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Troy Aikman vs. Skip Bayless..........Cage Match Round 2
- Thread starter CloakNNNdagger
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ha! 
I've always liked Aikman (even when he was a Cowboys QB), and this makes me like him even more!
I've always liked Aikman (even when he was a Cowboys QB), and this makes me like him even more!
If my information is correct, and it is, there has been a looonnnnggg standing feud between the two individuals. Therefore, it doesn't surprise me that Skip is one of Troy's least favorite individual's even though Skip lives and breathes Cowboys.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
20+ years. Skip is the one that started the Troy is gay crap.
Bingo
Yet another reason to despise that little worm.
Always a bummer when I hear someone I respect say they're a fan of First Take.
I bet it would surprise you more to find out that a die hard Cowboys fan get a kick out of Stephen A. Smith. Sorry to lose respect, but I do enjoy the show and Skip's replacement. I guess part is the have some pretty good sports info, but at the same time not so serious that I become weary with all facts and no smiles.
I know that Smith can be brutal when it comes to the Boys, but I'm secure enough to be amused at the time spent on his latest Cowboys hate takes.
You'll have to remind me again where I said anyone lost any respect, no real need to be sorry otherwise.
For the record I like Max Kellerman and don't really dislike Stephen A, when he avoids going full on caricature. So the new First Take may be decent, wouldn't know though as I haven't watched it to say, tbh.
All that said, Skip is a full blown abomination who made the previous incarnation of that show a complete farce. Not even sure what facts could be mined from that cesspool that couldn't be found in fun formats from a number of different shows. But to each their own as always, national enquirer ain't goin' out of business any time soon either.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Skip can be atrocious at times, but so can just about all of the other guys I see all over ESPN and especially the guys on the NFL network. In comparison, I don't think he is all that bad. Guys like Michael Irvin and Sharper were terrible on NFLN and Irvin has had all sorts of tv jobs with ESPN along with Sanders. ESPN has a ton of ex players that are so bias against certain teams they hated as players and their analysis turns into straight garbage. I think Skip created a niche for himself years ago where he plays up to this facade since he is known for it. Why should he tone that facade down when it has made him a big star on ESPN, and now he even parlayed that to a huge network deal with Fox Sports. Steven A. Smith is absolutely atrocious, but his obnoxiousness seems to have kept him as a household name as well even after his show flopped so badly over 10 years ago. These sports networks want outlandish guys like that a lot more than they want the dry and boring guys like Troy Aikman who sucks pretty badly himself. Unfortunately that is what the networks want.
No one said Skip should tone it down.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Scooter
Funky
I'll go ahead and say it. I held you in much higher esteem before this post (though still high because I've read your opinions). Skip and Stephen A are nothing but antagonists ... or loud idiots. They know just enough about the topics to push buttons and yell idiotic thoughts that will gather the easily influenced into supporting or refuting their outlandish stances. Wannabe shock jocks. I've had their shows on as background noise enough to know that there is ZERO educational or even factual value in what they say. I absolutely do have a loss of respect for anyone who views their programs with any thought in mind. However, if you're taking them as nothing but the sports version of Kardashian-esque entertainment value, go for it. If you've ever used something these morons say as part of a sports discussion - every opinion you'll ever have is rendered invalid.
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Say What??? I am at work now and at lunch, oh wait until I get home -- then I will respond when I organize my thoughts, perhaps before the game!
Texian
Hall of Fame
or a waste of people's time
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
It'd be fun to see Mr. Aikman goon Bayless once right where the jaw meets the upper skull. I'd pay $20 to see that.
Scooter
Funky
Don't spend too much thought on it, I just used your post as the starting point for my fairly incoherent rant against Skip and Stephen A. I meant no offense towards you at all, though I guess it didn't come out that way - my apologies.
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Showtime100
Got JJ?
I once heard Skip say, in response to a player hitting for the cycle the night before, that hitting for the cycle "tells me he didn't hit the ball well in 3 of the 4 at-bats."
He fit into ESPN well. Ratings at all cost over quality. I can see how the Cowboy players were literally about to drum him physically out of Dallas when he was writing there.
He fit into ESPN well. Ratings at all cost over quality. I can see how the Cowboy players were literally about to drum him physically out of Dallas when he was writing there.
Offended? ME, no offense taken at all. I was just going to take a chance at my convenience to defend my preference.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
It's like someone who likes keeping up with kardashians. These people should lose thier rights to vote. Or at least confirm the authenticity of their GED.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
What? Say it ain't so. I guess it kind of makes sense since skip Bayless is to sports what Taco Bell is to Mexican food.I still can't believe this guy is related to him:
One of my favorite chefs that I like seeing on tv.
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My take on First Take is that I enjoy the entertainment. When Skip was there, I appreciated his years of experience in the sports world as much as him being a proud member of Cowboys Nation. He never failed in his reference to his loyalty to the Boys, but at the same time could offer criticism as needed. I looked forward to the stimulating debates with substance and was always curious about what the next episode would bring.
