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Todd McShay's 2017 NFL Mock Draft

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Draft 1.0



1.) Cleveland Browns

Jonathan Allen, DE, Alabama

Let's get this out of the way: No QB in this class is worth the No. 1 pick. The Browns just need more good football players. Allen is a total game-plan wrecker along the defense front (13 tackles for loss, 15 QB hurries). Texas A&M pass-rusher Myles Garrett also figures to be in the mix here.

2.) San Francisco 49ers

Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M*

Considering the lack of elite QB/WR talent in this class, the 49ers would be thrilled to see Garrett fall to them at No. 2. Tied with LSU RB Leonard Fournette for my best grade in this class, Garrett is the most disruptive pass-rusher in college football, with 21 sacks and 20 QB hurries in 23 games the past two seasons.

3.) Jacksonville Jaguars

Jamal Adams, S, LSU*

Assuming he leaves school early, Adams will be one of the most complete players in this draft. He can stuff the run as an in-the-box safety, he can cover and he's a great leader to bring into your locker room. The Jaguars need to continue to invest resources in their secondary.

4.) Chicago Bears

Jabrill Peppers, S/OLB, Michigan*

The Bears are another team likely to be in the market for a QB this offseason without a good option at the top of the draft. Peppers would make sense, given Chicago's lack of difference-makers in the secondary. He's a true hybrid player, with the speed and athleticism to thrive in space and the toughness to play bigger than his 205-pound frame.

5.) Tennessee Titans (from Rams)

Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State*

The Titans have the good fortune of not needing to even consider a quarterback with the pick they received in the Jared Goff trade. Lattimore could use some more game experience, but if he leaves Columbus early, CB-needy teams such as the Titans could be enticed by the natural talent he has displayed on the perimeter in his first year as a starter.

6.) New York Jets

Tim Williams, OLB, Alabama

Williams is disruptive -- if a little inconsistent -- with excellent first-step quickness off the edge. Nearly all of his tackles for loss this season came against SEC opponents (14 of the 15.5 total). A pass-rusher could very well be near the top of the Jets' needs by the time April rolls around.

7.) Carolina Panthers

Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU*

Fournette hasn't budged from the No. 1 spot in my prospect rankings all season. He is a rare talent for the position, the best college running back I've evaluated since Adrian Peterson in 2007. And though he has been hampered by an ankle injury all season, he has put up off-the-charts production when healthy. It would be great value for the Panthers if Fournette were to fall out of the top five.

8.) New Orleans Saints

Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama*

At 6-foot-1, 196 pounds, Humphrey has ideal size for the cornerback position. He has 27 games of experience against high-level competition in his career, racking up five interceptions and 12 pass breakups. The Saints need to continue to add pieces to their defense, particularly in the secondary.

9.) Cleveland Browns (from Eagles)

Takkarist McKinley, OLB, UCLA

Taking the versatile Jonathan Allen with the No. 1 overall pick would allow the Browns to target McKinley with the second of their first-round picks. The UCLA pass-rusher has elite speed off the edge, which has helped make him one of the biggest draft risers this season (18.0 tackles for loss 10.0 sacks in 11 games). Florida State RB Dalvin Cook could also be in the conversation here for an offense that will be looking for more home run hitters.

10.) San Diego Chargers

Mike Williams, WR, Clemson*

At 6-foot-3, Williams profiles as a legitimate No. 1 weapon at the next level. He shows an excellent ability to create late separation when the ball is in the air, scoring 10 touchdowns this season. Coming off a scary neck injury to open the 2015 campaign, Williams has done it all for the Tigers in his return to the field.

11.) Arizona Cardinals

Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama

A tackling machine who flies to the ball, Foster shows a good combination of agility and speed for a 240-pounder. He's one of the 10 best players in this class, but positional value could cause him to slip a little bit. QB is also a possibility for Arizona, given Carson Palmer's age (37) and declining play.

12.) Cincinnati Bengals

Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee*

Barnett's production was outstanding in his first two seasons at Tennessee, but he has taken it to another level in 2016 with an SEC-leading 12.0 sacks. He has good size (6-3, 265) and agility and a consistent motor. The Bengals need more speed at defensive end and linebacker.

