Gary Kubiak has on gameday. People are so quick to only look at our offensive production only, and forget the other things that make a coach. McNair couldn't lose his Kubiak cuddle buddy. I'm just hoping Wade turns the defense around at least. Not sure what can be done for Kubiak. Highly doubt he changes after his fifth year of coaching this team. He is what he is.

I completely agree. But, wouldn't it be nice to at least be 8-8 again? :lol:
 
Now with knowing they tried to talk to Marvin Lewis is, if anything, encouraging to know they went through a list. Marvin Lewis would've been a real good pickup. Wade is the best guy for the job out of anyonelse out there right now. Get the DC in early, start making a plan and move forward.

I trust this team 0%.

I don't believe they talked to Marvin Lewis. That's a plant, giving off the appearance that people other than Phillips were on "the list."

They've not bluffed us very well on this one.

Bum visiting Bob just days before the last game, McClain posting that Kubiak would remain (which means you know dang well that McNair was already in the works for a new d-coord well before Sunday's game), the daughter or sister or whoever it was who called the radio station and planted the "Even if he were offered, I don't think he would accept it" crap, and then Wade's momma who also is reporting that her baby boy is mulling it over.

Last week, I dismissed a certain poster who said he knew it was all contrived. He was right. I was wrong.

I don't trust what this team says to us through the media.

Mealy-mouth (as DB said) is the right description of Bob McNair.
 
Nothing pisses me off more than seeing stupid Bob CrapNair talking about how Kubiak is offensive minded and Wade is defensive minded.

KUBIAK NEEDS TO BE FOOTBALL MINDED!!!!!!!!!!!

6-10 again...stay on the right track, right Bob?

This is a fair criticism... I'm more optimistic than you are, but I share a similar concern.

It is a bit baffling that a successful offense coach can't be adept at assessing defensive players and systems. After all, it would seem to be an important part of succeeding on offense- understanding the weaknesses of a defense and how to exploit it. But, when Richard Smith lasts three full seasons as the DC, clearly that isn't the case with Kubiak.
 
This is a fair criticism... I'm more optimistic than you are, but I share a similar concern.

It is a bit baffling that a successful offense coach can't be adept at assessing defensive players and systems. After all, it would seem to be an important part of succeeding on offense- understanding the weaknesses of a defense and how to exploit it. But, when Richard Smith lasts three full seasons as the DC, clearly that isn't the case with Kubiak.

Yeah...I bet Peyton Manning could be a defensive coordinator just because he's so good at picking them apart. Kubiak's main problem is that he doesn't have the satchel to cut dead weight. I can't respect that or be happy about maintaining a guy like that. Aww Shucks Phillips isn't going to come in and cut any dead weight either....didn't the Cowboys not even practice in pads under is coaching? I think we got softer.
 
Just incase some of you haven't gone to my thread, I did some small research about Wade Phillips. To me the real problem wasn't necessarily the yards but the points we gave up. So I researched what his defenses did in terms of points allowed.

This year, teams got to our 30 and scored. Last year, towards the end of the season we weren't giving up as many TDs and if you would've put last years end of the year defense with this years offense you probably got playoffs. Here's the thread, what do yall think after reading that:

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79047
 
Nothing pisses me off more than seeing stupid Bob CrapNair talking about how Kubiak is offensive minded and Wade is defensive minded.

KUBIAK NEEDS TO BE FOOTBALL MINDED!!!!!!!!!!!

6-10 again...stay on the right track, right Bob?

This is just a guess with no real basis behind it, but here's what I'm going to take a shot at and assume happens:

Wade would officially be named the Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator, much like Sherman was with the offense when he came here.

What I assume happens (or would at least like to happen) is that when our offense is running a 2-minute drill, Kubiak calls the plays (there is no other way around this, I believe) and Wade works the game management. Vise versa when the defense is on the field.

It is easier for a defensive coach who calls his own plays (e.g. Rex, Wade, Tomlin, etc.) to manage the game because the biggest aspects of game management come when the offense has the ball. Obviously he's not calling plays during this time, and can more fully understand the situation.

If my guessing is correct, I would expect a huge improvement in our clock management, regardless of how each individual is on his own.
 