I enjoyed Cari Carpenter's role as a moderator and thought that her presence would really be missed. However, I think that Molly Qerim does a great job in hanging in there with the boys. When Skip announced that he was leaving, on the short term I could not imagine how the show would work without Stephen A. and Skip's passionate debates, BUT, Max Kellerman is a good choice, IMO. Whether I agree or not on some of the takes, they still present a good argument.
I also enjoy the assortment of special guests that offer their perspective on the day's topics. I am amused with Stephen A.'s constant reference to the Cowboys being an accident waiting to happen and how I wish that for the most part that he could be wrong. I also have seen how he can be a good sport if he loses one of his passionate arguments. For example, two years ago when the Cowboys won the division, he actually wore a Romo jersey on the set, and lost another argument about Jerry Jones, where again he honored his bet. One of my favorites "I know it was a catch (laugh) but I don't care."
I appreciate the sports knowledge that they possess, and as good as I think they are, they are like all others offering opinions based on their experience, analysis, and research in the sports while bringing in experts in the various fields to offer they comments. I can appreciate other sports commentators that provide a wealth of information, but I need a little spark. Therefore, I recognize and give credit to others in the field, I'm too restless to watch experts read from a teleprompter for two hours.
BTW, I am not a fan of the Kardashians show and have watched enough to be assured that each episode continues to bore me, but like First Take, for those who do enjoy I'm happy that the shows are available for their entertainment.
Stephen A. also reminds me of my late Godson Steven L. who was a passionate 49er fan and how much he reminded me of Stephen A. in debate and criticism. When it came discussing the Cowboys we could take it to the rooftop. I find it laughable the he could argue as strongly as Stephen A. and actually resembled him in appearance except for height. That is my final reason that the show has taken on an additional importance because I can always see the fond memories. RIP Steven L. Harmon.
I enjoyed Cari Carpenter's role as a moderator and thought that her presence would really be missed. However, I think that Molly Qerim does a great job in hanging in there with the boys. When Skip announced that he was leaving, on the short term I could not imagine how the show would work without Stephen A. and Skip's passionate debates, BUT, Max Kellerman is a good choice, IMO. Whether I agree or not on some of the takes, they still present a good argument.
I also enjoy the assortment of special guests that offer their perspective on the day's topics. I am amused with Stephen A.'s constant reference to the Cowboys being an accident waiting to happen and how I wish that for the most part that he could be wrong. I also have seen how he can be a good sport if he loses one of his passionate arguments. For example, two years ago when the Cowboys won the division, he actually wore a Romo jersey on the set, and lost another argument about Jerry Jones, where again he honored his bet. One of my favorites "I know it was a catch (laugh) but I don't care."
I appreciate the sports knowledge that they possess, and as good as I think they are, they are like all others offering opinions based on their experience, analysis, and research in the sports while bringing in experts in the various fields to offer they comments. I can appreciate other sports commentators that provide a wealth of information, but I need a little spark. Therefore, I recognize and give credit to others in the field, I'm too restless to watch experts read from a teleprompter for two hours.
BTW, I am not a fan of the Kardashians show and have watched enough to be assured that each episode continues to bore me, but like First Take, for those who do enjoy I'm happy that the shows are available for their entertainment.
Stephen A. also reminds me of my late Godson Steven L. who was a passionate 49er fan and how much he reminded me of Stephen A. in debate and criticism. When it came discussing the Cowboys we could take it to the rooftop. I find it laughable the he could argue as strongly as Stephen A. and actually resembled him in appearance except for height. That is my final reason that the show has taken on an additional importance because I can always see the fond memories. RIP Steven L. Harmon.
Like I said, the national enquirer ain't goin' outta business anytime soon either.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
This is a 5 year old interview Aikman did with a Dallas radio station. FF to about 16:25 if you don't want to listen to the whole thing (it's pretty interesting, IMO), but it'll be pretty interesting if those 2 ever run into each other.
http://www.theunticket.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/BaD-Radio-Interviews-Troy-Aikman-08.30.11.mp3
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
So THAT'S where that came from! Why is a guy who thinks the Cowboys are going to the Superbowl EVERY year messing with a guy who even cowboy HATERS actually LIKE!?
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Aikman (unlike many of his former team mates) is a class act. He wouldn't stoop to Bayless' level.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
First Take was (could still be) everything that is wrong with ESPN. Two egotistical guys, who enjoy nothing more than to hear themselves speak, rant about sports. I actually dislike Stephen A as much or even more than Skip Bayless.
Because it made him a ton of money.
Because sports isn't immune to celebrity spectacle.
Because even no-nonsense sports fan who mocks Kardashian watcher is just as gullible.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
That's just crap. Not what you are saying, but that this is the way it is. In my eyes Skip Bayless has zero credibility and is nothing more than a troll, literally just a troll. He used to be a good reporter from what people on the radio say but I guess being a phony persona wrestling character is more profitable than being credible.