13.) Indianapolis Colts

Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama*

Andrew Luck has been constantly under siege behind an offensive line that is still searching for answers. So whether it's in the first round or in free agency, the Colts need to devote resources to protect Luck and improve the run game. Robinson isn't an elite pass-blocker, but he's a plug-and-play right tackle who can develop at the next level.

14.) Buffalo Bills

Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin

Ramczyk has just one year of full-time starting experience at the FBS level after transferring from UW-Stevens Points (Division III), but he's loaded with talent. With a long and sturdy frame (6-6, 314), he's very effective in pass protection and as a run-blocker. Cornerback and wide receiver could also be options for the Bills.

15.) Baltimore Ravens

Charles Harris, DE, Missouri*

A twitchy athlete off the edge, Harris led the SEC with 18.5 tackles for loss in 2015 and finished this season with 5.5 sacks and six QB hurries in his final four games. He has tons of raw ability as a pass-rusher, and Baltimore needs to continue to add youth off the edge with Terrell Suggs turning 35 next season.
 
16.) Miami Dolphins

O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama

Lucky for teams like the Dolphins who have a need at the position, this is a loaded class with tight ends at the top. Howard, Michigan's Jake Butt and Virginia Tech's Bucky Hodges all look like top-40 picks. Howard's size-speed combination gives him a lot of upside, but his production has been streaky in Alabama's run-heavy offense.

17.) Tennessee Titans

John Ross, WR, Washington*

Ross has always had great speed, but he improved his route running this year and saw immediate dividends with a 17-touchdown season. If he runs as fast as expected at the NFL combine, he could very well be a first-rounder.

18.) Philadelphia Eagles (from Vikings)

Teez Tabor, CB, Florida*

Tabor has terrific ball skills, with four interceptions, five pass breakups and a defensive TD in 11 games this season -- and that comes on the heels of a 2015 season in which he had four interceptions and 14 pass breakups. Tabor's natural anticipation skills would fill a big need for the Eagles.

19.) Houston Texans

Carl Lawson, OLB, Auburn*

Not many pass-rushers in this class can match Lawson's combination of production, upside and intangibles. He's a film junkie who posted an astounding 24 QB hurries and nine sacks this season. Plus, he's an elite run defender. Lawson's medical reports will be critical; he endured back-to-back injury-plagued seasons in 2014 and 2015.


20.) Green Bay Packers

Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State*

Yes, I know GM Ted Thompson has never drafted a running back this high, but there's no doubt the Packers need more explosive playmakers like Cook, who ranks tied for second among all Power 5 RBs this season with 15 touches of 25 yards or more. It would be good value to get a top-10 player at this stage of the first round.

21.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Malik McDowell, DT, Michigan State*

McDowell has supreme talent, and he can be a menace as an inside rusher when he's locked in. But McDowell could fall a bit, because he's not the consistent grinder that typically comes out of Michigan State. Tampa will be in the market for more pass-rushers.

22). Washington Redskins

JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, USC*

Watching Smith-Schuster's tape, it's clear that he loves the game and works hard. He's not a burner by any stretch, but his good size (6-2, 220), ball skills and toughness will keep him in the first-round mix for teams with a need at the position, such as Washington, which could lose Pierre Garcon and DeSean Jackson to free agency.

23). Denver Broncos

Caleb Brantley, DT, Florida*

Brantley can be a load to handle in the run game, as he showed in back-to-back games this season against LSU and Florida State (five tackles for loss). His combination of quickness and functional strength would make him a good fit for the Broncos, who will be looking for help along the D-line this offseason.

24). Detroit Lions

Jarrad Davis, LB, Florida

Davis finds so many ways to affect a game. He makes plays in the backfield (six tackles for loss and five QB hurries) and is athletic enough to hold up in coverage. Davis' game is similar to that of Bucs OLB Kwon Alexander because of his excellent range and a relentless motor.

25.) New York Giants

D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas*

Foreman is one of the most underrated prospects in this class. You can tell by looking at him that he's a load to bring down (6-1, 249), but what makes him special are his quick feet. Foreman, who led the FBS in rushing this season with 2,028 yards, also has some ability as a blocker and pass-catcher.