This is just a guess with no real basis behind it, but here's what I'm going to take a shot at and assume happens:

Wade would officially be named the Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator, much like Sherman was with the offense when he came here.

What I assume happens (or would at least like to happen) is that when our offense is running a 2-minute drill, Kubiak calls the plays (there is no other way around this, I believe) and Wade works the game management. Vise versa when the defense is on the field.

It is easier for a defensive coach who calls his own plays (e.g. Rex, Wade, Tomlin, etc.) to manage the game because the biggest aspects of game management come when the offense has the ball. Obviously he's not calling plays during this time, and can more fully understand the situation.

If my guessing is correct, I would expect a huge improvement in our clock management, regardless of how each individual is on his own.

That would assume Kubiak is willing to relinquish powers as head coach,
even on a behind-the-scenes level. One thing I've learned about
Kubiak in 5 seasons, is he's one stubborn knucklehead.
 
I love Texans fans, ***** becasue the current DC sucked, then ***** about NOT interviewing other DC candidates when Wade is better than ANY candidate on the market right now as a DC.

Can I ***** about the peanuts at Reliant being too salty?
Or Houston traffic?

I think there is a beef. As I said in the other thread, its called doing your due diligence. Remember when they "allegedly" had names for the next D Coordinator and basically Frank Bush was already given the job. Within a day of finishing a whopping 6-10 McNair showed he already planned to keep Kubiak and fire the defense without even putting out feelers or seeing the landscape after firings. Then they say they will take their time to look for a D Coordinator when they really already have Bum's pick in here. It is a joke that they can't professionally just slow down, take in the scenery and try and make the proper call. It is like they are making out with a girl and already dusted in their boxers before the fun even started. Just in one big hurry without any research, etc.
 
I think there is a beef. As I said in the other thread, its called doing your due diligence. Remember when they "allegedly" had names for the next D Coordinator and basically Frank Bush was already given the job. Within a day of finishing a whopping 6-10 McNair showed he already planned to keep Kubiak and fire the defense without even putting out feelers or seeing the landscape after firings. Then they say they will take their time to look for a D Coordinator when they really already have Bum's pick in here. It is a joke that they can't professionally just slow down, take in the scenery and try and make the proper call. It is like they are making out with a girl and already dusted in their boxers before the fun even started. Just in one big hurry without any research, etc.

Bill?
 
Here's something else I just found out about Wade Phillips.

While in San Diego from 2004-2007 as DC:

Played Indy 4 times and has a record of 3-1 against the Colts.
Lost one time in 04 by 3 points
2005 Won in Indy and held Indy to 17 points
2007 Won at home vs. Indy holding them to 21 points, and then went to Indy and beat them in the playoffs holding them to 24 points.

I recall the playoff game and the defense scored a few TDs right?
 
The Bills fired Schonert after the preseason last year. 49ers fired Jimmy Raye after 3 or 4 games earlier this season. Both were offensive coordinators.


Señor Stan;1628693 said:
How quickly we forget the Chris Palmer debacle. Fired 2 weeks into the infamous 2005 season.

Silly me. I thought we were talking about bringing in a DC in the middle of the season....

wtf? This makes no sense.

Wade has been available since week 8, when the Texans were still realistically in the running. Why not fire Smith and take on Wade at some point in the season and let him actually have some time with the guys before the lockout to determine who he likes
 
That would assume Kubiak is willing to relinquish powers as head coach,
even on a behind-the-scenes level. One thing I've learned about
Kubiak in 5 seasons, is he's one stubborn knucklehead.

The relinquishing of power thing bothers me. At some point last week - can't remember exactly where - maybe Kubiak's presser Monday - he was asked about the future DC helping him out and Kubiak responded, "I hope he would do what I say." There was another reference to Kubiak being the sole final decision maker. Sorry, old age and short term memory don't mix well, but I do remember the big picture - most of the time.

My point being that I'm not sure our head coach "stubborn knucklehead" is willing or even open to anyone else taking any kind of control - which is just another problem he needs to overcome.
 