I agree completely, but ... free market, bud. As long as people are willing to give him attention (and by proxy, money) then it's hard to point too derogatory a finger at him. He's as full of sh*t as it gets and he's absolutely a dirt merchant, and people can't get enough sensational low hanging fruit bullsh*t. His contract with Fox Sports is reportedly $26M/4-yrs, so someone is buying his particular brand of smut.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Skippy is the Jerry springer of sports talk.
TexasCowboy
Straight Talker
When watching a Skip Bayless or a Stephan A Smith I feel it's like watching 2
retards beating themselves up, rather than beating each other up! and that is
great for entertainment value, But fans want real investigative reporting...Not
the fragments pieced together to make something sound like truth, So I agree
with Troy perhaps signing Bayless to square off with Shannon Sharpe wasn't the
greatest idea in the world. However, people will tune into what they have to
say and Aikman's disgust will go unnoticed and discarded
retards beating themselves up, rather than beating each other up! and that is
great for entertainment value, But fans want real investigative reporting...Not
the fragments pieced together to make something sound like truth, So I agree
with Troy perhaps signing Bayless to square off with Shannon Sharpe wasn't the
greatest idea in the world. However, people will tune into what they have to
say and Aikman's disgust will go unnoticed and discarded
This is the kind of crap that makes ESPN pull down the value of my Disney stock. That show is the Jerry Springer of sports talk.
Damn, beat me to it.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
People enjoy entertainment more than anything. Especially if it involves lies, scandal and intrigue. The truth is no longer adequate or satisfying enough in today's social media world.
Like many, I thrive over these stories and all of the bickering and nonsense. It's all entertainment to me. What else is it good for? Isn't that what sports and politics are to most of us? Entertainment? I'm not making any money on it unless I'm gambling or selling a story to the tabloids.
I used to have pride in great journalism and factual reporting. I myself have been a freelance writer on different platforms. But for some reason people don't seem to like the simple truth and facts. I've even had people call me boring and bland for giving an honest assessment through some of my work. They desire, and often demand, outrageous and exciting stories that typically bend the truth. That is what will generate more of a fan base.
TexasCowboy
Straight Talker
I agree that people like entertainment and if it keeps the sheeple bickering back and forth
while truth is suppressed...the media has done it's job as you put it people would rather
have the lies, scandals and intrigue but as more and more people awake to what is really
going out there. They want truth and that good honest assessment of journalism that is
willing to report what people want to hear over fiction
Ironic how using the trendy term 'sheeple' sounds.
TexasCowboy
Straight Talker
No irony in the fact people watch the media and think their not being mislead when in fact they are
Not sure which part of that sentence went clear over your head.
Doesn't matter though.
TexasCowboy
Straight Talker
Correct it doesn't matter time for the sheeple to head back to bed
since they have no interest in the real truth
TexasCowboy
Straight Talker
Nothing like watching sheeple obeying their puppet masters orders
but they aren't brainwashed 1 bit
Seriously, are your batteries low?
I just said you using a term that many people use to describe many people was ironically silly. Because it continuously is.
Now you've gone into full glitch mode and into some kind of nonsense loop about nothing that had to do with what I actually said.
TexasCowboy
Straight Talker
Do you hear yourself?? I am serious now...Ironic, silly, why? because I happen to be
right that people who have been given the ability to think for themselves, chose to
stay asleep and ignore the real things going on around them. That is what this has
now become that very topic, Media brainwashing and bickering over the most asinine
things so that we stay away from the truth
Bayless, Sharp, Stephen A Smith, Kellerman and other media idiots do their job
now it's our job to switch them off and no longer let them influence us with their
lies
right that people who have been given the ability to think for themselves, chose to
stay asleep and ignore the real things going on around them. That is what this has
now become that very topic, Media brainwashing and bickering over the most asinine
things so that we stay away from the truth
Bayless, Sharp, Stephen A Smith, Kellerman and other media idiots do their job
now it's our job to switch them off and no longer let them influence us with their
lies
Read the second sentence of my last post. Take your time. Then read the third sentence. Take another moment or two. Or three, even.
Process it a bit. Have a drink or a snack. Process it a bit more. No rush, buddy. Little deep breathing. Write it out if you need to. That's ok too.
Nothing in these last few posts to do with Bayless, Sharpe, Smith, or Kellerman. See?
Probably a good time for a nap now before you get all cranky again.
Process it a bit. Have a drink or a snack. Process it a bit more. No rush, buddy. Little deep breathing. Write it out if you need to. That's ok too.
Nothing in these last few posts to do with Bayless, Sharpe, Smith, or Kellerman. See?
Probably a good time for a nap now before you get all cranky again.
TexasCowboy
Straight Talker
Ok moving right along now