26.) Pittsburgh Steelers

Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan

If you were watching the Michigan-Ohio State game, you might've noticed Charlton's game-wrecking ability (2.5 sacks). He was Michigan's best pass-rusher this season (nine sacks in 10 games). He has the versatility to convert to a 3-4 OLB in the Steelers' base defense. Jarvis Jones and James Harrison are both set to be free agents.

27.) Atlanta Falcons

Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida*

I haven't done as much tape on Wilson as I have on his teammate Teez Tabor, but some scouts I've talked to think Wilson's ceiling is higher. At 6-foot-1, he has a good length/speed combination, and he's experienced, with 38 games played, including 23 starts. The Falcons need to find a way to bolster their secondary and defensive line.

28.) Oakland Raiders

Jourdan Lewis, CB, Michigan

Lewis has some size limitations (5-11, 186), which makes him a bit of a reach here, but he's the best pure cover corner in college football. He had two interceptions and 10 pass breakups, despite opponents often shying away from throwing to his side of the field. The Raiders' secondary has been an issue this season as they continue to rebuild the defense.

29.) Seattle Seahawks

Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame*

McGlinchey has held firm that he's likely to return to school, but for now he's eligible. While he'd benefit from one more year of physical development and technique work, an OT-needy team such as the Seahawks would give McGlinchey a long look because of his length and upside if he decided to leave early.

30.) Kansas City Chiefs

Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina*

Inside linebacker and safety will be bigger needs, but everyone knows how much Andy Reid likes to draft quarterbacks. Trubisky has some red flags as a prospect, including just 12 college starts to his name, but the opportunity to draft a quarterback to sit and develop behind Alex Smith could entice the Chiefs' front office. Trubisky has shown impressive accuracy (68.9 completion percentage) and an ability to limit mistakes (only four turnovers all season).

31.) Dallas Cowboys

Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford

The Cowboys will be in the market for defensive line help this offseason; I'm just not sure who will be available this late in the first round. Thomas has good size (6-3, 273) and strength, he's stout against the run and he rushes the QB with quickness and power (13 tackles for loss, seven sacks and seven QB hurries).

32.) New England Patriots

Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford*

Bill Belichick and Tom Brady would have fun figuring out creative ways to utilize McCaffrey's versatile skill set. He's a true threat in both the run and pass game, finishing his college career with nearly 4,000 rushing yards and 1,206 receiving yards. He has a rare combination of vision, lateral agility and acceleration, which shows up in the return game, too.
 
If the draft fell this way my pick for the Texans would be

McGlinchey, Feeney or TJ Watt.
 
If the draft fell this way my pick for the Texans would be

McGlinchey, Feeney or TJ Watt.

What do you think about Cam Robinson and Ryan Ramczyk? About right? Worth trading up for? Any drop off between them and McGlinchey?
I haven't gotten into the draft yet. I know you're normally one of the few tracking guys all year.
 
If McDowell is there, you have to pick him. The dude is a top 10 talent. Put him on the other side of the DL, and opposing offenses would be screwed. Also, it would be some nice insurance in case Watt does not return to form.
 
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What do you think about Cam Robinson and Ryan Ramczyk? About right? Worth trading up for? Any drop off between them and McGlinchey?
I haven't gotten into the draft yet. I know you're normally one of the few tracking guys all year.

If Robinson fell to the 15-20 range (Doubtful) I would trade up for him. He will be a serviceable LT (King Dunlop) and a great RT. (Fluker) IMHO. His feet are good, not great. He's a huge powerful human being. (Great RT) A ten yr starter. IMHO
 
If Robinson fell to the 15-20 range (Doubtful) I would trade up for him. He will be a serviceable LT (King Dunlop) and a great RT. (Fluker) IMHO. His feet are good, not great. He's a huge powerful human being. (Great RT) A ten yr starter. IMHO

Fluker actually already got moved to OG because his pass pro was so bad. I definitely see Robinson in that Fluker/Andre Smith mold but I do think he's the most talented of the 3. I don't see 'franchise LT' with him tho. Agree that he's a RT.

Just to show how weak this OT draft is...I would probably rate Robinson my #1 OT right now. I would have drafted him behind Stanley, Tunsil, Conklin, & Spriggs last year.
 
