CyberTexan
Waterboy
We have no run defense , we need to ditch this 3-4 Defense and get a 1st round run stopping DT from the draft , this is rediculous , a HB like Zereoue or however its spelled should not be gettin yards like this .
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Hall of Fame
i agree. our defense blows
aphia1996
Practice Squad
I didn't get to see much of the game just highlights but we caused FIVE TURNOVERS and they only scored...17 points and we shut them out in the second half....AM I MISSING SOMETHING?????
Everyone needs to stop the run and from what I can tell they made the correct changes at halftime and WON THE GAME.
Most of the Yards from a rush stand point came from the few big plays they just broke down on but looks like the fixed in the second half.
Anyway, I was just wondering what you were talking about since they did shut them down in the second half.
GEAUX TEXANS!!!
James H.
Baton Rouge, LA
Everyone needs to stop the run and from what I can tell they made the correct changes at halftime and WON THE GAME.
Most of the Yards from a rush stand point came from the few big plays they just broke down on but looks like the fixed in the second half.
Anyway, I was just wondering what you were talking about since they did shut them down in the second half.
GEAUX TEXANS!!!
James H.
Baton Rouge, LA
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Dime said:
We have 3 guys that would be DT's in a 4-3. Drafting another DT would give us 4 and no one other than maybe Peek/Babin that would be a 4-3 DE--and they were drafted to be OLB's in a 3-4 for a reason.
no no no...i agree our run defense is horrible...payne is not playing like he did at the beginning of last year...robaire smith is doing just fine...and walker is doing ok...payne/deloach combination is obviously our weakness...but normally a rookie DT doesn't perform well till his third or fourth season...simply because it takes those years to gain the strength needed to compete...honestly going into the draft i would just stick to the BPA approach...this off-season it might be the best idea
Hervoyel
BUENO!
CyberTexan said:
Zereoue had a 14 carry 117 yard day. Minus one single 55 yard explosion where just about everybody near him made the wrong move that amounts to a 13 carry 62 yard day. Sounds pretty ordinary to me. Good, but nothing to get too terribly excited about.
The D will continue to improve as long as everyone stays healthy. Right now you're cracking on a defense that starts two rookies in the secondary along with a cornerback who's been moved over to safety, a rookie linebacker, and one new starter on a defensive line that also happens to feature two players returning from extensive inuries last season.
This is pretty good IMO for week 4. If they still regularly look like this in week 10 then yeah, maybe something might need fixing but it's not broken right now. It's just rusty, out of synch, and kind of wet behind the ears in spots.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I'm glad y'all don't have ANY SAY with the draft because you suck 
listen each week the Texans defense improves what game are you watching? The first touchdown was scored by the defense, and another field goal was set up by the defense. What do you want? The Raiders have a dominating offenseve line without a safety blitz (coaching) there was no way especially the right side with Gallery, get real. I thought the Texans speed starting with the linebackers though the DB's was outstanding. Sure they got juked on the one big running play, but I'd like someone to explain to me the moving screen which is how he worked his way into the endzone. Anyway the Texans are now in position to draft the BPA it doesn't matter if its defense or offense. Texans have arrived, next Minn.
listen each week the Texans defense improves what game are you watching? The first touchdown was scored by the defense, and another field goal was set up by the defense. What do you want? The Raiders have a dominating offenseve line without a safety blitz (coaching) there was no way especially the right side with Gallery, get real. I thought the Texans speed starting with the linebackers though the DB's was outstanding. Sure they got juked on the one big running play, but I'd like someone to explain to me the moving screen which is how he worked his way into the endzone. Anyway the Texans are now in position to draft the BPA it doesn't matter if its defense or offense. Texans have arrived, next Minn.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
in basketball a moving screen is illeagal for a reason, the same does not apply in football. Clearly if you ever played sports you would understand the difficulty trying to fight through a moving pick! C'mon now he had blocking the whole way & the rules protect that fact, something for the Texans need to file for future reference.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
Fiddy said:
That plus it didn't hurt that the Raiders essientially took out 4 players with one big block. I believe Robaire Smith was being blocked and pursuing Zereoue, and he fell to the ground as Sharper dove over Smith trying to catch him. That, in turn, caused Babin to trip and I'm thinking there was at least one other player in that pile up. Possibly Simmons or Wong, but I'm not certain.
