Two Minute Drill

[thunderkyss]

This to me speaks volumes about Kubiak. I know some of you will take issue with me, but I would like to add some additional facts to this. In one of the Chronicle articles Kubiak mentioned he does not want his QB to audible. Carr has a very limited set of Checks. He believes the coach is to call the play and the team is to run it.

It would help your argument if Denver wasn't so successfull behind Gary Kubiak. I don't know if Denver audibles at all, but I have to believe they do. Either way, I find it peculiar that we are "lucky" enough to find three offensive gurus(using the term very lightly here) that would not allow our QB to audible.

I find it exceptionally odd, that Sage was allowed to audible in the preseason. But all of a sudden in the regular season audibles are completely gone from the playbook.

Just so there is no misconception of what I'm trying to say here. In my mind, this is further evidence that talent isn't what is holding David Carr back.

Now that speaks again of being predictable in my book. It also says only he knows what will work regardless of what the defense is showing. Isn't that heart warming and comfortible for the defense if they know by a tell what you are doing. They can be assured that if they call the correct defense you are dead meat, because the Texans are not going to change the play.

There is more to offensive football than calling audibles. There should be an out in every play.... the RB in the flats for example.... and every reciever should be able to alter their route somewhat, especially in the case of a blitz. When you here about other teams QB & WR (Manning/Harrison) being on the same page, they don't have to call an audible. If they both recognize the blitz, and the coverage, they can still beat the right defensive call.

This goes along with the two minute drill, because many coaches would consider a deep pass the same as a punt if its intercepted. However, we don't really try to go long all that often.

Stop thinking that if David throws a short pass, that the play was designed to go underneath. Even if it's Andre crossing the field underneath the LBs. Remember, we wanted Eric Moulds(or David Givens) to ease the pressure on AJ, so we can get more one on one coverages. I'm not saying everytime AJ comes underneath, that Eric is maned up & open. But there were several plays where Andre was maned up, or Eric was maned up, and David threw to the wide open guy underneath.

Think about the Titans game, and David's Int. There were two recievers on that play, one guy was covered by 4 Titans, Where was the other reciever??

When you look at the whole picture I still say Kubiak is blowing smoke....

He's definitely blowing smoke. Unless David plays better, expect it to get even more asinine, and resemble Capers Ball even more. GK is trying to protect his QB from all the stuff that is being said on this board, and all the booing at home.

As an added note this is why Carr is playing. Kubiak says he loves teaching Carr and he says he has a lot of talent. Some of you wonder why Sage is not starting and the answer is the same stuborness dictates staying with Carr. At least that is the take of some of you, but there certainly is an element of truth to that. I would say Kubiak is still not going to Carr's strengths, but that is my take on the situation.

I don't believe it's about stubborness... I believe this season isn't about winning, and more about teaching this team to learn how to play. It's very similar to the Tennessee situation(Go Baltimore). they don't care about winning.... well, it isn't their top priority. If it were, they'd have found a way to keep McNair..... but that would put Vince on the Bench for 2 years minimum. By getting rid of Steve, they moved up the Vince Time table by at least one year.

We may win a game here or there, but don't expect too much because we will not do a whole lot until and if we get a running game that suits Kubiak. That is probably at least a year or so away. Kubiak is better than Capers, but I really don't think that much better. He is better at helping Carr, but then Kubiak's statements kind of indicate a big part of Carr's problem is really what he has been taught to do. Kind of a way of saying the previous staff didn't know what they were doing.

Nobody teaches a QB to throw the underneath pass 99.99% of the time.

But you are right. Our running game is a bigger problem than David Carr is right now. If we can get that to work like it is supposed to, then we can expect to see Carr throwing to the wide Open Reciever down the field.

So there is no misconception.... right here, I am saying with a running game, Carr can "look like" a superstar...... I (me personally) don't think he is the kind of QB that can open up your running game. But that's ok. nothing wrong with that.

Oh, well take your shots and enjoy the game tomorrow. We seem to do well against the Jags. I hope we have a good game. It would be nice for the guys to win this one.

This game is about defense.......... again.

 

[Porky]

No.