Fluker actually already got moved to OG because his pass pro was so bad. I definitely see Robinson in that Fluker/Andre Smith mold but I do think he's the most talented of the 3. I don't see 'franchise LT' with him tho. Agree that he's a RT.

Just to show how weak this OT draft is...I would probably rate Robinson my #1 OT right now. I would have drafted him behind Stanley, Tunsil, Conklin, & Spriggs last year.

Agreed on the OT's you listed.

Under the radar OT's I really like that I've seen are

1.McGlinchey, (Day 1 starter at RT and can possibly play LT.
2. McDermott, Former basketball player, Great feet, huge guy who needs to improve his functional playing strength, Has played both RT/LT in college at a high level.
3. Garrett Balles- This guy is tough as nails, probably a RT only, definitely an OG. Nasty strong finisher, play LT at Utah.

If you get a chance give these guys a look see and tell me your thoughts.
 
Agreed on the OT's you listed.

Under the radar OT's I really like that I've seen are

1.McGlinchey, (Day 1 starter at RT and can possibly play LT.
2. McDermott, Former basketball player, Great feet, huge guy who needs to improve his functional playing strength, Has played both RT/LT in college at a high level.
3. Garrett Balles- This guy is tough as nails, probably a RT only, definitely an OG. Nasty strong finisher, play LT at Utah.

If you get a chance give these guys a look see and tell me your thoughts.

I've watched a lot of McGlinchey. He reminds me of Andrus Peat. That's both a compliment as well as a criticism.

I loved McDermott the first time I saw him a few years ago. I like him a little less every time I've seen him since.

I like Bolles but he's also about to be 25 years old which may explain why he's such a dominant run blocker in college. I'm a bigger fan of his teammate J.J. Dielman although that was pre-injury.
 
If this were to happen, you take Cook. He's a game changer on offense and I'm not being biased here.

We need to take a QB, several offensive linemen an inside linebacker and atleast one safety this year. I'd like to address one of those in the 1st round, but if you are drafting this low and you can take a player like Cook, you do it without question. He's going to be a top 5 NFL RB if he avoids injury. He beats NFL talent to the corner, stiff arms NFL talent in the hole, is patient as can be, and can pass pro/receive. He's all about winning, and is a vocal leader. He won't get past #15 IMO.
 
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McShay is always so clueless. Trubisky at #30 to the Chiefs? How is a guy that's supposed to studying NFL prospects all season always the last one to learn about the guys that will likely be taken at the top of the draft?

Especially when all the teams at the top are teams that have a common characteristic... No QB
 
McShay is always so clueless. Trubisky at #30 to the Chiefs? How is a guy that's supposed to studying NFL prospects all season always the last one to learn about the guys that will likely be taken at the top of the draft?

Especially when all the teams at the top are teams that have a common characteristic... No QB

Trubisky has 13 career starts and plays in a passing spread that is notorious for inflating QB numbers. Not everyone sees him as a slam dunk.
 
Trubisky has 13 career starts and plays in a passing spread that is notorious for inflating QB numbers. Not everyone sees him as a slam dunk.

Do you see the first QB of the draft being taken at #30 or later?

Do you think Mitch T doesn't get drafted in the first 15 picks?

Minus something crazy happening like being accused of murdering ex-GF days before the draft or pictures in a gas mask released hours before the draft or the dreaded DWI, I think this guy definitely hears his name called early. I also won't be shocked when 3 maybe even 4 QBs hear their name called on day 1.
 
I don't think McShay is mocking trying to accurately guess what Cleveland, or any team, will do so much as what he thinks is best for that team given his player draft board. Pretty typical mocking really. He thinks Trubisky is a decent prospect but teams like Clev/SF/Jax/etc need a lot more/better players up and down their rosters than just a decent QB prospect if they have any realistic hopes of turning their sorry situations around. And frankly he's not wrong for thinking that.

A team getting desperate and QB hungry leading up to the draft is entirely likely, doesn't mean it's in the best interest of the team. And trying to gauge accurately what each team is most likely to do is kind of silly without being involved more closely with that organization. It's a league-wide mock, not a fan-friendly one-team oriented kind.
 