I wasn't happy either, looking up at the scoreboard and seeing Oakland with 260 something yards at halftime. But, keeping the Raiders off the scoreboard in the second half made up for that in a big way. It's hard to beyatch too much when you set a team record for most points scored and 13 of those points were either scored by the defense or were set up by takeaways by the defense. Aside from the freaky win at Heinz in 2002 where the offense totaled something like 47 yards, the Texans 13 point margin of victory yesterday was their largest ever.
I think the Texans will eventually find a way to get pressure on the QB and tighten up against the run. Next week will be even a bigger test. The Vikes offensive attack is one of the best in the NFL.
I think the Texans will eventually find a way to get pressure on the QB and tighten up against the run. Next week will be even a bigger test. The Vikes offensive attack is one of the best in the NFL.
Going along with this thread, I say this game showed we need to find a RB that can hold onto the ball (especially in the Red Zone). Davis has four, Hollings got lucky because he should have had two yesterday, they blamed one on Carr, and the other they called him down to early, Wells (although he had a great game) can fumble inside the twenty when the game was tight in the first half.
that's why i still think we're going to draft a runningback pretty high in the draft...not sure yet who looks like a good pick at that position...i know there are a lot of benson fans but i'm not sure if he'll transfer to the nfl like ricky did...personally you got to like a guy named cadillac
texan279 said:
First, I love DD, but I don't think he is big enough or durable enough to be a featured back. Draft a good RB, move DD back to what he was originally draft for a great third down back, let him carry the ball 5 to 10 times, and catch 5 passes, but not take the pounding of a every down back. Then we will have him as a weapon all year, not just 1/2 to 2/3 of the season like last year and like it is looking this year.
TheOgre
All Pro
I'm looking forward to the rest of the season. We definitely have some playmakers on both sides of the ball now. I hope Sharper gets the national recognition he deserves this season. That highlight play he had could help him actually get in the Pro Bowl this season.
Bring on the Vikes!!
Bring on the Vikes!!
texansfan88
Rookie
i think its funny how all of you talk about who/what we need, yet you dont know any of the players at those positions. Sure, you can look at NFLDraftBlitz.com or something to see where we have him ranked, but that would just be copycatting. Now, from someone who knows what they're talking about-me.
The only DT you'll find coming out of the 1st round AS OF TODAY is Antaaj Hawthorne out of Wisconsin. He's fast off of the line and is a perfect 4-3 DT. If we stick with the 3-4, he will not fit.
Rodrique Wright, Orien Harris, and Haloti Ngata are also superb DT's, but none are expected to leave early.
With that said, have a good day
The only DT you'll find coming out of the 1st round AS OF TODAY is Antaaj Hawthorne out of Wisconsin. He's fast off of the line and is a perfect 4-3 DT. If we stick with the 3-4, he will not fit.
Rodrique Wright, Orien Harris, and Haloti Ngata are also superb DT's, but none are expected to leave early.
With that said, have a good day
texasguy346
Mod Squad
TheOgre said:
Not a bad day for the Sharper brothers. Jamie's brother had a pick at the goaline for the Packers yesterday too. Too bad the Packers lost though.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
TheOgre said:
Obviously he must be Mel Kiper.
As for knowing if any underclassmen are coming out as of yet I am sure they aren't even sure just yet. Pollack contemplated coming out at the end of his junior season, but he decided against it and returned for his senior year. I'm not sure what kind of intimate knowledge you can have that apparently no one else has, but I'm sure declaring for the draft will be a consideration for all those guys once their football season is over and they have time to make their decision.
texansfan88
Rookie
1st off, if any of you think mel kiper is a draft whiz, you're being deceived. He receives 99% of his info from Washington Redskins Exec. Vinny Cerrato. So basically, that is usually their draft board.
Secondly, I work for NFLDraftBlitz.com, along with contributing work to other draft sites. For Blitz, I cover the Defensive line, wide receivers and quarterbacks. I have talked to Antaaj on a few occasions, and from what I'm understanding, if we want him, we're going to have to be downright awful the rest of the year.