The relinquishing of power thing bothers me. At some point last week - can't remember exactly where - maybe Kubiak's presser Monday - he was asked about the future DC helping him out and Kubiak responded, "I hope he would do what I say." There was another reference to Kubiak being the sole final decision maker. Sorry, old age and short term memory don't mix well, but I do remember the big picture - most of the time.

My point being that I'm not sure our head coach "stubborn knucklehead" is willing or even open to anyone else taking any kind of control - which is just another problem he needs to overcome.

Here's the quote from the press conference.

(on whether it will matter if the defensive coordinator he hires runs a 3-4 or a 4-3 scheme) “You know what, it doesn’t. I’ve been asked that a couple times today. I think what we have to do is respect the person that we hire, knowing that we’re getting the best guy available; and we’ve got to say, ‘Look at our personnel,’ and I don’t think it really matters what we play. Whatever he thinks is best and gives us the best chance to be successful, then we should adapt to him. So we’re going to turn it over to him

I'm not saying that he's not a stubborn knucklehead, but sounds to me like he's saying all the right things right now.
 
...Kubiak should be gone, but he could still prove us all wrong. He makes mind-boggling screw-ups, but he also does things right that most HCs wouldn't. I don't think it's imperceivable that a team with Kubiak's O and Phillip's D could work well.

Interested in the bolded statement. I think we can all agree that he's made mistakes in clock management, time outs and abandoning the run at times. What specifically has he done correctly that most HCs wouldn't do? Not stirring here. Honest question. :heart:
 
Interested in the bolded statement. I think we can all agree that he's made mistakes in clock management, time outs and abandoning the run at times. What specifically has he done correctly that most HCs wouldn't do? Not stirring here. Honest question. :heart:

Ya, I'm curious also.
 
Former Cowboys coach Wade Phillips has expressed an interest in becoming the defensive coordinator for the Houston Texans.

If that happens, it's believed he will make a run for at least two members of the Cowboys coaching staff _ linebackers coach Reggie Herring and secondary/safeties coach Brett Maxie.

There are a lot of moving parts here. But let's add Miami's Todd Bowles, who will interview with Jerry Jones Wednesday, to the mix and play this out.

Say the Cowboys decide to hire Bowles as defensive coordinator and Herring leaves for the Texans at a later date. The club could plug interim defensive coordinator Paul Pasqualoni into Herring's spot. Pasqualoni worked with the Cowboys linebackers for two years when he was on Bill Parcells' staff.

...

Will all of this happen? It's too early to say. But as the Cowboys go about restructuring their staff, they are not the only ones who will have a say in what shape it takes.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/01/how-former-coach-wade-phillips.html
 
Silly me. I thought we were talking about bringing in a DC in the middle of the season....


I must have scanned through too quickly. Sorry about piling on the OC bandwagon.

The Chargers fired their DC Ted Cottrell back in 2008. The Chargers had started the season 3-5 and fired their DC.

They went on to win their division.
 
According to McGobbler, Kubiak contacted Marvin Lewis before he re-signed with Cincy.

http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/statuses/22441045333643264#


Kubiak on phone with Marvin: "Hey Marv, how'd you like to come be my DC and run our defense?"

Marvin: "Uh..er...uh, let me get back to ya in a minute, Gary"

Marvin quickly dials up Bengals owner: "Hey Mr. Brown, sorry for callin you a cheap bastard. I'll happily re-up with you another year"
 
Interested in the bolded statement. I think we can all agree that he's made mistakes in clock management, time outs and abandoning the run at times. What specifically has he done correctly that most HCs wouldn't do? Not stirring here. Honest question. :heart:

1. Has built a great offense.

2. He found a proper QB to run his offense.

3. He generally finds effective TEs and implements them well.

4. Struggled early on to find proper RBs, but has hit the jackpot with Foster and Ward. If Tate returns, survives the injury bug, and shows flashes of talent like he did last preseason, then Kubiak will have found three RBs who run in his system very well.

5. Offensive line is serviceable. It's not awful. It's not great. But it gets the job done. Their run blocking, coupled with Foster/Ward/Tate, is usually a well-oiled machine. Struggles vs. beefier defensive systems, though.