If this were to happen, you take Cook. He's a game changer on offense and I'm not being biased here.

We need to take a QB, several offensive linemen an inside linebacker and atleast one safety this year. I'd like to address one of those in the 1st round, but if you are drafting this low and you can take a player like Cook, you do it without question. He's going to be a top 5 NFL RB if he avoids injury. He beats NFL talent to the corner, stiff arms NFL talent in the hole, is patient as can be, and can pass pro/receive. He's all about winning, and is a vocal leader. He won't get past #15 IMO.
I advocated for a RB high last year so am not against it this time with so much talent on offer. Even McCaffrey looks intriguing.
However, Texans are loathe to take them high and with such dire needs along the trenches I doubt they do it this year either.
Oline is am obvious dire need because I seriously doubt Newton will be back and even if he does, he will be a statue.
And they may seek insurance for JJ but need another guy on that dline even if JJ is good to go. If Malik is there, they will be hard pressed to bypass him.
I would love to see Jamal Adams in a Texans uni next season but he won't make it out of the top ten.
 
If this were to happen, you take Cook. He's a game changer on offense and I'm not being biased here.

We need to take a QB, several offensive linemen an inside linebacker and atleast one safety this year. I'd like to address one of those in the 1st round, but if you are drafting this low and you can take a player like Cook, you do it without question. He's going to be a top 5 NFL RB if he avoids injury. He beats NFL talent to the corner, stiff arms NFL talent in the hole, is patient as can be, and can pass pro/receive. He's all about winning, and is a vocal leader. He won't get past #15 IMO.
I advocated for a RB high last year so am not against it this time with so much talent on offer. Even McCaffrey looks intriguing.
However, Texans are loathe to take them high and with such dire needs along the trenches I doubt they do it this year either.
Oline is an obvious dire need because I seriously doubt Newton will be back and even if he does, he will be a statue.
And they may seek insurance for JJ but need another guy on that dline even if JJ is good to go. If Malik is there, they will be hard pressed to bypass him.
I would love to see Jamal Adams in a Texans uni next season but he won't make it out of the top ten.
 
I don't think McShay is mocking trying to accurately guess what Cleveland, or any team, will do so much as what he thinks is best for that team given his player draft board. Pretty typical mocking really. He thinks Trubisky is a decent prospect but teams like Clev/SF/Jax/etc need a lot more/better players up and down their rosters than just a decent QB prospect if they have any realistic hopes of turning their sorry situations around. And frankly he's not wrong for thinking that.

A team getting desperate and QB hungry leading up to the draft is entirely likely, doesn't mean it's in the best interest of the team. And trying to gauge accurately what each team is most likely to do is kind of silly without being involved more closely with that organization. It's a league-wide mock, not a fan-friendly one-team oriented kind.

OK. I guess everyone sees things differently. I believe that QBs are some of the hardest positions to grade and it's just a cop out to not even try to put any up there.

No one ever seems to remember when someone completely blows it and overrates a guy like Barkevious Mingo, but everyone will murder you if you rate a QB too high. I just think it's a cop out. To not say that 1 of Trubisky, Kizer, or Watson are even close to a top 15 pick is just the easy way out.

Since this is "Texans Talk" though we can talk about the O Lineman we really need today and the shifty DB with good hips we draft instead on draft day.
 
OK. I guess everyone sees things differently. I believe that QBs are some of the hardest positions to grade and it's just a cop out to not even try to put any up there.

No one ever seems to remember when someone completely blows it and overrates a guy like Barkevious Mingo, but everyone will murder you if you rate a QB too high. I just think it's a cop out. To not say that 1 of Trubisky, Kizer, or Watson are even close to a top 15 pick is just the easy way out.

Since this is "Texans Talk" though we can talk about the O Lineman we really need today and the shifty DB with good hips we draft instead on draft day.

A busted QB is far more detrimental to a team than a busted Berkevious Mingo. Cleveland of all teams should know this.

And it's not a cop out if McShay doesn't have a QB rated as highly as TexansFTW does. You're acting like he's not aware of the QB's out there, when instead he just doesn't agree that they're that solid. Disagree =/= lazy.