What I am saying is that he HAS trusted the offense at the end of the half before, and the offense hasn't lived up to that trust.

And after cratering at the end of the half, the team is so fragile it can barely play the rest of the game--both offense and defense.

Until the team starts showing more consistency, and less gooning out in face of setbacks, I don't blame him for not having confidence in an offense that hasn't deserved that confidence at the end of the half.

Kubiak gives Carr and the rest of the offense more responsibility after they prove that they deserve it. They have only proved that they are irresponsible at the half, and in a close game, Kubiak isn't gonna open the playbook.

That is why Kubiak started to let Carr throw into double coverage to Andre. Because Kubiak believed that Carr and AJ deserved that through what they have shown on the field. He's been offered that confidence of throwing into double coverage to Andre but not the keys to the 2 minute drill.

I agree with Tsip. I like you so this isn't personal, but I think this is a croc. Okay, first when exactly has Kubiak gone for it in a two minute drill? I mean balls to the wall we are trying to score? Not some namby pamby let's run a draw and hope we spring it for 20 and then we might actually try something. I don't remember, so please point when he has trusted the offense at the end of the first half.

Secondly, I always thought if you had a weakness the best way to get better was to keep doing it. Do you think a carperter is going to build his best house on his first attempt, or the 20th house that he builds. Don't you think that each time he builds one, he has learned techniques to improve the quality of the structure as well as maybe finding some techinques to build it faster so that his 20th house was built more quickly, but also more soundly? I think so.

So, here is the dilemma as I see it. To me, it's as obvious as the nose on your face that Kubes does not trust Carr to run a 2 minute drill. As I see it, that means one of two things. Let him run it as often as possible, and let him be the carpenter in my example above. Let him take his lumps, and see if he can improve over time. I don't understand how someone can improve a weak area without performing said weak area. It's not as if this is a playoff team, so exactly what is he afraid of? Or the second option is to simply replace the weak component with one who is capable, or at least potentially more capable to run it. The option I don't see is not running it at all, which I guess is option #3.

So, going back to my carpenter anaolgy. The carpenter has trouble hammering nails. So, his boss has three options. Give the carpenter as many nailing projects as possible in hopes we will improve enough to turn this hammering weakness into a strength. Or, he can fire the carpenter and get someone else that can hammer well to put the house together. The one thing the boss would probably not do is to tell the carpenter to not worry about nailing the boards together because hammering is not a strength of his. Just put the wood together with some wood glue, and see if it sticks. If the carpenter doesn't nail the boards together, the house will likely collapse, and the entire structure will crumble.

Somewhere in there is an ancient Chinese proverb.

 

[Malloy]

Our mistake was extending him at that dollar amount. Carr is an average starter in this league yet we over compensate.

I agree. I would have loved to see a one-year contract (basically keeping what we already had?) with some incentives (NOT yards! ). That way, Carr would have to prove that he has it, and if not, well, we only wasted 5 years and so-so money

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Somewhere in there is an ancient Chinese proverb.

If not, there is certainly some sweet and sour pork in there.

 

[Wolf]

I don't know many things could be brought out this offense.

When Sage was in, someone pointed out we ran 5 Wr sets and none with Carr.
Giants game someone pointed out we finally ran 5 WR sets with Carr in.

I am not sure if Carr's learning curve is holding the offense back(so to speak) or if Kubiak is working on the offensive scheme little by little.

Look at us defensively as the season has goine we have gotten better(so far) as more and more of the playbook is opened on that side of the ball(knocking on wood)

 

[Vinny]

Mort on NFL gameday preview said that Carr was "playing it safe" and missing deeper plays (not telling me anything new). He said to keep an eye on Rosenfels.

 

[Malloy]

Mort on NFL gameday preview said that Carr was "playing it safe" and missing deeper plays (not telling me anything new). He said to keep an eye on Rosenfels.

Rosenfels won't see the field unless Carr REALLY stinks it up. I would think that it would take around 2 turnovers for Rosenfels to play. Based on that, I'm really hoping NOT to see Rosenfels on the field

 

[thunderkyss]

Secondly, I always thought if you had a weakness the best way to get better was to keep doing it. Do you think a carperter is going to build his best house on his first attempt, or the 20th house that he builds. Don't you think that each time he builds one, he has learned techniques to improve the quality of the structure as well as maybe finding some techinques to build it faster so that his 20th house was built more quickly, but also more soundly? I think so.