6. Wide receivers could use an upgrade, but Kubiak has done well to work with what he has. There's AJ (which makes any coach look good) and then there are role player WRs who generally do a decent job of functioning within the system. With the way the TEs play for us, it's going to be hard for him to justify using a high pick on a secondary WR to pair with AJ (IMO).

7. Doesn't go screwball on the sidelines, nor in pressers, which is a benefit in the long run. Would like to see him "coach" more during games, rather than 20 yards away from players and staring at playsheets. The offense players "get it" by now. They're not freshmen anymore. So he needs to spend his time more on observing play-by-play and pulling guys aside to instruct them from time to time.

8. Isn't afraid to go for it on 4th down. While I don't always agree with some of the specific plays he calls for certain 4th down down & distances, I still think he's fairly aggressive on 4th down attempts. Which is good.

9. Great hair. Hurricane-proof. Which means he will win a Super Bowl. :kitten:

10. Eats at Whataburger. So he's down with eating the BEST fast-food burger in existence. I'm down with that, too. :extraonions:

See what I did just there? I am capable of admitting someone's strengths. Even Kubiak's strengths.

I just don't think he has the "it" factor. What's going to really really make me angry, is if he and Wade Phillips somehow DO end up becoming a dynamic duo and go deep into the 2011 playoffs. This will mean that somewhere, somehow, within the Texans organization the ball was dropped BIG TIME because all we needed as a solid d-coord out there the whole time. This, IMO, will somewhat (potentially, since it's a stretch to say this will happen) exonerate Kubiak and therefore put more blame on an owner and GM who should have told Kubiak to mind his business with the offense and that they (owner and GM) would get him a d-coord. In short: It could be perceived that the top of the food chain is responsible for our woes and poor old Gurry Kubiak was only treading water in the sea of someone else's incompetence.

HOWEVER......

This is all based on the Texans finally doing what they have never done before, which is to put it all together and sustain their efforts for an entire four quarters of football over an entire 16-game season.

I have to say that I still would have my doubts. I think I wouldn't admit to anything positive about 2011 until we are through with the reg season and talking about our playoff opponent a year from this day. Until that day comes, nothing the Texans do can sway me to believe that things are "better."

It might "feel" better. But feelings are fleeting. I know, because I remember how I "felt" after week 1 of this season. That feeling faded over the remainder of the season. The signs were there, but the high of week 1 was too strong. Weeks 2, 3, and 4 a lot of us poo-poo'd the signs that were there, and some of us were screaming it from the rooftops trying to warn us.

Done.
 
According to McGobbler, Kubiak contacted Marvin Lewis before he re-signed with Cincy.

http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/statuses/22441045333643264#


Kubiak on phone with Marvin: "Hey Marv, how'd you like to come be my DC and run our defense?"

Marvin: "Uh..er...uh, let me get back to ya in a minute, Gary"

Marvin quickly dials up Bengals owner: "Hey Mr. Brown, sorry for callin you a cheap bastard. I'll happily re-up with you another year"

This is what actually happened. True story.
 
Señor Stan;1628840 said:
I must have scanned through too quickly. Sorry about piling on the OC bandwagon.

The Chargers fired their DC Ted Cottrell back in 2008. The Chargers had started the season 3-5 and fired their DC.

They went on to win their division.

I believe they already had R. Rivera on staff though. They had the next guy ready to go so to speak.
 
5. Offensive line is serviceable. It's not awful. It's not great. But it gets the job done. Their run blocking, coupled with Foster/Ward/Tate, is usually a well-oiled machine. Struggles vs. beefier defensive systems, though.

If we run the ball next year the way we ran this year, we'll have an OL going to the pro bowl.. I have no doubt about it. I'm thinking Smith, but very well could be Myers or Brown.

If we can run the ball like this the next two years, they'll be calling ours the best (or at least one of the best) in the league.
 
What's going to really really make me angry, is if he and Wade Phillips somehow DO end up becoming a dynamic duo and go deep into the 2011 playoffs. This will mean that somewhere, somehow, within the Texans organization the ball was dropped BIG TIME because all we needed as a solid d-coord out there the whole time.

I think the argument could be made, but I won't buy it.