Not sure how you can say it's the easy way out either when it's the opposite of the run-of-the-mill put a QB in the top 5 kind of mock. Against the grain is rarely considered easy. He's saying that given the guys who are out there, those teams would be best suited to continue building before marrying a no better than decent prospect. Looking at Jonathon Allen, Myles Garrett, Jamal Adams, Jabrill Peppers, etc, versus the lukewarm QB prospects this year I can't say I blame him.
 
A busted QB is far more detrimental to a team than a busted Berkevious Mingo. Cleveland of all teams should know this.

And it's not a cop out if McShay doesn't have a QB rated as highly as TexansFTW does. You're acting like he's not aware of the QB's out there, when instead he just doesn't agree that they're that solid. Disagree =/= lazy.

Not sure how you can say it's the easy way out either when it's the opposite of the run-of-the-mill put a QB in the top 5 kind of mock. Against the grain is rarely considered easy. He's saying that given the guys who are out there, those teams would be best suited to continue building before marrying a no better than decent prospect. Looking at Jonathon Allen, Myles Garrett, Jamal Adams, Jabrill Peppers, etc, versus the lukewarm QB prospects this year I can't say I blame him.

While I agree with this post. I also agree with TexFTW in that Trubinski is going to be a really good NFL QB. Good arm/mobility/accuracy, how good he will be comes down to how quickly he can process what he sees on the field/work ethic, watching film etc...

He has the physical ability.
 
I advocated for a RB high last year so am not against it this time with so much talent on offer. Even McCaffrey looks intriguing.
However, Texans are loathe to take them high and with such dire needs along the trenches I doubt they do it this year either.
Oline is an obvious dire need because I seriously doubt Newton will be back and even if he does, he will be a statue.
And they may seek insurance for JJ but need another guy on that dline even if JJ is good to go. If Malik is there, they will be hard pressed to bypass him.
I would love to see Jamal Adams in a Texans uni next season but he won't make it out of the top ten.

If Cook is on the board you pick him, then draft a McDermott or Cole in the 2nd/3rd. This guy will be a great NFL RB and if he stays healthy a differencemaker. Teams get into trouble drafting for need over talent. (See most Texans drafts)

BTW, with Cook's past McNair will never allow Cook to be picked. Meanwhile the Pats will probably pick him and hence the difference between orgs that put winning 1st and corporate teams.
 
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If Cook is on the board you pick him, then draft a McDermott or Cole in the 2nd/3rd. This guy will be a great NFL RB and if he stays healthy a differencemaker. Teams get into trouble drafting for need over talent. (See most Texans drafts)

BTW, with Cook's past McNair will never allow Cook to be picked. Meanwhile the Pats will probably pick him and hence the difference between orgs that put winning 1st and corporate teams.
I do see a scenario where Texans take Cook, and that is if they need to go heavily with the run - ergo, Brock is still underperforming as a passer and need to step up the scoring opportunities.
One thing is for sure though, Texans need help in the trenches on both sides of the ball and if their top rated dude is on the board, they will bypass any RB on the board.
 
A busted QB is far more detrimental to a team than a busted Berkevious Mingo. Cleveland of all teams should know this.

And it's not a cop out if McShay doesn't have a QB rated as highly as TexansFTW does. You're acting like he's not aware of the QB's out there, when instead he just doesn't agree that they're that solid. Disagree =/= lazy.

Not sure how you can say it's the easy way out either when it's the opposite of the run-of-the-mill put a QB in the top 5 kind of mock. Against the grain is rarely considered easy. He's saying that given the guys who are out there, those teams would be best suited to continue building before marrying a no better than decent prospect. Looking at Jonathon Allen, Myles Garrett, Jamal Adams, Jabrill Peppers, etc, versus the lukewarm QB prospects this year I can't say I blame him.

Except McShay does this EVERY year, and I would bet you anything come the week before draft day he's going to have 1-3 QBs in the top 29, when he "watches more film". Today he has zero. McShay is a clown, he does this every year. He's got no real opinions, he just took the cop out method of rating a QB and when more info comes out saying "these are the QBs to like" he will suddenly like them and rate them high.

I made similar comments last year too. The cycle never changes, just someone new defending McShay.