If it were my house, if dude isn't a relative, I don't want to be his first customer. It would be nice if he worked for a guy for 5 or ten years, and actually was the guy for the last 4 our 5 houses he built.

So, going back to my carpenter anaolgy. The carpenter has trouble hammering nails. So, his boss has three options. Give the carpenter as many nailing projects as possible in hopes we will improve enough to turn this hammering weakness into a strength.

When it's 3rd and 15, and David throws a 4 yard crossing route, or if we have Owen Daniel lined up on a converted DE, and David doesn't even look at him, Or if David is throwing to the guy in triple coverage, when there is another guy maned up on the other side of the field, or when David throws the 6 yard pattern, when there is a 15 yard pattern opening right behind the guy sitting at 6 yard....... or when David underthrows guys that are behind the coverage, or throws behind the reciever when the coverage is trailing in the endzone..... he's auditioning for the 2 minute drill.

 

[thunderkyss]

Rosenfels won't see the field unless Carr REALLY stinks it up. I would think that it would take around 2 turnovers for Rosenfels to play. Based on that, I'm really hoping NOT to see Rosenfels on the field

We won't see Rosenfels again unless we are blowing someone out, or if we are beeing blown out, or unless someone gets hurt.

David is our QB, and we are going to work with him until he gets it right. He can throw three INTs against the Jags, and he'll finish the game. Even if they are obviously bad passes.

 

[Malloy]

We won't see Rosenfels again unless we are blowing someone out, or if we are beeing blown out, or unless someone gets hurt.

David is our QB, and we are going to work with him until he gets it right. He can throw three INTs against the Jags, and he'll finish the game. Even if they are obviously bad passes.

I guess the "take-care-of-the-ball"-style that Kubiak benched Carr over is still in effect? That's primarly the reason I think that turnovers CAN bring Rosenfels on the field. Obviously turnovers suck, so I hope I won't be seeing Rosenfels at all

 

[Stampede]

I agree with Tsip. I like you so this isn't personal, but I think this is a croc. Okay, first when exactly has Kubiak gone for it in a two minute drill? I mean balls to the wall we are trying to score? Not some namby pamby let's run a draw and hope we spring it for 20 and then we might actually try something. I don't remember, so please point when he has trusted the offense at the end of the first half.

Secondly, I always thought if you had a weakness the best way to get better was to keep doing it. Do you think a carperter is going to build his best house on his first attempt, or the 20th house that he builds. Don't you think that each time he builds one, he has learned techniques to improve the quality of the structure as well as maybe finding some techinques to build it faster so that his 20th house was built more quickly, but also more soundly? I think so.

So, here is the dilemma as I see it. To me, it's as obvious as the nose on your face that Kubes does not trust Carr to run a 2 minute drill. As I see it, that means one of two things. Let him run it as often as possible, and let him be the carpenter in my example above. Let him take his lumps, and see if he can improve over time. I don't understand how someone can improve a weak area without performing said weak area. It's not as if this is a playoff team, so exactly what is he afraid of? Or the second option is to simply replace the weak component with one who is capable, or at least potentially more capable to run it. The option I don't see is not running it at all, which I guess is option #3.

So, going back to my carpenter anaolgy. The carpenter has trouble hammering nails. So, his boss has three options. Give the carpenter as many nailing projects as possible in hopes we will improve enough to turn this hammering weakness into a strength. Or, he can fire the carpenter and get someone else that can hammer well to put the house together. The one thing the boss would probably not do is to tell the carpenter to not worry about nailing the boards together because hammering is not a strength of his. Just put the wood together with some wood glue, and see if it sticks. If the carpenter doesn't nail the boards together, the house will likely collapse, and the entire structure will crumble.

Somewhere in there is an ancient Chinese proverb.

He who can't nail, buys nail gun....um, did I miss the point somewhere?

 

[swtbound07]

He who can't nail, buys nail gun....um, did I miss the point somewhere?

and then shoots a nail into triple coverage.