Secondly, I work for NFLDraftBlitz.com, along with contributing work to other draft sites. For Blitz, I cover the Defensive line, wide receivers and quarterbacks. I have talked to Antaaj on a few occasions, and from what I'm understanding, if we want him, we're going to have to be downright awful the rest of the year.
texansfan88
Rookie
texasguy346 said:
Wright will be pressured into staying at UT, thats a given. Haloti will not leave early mainly b/c he has not had a great season. If he turns it around in the Pac-10 sked, then maybe. Orien Harris would be the only other likely one to come out, but I personally dont think he's ready. Did anyone see him against UH? wooo he looked like a kid out there.
I dont consider any juniors until they rightfully declare. So if the draft started today, Antaaj is the only DT worthy of a 1st round selection, and we'd have to go about 4-12 to be in a good spot to take him
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
BigBang said:
At times we have one of the LB's put a hand down to have 4 guys down--same thing the Pats do often. Sunday you saw more of just 2 down linemen mixed in.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
Mel Kiper was a joke reference.
As far as the leaving early is concerned it's still to early to determine what these players will decide. Just because a player is pressured to stay doesn't mean he'll stay. However, UT does tend to have most of their juniors return for their senior season. In February or March then you can make a better determination of whether or not they'll enter the draft. Players who could use another year of college football might be convinced that they're better than they are and jump early to the draft or hire an agent etc. That isn't an uncommon occurence. Conversations with a player are great, but how many reporters can say they've had similar conversations with him? I'm guessing there are many. Not exactly intimate knowledge, or enough to judge what his decision will ultimately be come season's end. No one is disrespecting you or your views on the draft, and there's no point in you disrespecting other peoples views on the draft.
As far as the leaving early is concerned it's still to early to determine what these players will decide. Just because a player is pressured to stay doesn't mean he'll stay. However, UT does tend to have most of their juniors return for their senior season. In February or March then you can make a better determination of whether or not they'll enter the draft. Players who could use another year of college football might be convinced that they're better than they are and jump early to the draft or hire an agent etc. That isn't an uncommon occurence. Conversations with a player are great, but how many reporters can say they've had similar conversations with him? I'm guessing there are many. Not exactly intimate knowledge, or enough to judge what his decision will ultimately be come season's end. No one is disrespecting you or your views on the draft, and there's no point in you disrespecting other peoples views on the draft.
Yup, I was noticing that to and its another illustration of how 3-4 personnelinfantrycak said:
are more versitile and therefor more flexible than 4-3 personnel: the OLBs very
often are guys who have experience playing down lineman. I think Wong, Peek, Babin, and Anderson all played DE in college.
Wow! I love this stuff. If I am a plummer, I can say you don't know s*** but I do. Just IMO but sounds like one of us wants others to know he occasionally rubs shoulders with ATHLETES! I am new to the board, but when someone makes a criticism of a play, player, coach or philosophy why is there so many responses of "we won don't bring it up"? I can be loyal to the team and still question. Sort of like "I love my girlfiend but I do recognize her shortcomings." Well, I may not voice that after all, but perhaps you get my drift.
I enjoy discussing and getting other opinions on why things happen on the field. Also, I just love the comment, "Well you would understand, if you had ever played." I think that is why some women have nothing to do with sports. Not being one, I ain't sure and may some ladies can respond? Anyway, keep up the comments. I have a call in to my insurance agent to make sure my hospitalization covers me if I fall out of my chair laughing.
I enjoy discussing and getting other opinions on why things happen on the field. Also, I just love the comment, "Well you would understand, if you had ever played." I think that is why some women have nothing to do with sports. Not being one, I ain't sure and may some ladies can respond? Anyway, keep up the comments. I have a call in to my insurance agent to make sure my hospitalization covers me if I fall out of my chair laughing.
texansfan88
Rookie
lol dude, you have the wrong impression of me. Someone asked how credible I am, and I told them who I worked for and what I do. I've talked to players about who is looking at them and they tell me, thats why I said we better be a 4-12 team if we want Hawthorne this year.