Ray Rhodes has been here for most of Gary's tenure. He's been involved in everything we do. He may not be Wade Phillips, or Greg Williams, but he isn't chopped liver either.

Frank Bush & Richard Smith may not have had experience coming in, but they've had experience to draw from.

I don't care for the Frank Bush firing..... not that I thought he did a good job or anything, but because I don't think the buck stopped at Frank..... at least it shouldn't.

But firings on the defensive staff...... LB coack & DB coach was warranted. I think.
 
I think the argument could be made, but I won't buy it.

Ray Rhodes has been here for most of Gary's tenure. He's been involved in everything we do. He may not be Wade Phillips, or Greg Williams, but he isn't chopped liver either.

Frank Bush & Richard Smith may not have had experience coming in, but they've had experience to draw from.

I don't care for the Frank Bush firing..... not that I thought he did a good job or anything, but because I don't think the buck stopped at Frank..... at least it shouldn't.

But firings on the defensive staff...... LB coack & DB coach was warranted. I think.

See, I think Bush was given power and nobody stood up to him. That's why we saw such decline from so many areas. There was too much "breakdown" everywhere on that defense for it to be a situation of positional coaches ignoring (and even undermining) Frank Bush.

IMO, Bush was given control. We know, for a fact, that Bush said he came in and put a lockdown on Richard Smith at the end of the year. There were certain scenarios and defensive packages/plays that Bush said they told Richard Smith he 100% could not use. In effect, Bush was the d-coord and Richard Smith was serving out his time and calling a Lame Duck series of games at the end of his time here.

That tells me that the culture on the Texans is that it is VERY authority-driven. I still think Kubiak overrides everyone on his team, especially when we see Slaton epic failing at returning kicks for so long. I think Kubiak let Bush do it "his way" [Bush's way] to a tee. If so, it speaks poorly of a lot of people. He was a first-time full-time NFL d-coord. In THAT essence, I think he was failed by others...but only to a degree.

I think it is unfortunate that Frank Bush came here and made our team his first trial run of being a full time d-coord. Not all his fault. But it is his fault. To a degree.

You are a softy for people, TK. Not saying that that's "bad" or anything. I just think you have a greater capacity for patience and compassion than most others. I think you'd make a great mentor to kids, that's for sure.
 
1. Has built a great offense. The offense was great for about half a game usually. They regressed from last year as well.

2. He found a proper QB to run his offense. I am a member of the Matt Schaub Man-Love Club

3. He generally finds effective TEs and implements them well. OD is effective. Dreesen is serviceable. We haven't gotten anything out of the other dozen and a half they've drafted over the past five years.

4. Struggled early on to find proper RBs, but has hit the jackpot with Foster and Ward. If Tate returns, survives the injury bug, and shows flashes of talent like he did last preseason, then Kubiak will have found three RBs who run in his system very well. I'll give him Foster but that was also a product of misfortune on Tate's and Slaton's part.

5. Offensive line is serviceable. It's not awful. It's not great. But it gets the job done. Their run blocking, coupled with Foster/Ward/Tate, is usually a well-oiled machine. Struggles vs. beefier defensive systems, though. There was really nowhere to go but up with the O-Line...the QB change also helped quite a bit.

6. Wide receivers could use an upgrade, but Kubiak has done well to work with what he has. There's AJ (which makes any coach look good) and then there are role player WRs who generally do a decent job of functioning within the system. With the way the TEs play for us, it's going to be hard for him to justify using a high pick on a secondary WR to pair with AJ (IMO). AJ and Walter have been good...Anderson is ok in a pinch...Jacoby Jones was a horrible reach.
 
The offense was great for about half a game usually. They regressed from last year as well.

How did the O regress from last year? The only metric they regressed in was passing yardage and that's a natural with developing a solid running game. With crap field position they put up more points, converted 3rd down better, ran better and were better in the red zone.
 
1. Has built a great offense. The offense was great for about half a game usually. They regressed from last year as well.

How did the O regress from last year? The only metric they regressed in was passing yardage and that's a natural with developing a solid running game. With crap field position they put up more points, converted 3rd down better, ran better and were better in the red zone.


infantrycak: [to michaelm] Germans?
michaelm: Forget it, he's rolling.
 
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