All I'm asking is instead of saying we need a DT, be specific and give reasons why. If you know nothing about the guy, say you know nothing but it'd be nice to get a DT
All I'm asking is instead of saying we need a DT, be specific and give reasons why. If you know nothing about the guy, say you know nothing but it'd be nice to get a DT
bruenice
Practice Squad
if you look at the 3-4, many times the olb comes up to the line to give a 4-3 look anyhow, just in a two point rather than being down in a three point stance. i say let peek get more reps ahead of babin. granted babin getting all the money, but for the time that he is in there, peek has stats that comparable to babin's. the plays he was in yesterday, he kept contain on the running plays and helped collapse the pocket more than babin. babin just isn't getting it done. whatever defense is being played you need someone coming off the edge that will pressure the quarterback, force the running back inside on running plays, and drop back into pass coverage. i don't think that babin can cover the pass. i'm not saying that peek is the best at pass coverage right now, but he is better than babin.
texansfan88 said:
Thanks for your response, you came across arrogant and I now accept that wasn't your intention. What do you think about starting both Babin & Peek @ left and right outside linebacker? Wong could still get several plays at back up.
I am sure there is a reason or D coordinator would already be doing it. Just wish he would keep me informed. HA!
texansfan88
Rookie
The problem with that is peek is terrible against the run, and teams know it. so no runs would go towards babin's side. With Wong, you have both pass rushing and run stopping ability
texasguy346
Mod Squad
texansfan88 said:
texansfan88 said:
All I'm saying is that at this point in the season none of us have any better idea as to where the Texans are going than anyone else. This thread is simply to get people's thoughts about what we need in the draft. It's an opinion, and nothing more. People are stating players they like, and think would be a good fit. If you don't agree with them, then simply state who you think would fit. No reason to say they don't know what they're talkin about. At this point in the season your guess is as good as anyone elses because none of us are going to be in the Texans' draft room on draft day. Have fun with it, and question their reasoning. Perhaps it was an innocent remark or an attempt at a joke, but that's what everyone's responding too.
texansfan88
Rookie
For those that dont feel we have a good #2 (which might change by the end of the year), these will be good #2s to AJ
Geoff McArthur, Cal
J.R. Russell, Louisville
Roydell Williams, Tulane
Brandon Rideau, Kansas
Taylor Stubblefield, Purdue
Josh Davis, Marshall
Terrence Murphy, Texas A&M
Craig Bragg, UCLA
I would bet that one of these guys will be a Texan if Bradford leaves. These guys should be available in the 3rd round and have a ton of value
Geoff McArthur, Cal
J.R. Russell, Louisville
Roydell Williams, Tulane
Brandon Rideau, Kansas
Taylor Stubblefield, Purdue
Josh Davis, Marshall
Terrence Murphy, Texas A&M
Craig Bragg, UCLA
I would bet that one of these guys will be a Texan if Bradford leaves. These guys should be available in the 3rd round and have a ton of value
texasguy346
Mod Squad
TheOgre said:
I like what I've seen from Armstrong too. We might pick up a free agent WR to compete for the #2 job. Gaff looks to be his best in the slot, and if Armstrong can keep progressing like he has so far then I think he'd have a good shot at the #2 spot. Wouldn't mind picking up a WR in the draft either.
Bill's/TexanFan
Practice Squad
infantrycak said:
I believe I mentioned going to a 4-3 Defense last week and was told that our 3-4 was what a number of teams were switching to because it was so great.
NoBullTexan
Waterboy
I wondered how long it would take, in this thread, before someone brought up Vince Wilfork. He, of course, was my choice for our first round pick last year, although I am perfectly happy with D-Rob now that is the way we chose to go. I wouldn't second guess the coaching and personnel gurus too much, as they have had a 4-5 year plan all along for this team, and it looks like we are on target to be a play-off team by next year. A little improvemant in each of the first two years so far based on won-loss record seems to bear this out. The 3-4D is the D of choice of coach Capers and I see no big deal with it not fulfilling that function. The big 'ol ugly defensive lineman will probably, most likely be, one of our first picks in the draft this next year so I am content to watch and wait. Maybe all you Chicken Littles, "the sky is falling", should just sit back and enjoy seeing your teams growth, and quit griping about one lousy run that could have happened to any team in the NFL, considering the blocking he was getting. 5 turnovers on the plus side far outweighs that one lousy run, IMO. 