I think it's easy to say there are no deserving QBs, that's the trend of this message board year in and year out, but then we see QBs transform their respective teams year in and year out too.

Texans probably need another D Lineman though, that's gonna put us over the top.
 
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I don't really see a QB that should be rated all that high either. I'm sure one will impress once on an NFL team and people will say he was underrated, but looking at it now, there really isn't a guy that should be ranked all that highly based on the information we have.
 
I don't really see a QB that should be rated all that high either. I'm sure one will impress once on an NFL team and people will say he was underrated, but looking at it now, there really isn't a guy that should be ranked all that highly based on the information we have.

To each their own. I guess we all have opinions.
 
Except McShay does this EVERY year, and I would bet you anything come the week before draft day he's going to have 1-3 QBs in the top 29, when he "watches more film". Today he has zero. McShay is a clown, he does this every year. He's got no real opinions, he just took the cop out method of rating a QB and when more info comes out saying "these are the QBs to like" he will suddenly like them and rate them high.

I made similar comments last year too. The cycle never changes, just someone new defending McShay.

I think it's easy to say there are no deserving QBs, that's the trend of this message board year in and year out, but then we see QBs transform their respective teams year in and year out too.

Texans probably need another D Lineman though, that's gonna put us over the top.

McShay had Paxton Lynch and Jared Goff going 2nd and 5th overall in his last year's version 1 mock.

So, no.
 
McShay had Paxton Lynch and Jared Goff going 2nd and 5th overall in his last year's version 1 mock.

So, no.

Maybe my McShay hate has blinded me.

I am confident nonetheless that he will have QBs climbing in all of his mocks going forward as he talks to more people that know football though.
 
Maybe my McShay hate has blinded me.

I am confident nonetheless that he will have QBs climbing in all of his mocks going forward as he talks to more people that know football though.

You'll see QBs move up, whether that's warranted or not, due to the importance of the position and the increase in information. People will dig deeper into their personalities, their work habits, and they'll get to see them in more drills. Happens every year with atleast one or two guys. Whether it's warranted is another conversation.

This year's class has several guys who's stocks have actually gone down from their highs and others who have risen but haven't played much football at the college level. So, this early evaluation looks pretty spot on with how you'd expect scouts to see things, assuming they have equal information.
 
Maybe my McShay hate has blinded me.

I am confident nonetheless that he will have QBs climbing in all of his mocks going forward as he talks to more people that know football though.
McShay is horrible, one of the worst prognosticators in media. People who fail and get it that wrong usually get fired. McShay is a waste of time. I share your dislike of him ever since he announced during the Cotton Bowl that Jevan Snead was a sure first rounder and should declare for the NFL Draft. Snead a JR declared for the draft, was NEVER drafted and was out of football less than a year later.
 
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QB classes are routinely overrated by the media and stocks get inflated the closer we get to the draft. The important thing is to notice how lukewarm the scouting community is toward the QB's in this class 4 months before the draft. That opinion is based off film review. In 4 months the opinion will be different and that will be based off combines and workouts in shorts. It happens every year. Teams need QB's and will inflate the values the closer we get to the draft. The top 3 QB's all have pretty big warts. Here's my quick rundown on each...


DeShaun Watson, Clemson
- Undersized and not an accurate passer. Plays in a one-read system that uses his legs as the second progression. Doesn't read defenses and turns the ball over far too frequently. Has great production and phenomenal intangibles but is a total project in regard to his fit at the next level. Most of his better skills do not translate.
- Player Comp: Troy Smith
- Grade: 3rd Round


Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina
- Only one year experience as a starter. Has great combination of size, mobility, and arm talent but plays in a passing spread that inflates numbers and relies mostly on screens and quick passes while limiting progression responsibilities. Is he a product of the system? Previous UNC QB's put up identical numbers in same system and did not pan out in NFL.
- Player Comp: Alex Smith
- Grade: 2nd Round


DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
- Great physical tools and prototype skill set but very inconsistent performance. Has routine breakdowns in mechanics and doesn't produce consistently against top competition.
- Player Comp: Carson Palmer
- Grade: 1st Round
 
QB classes are routinely overrated by the media and stocks get inflated the closer we get to the draft. The important thing is to notice how lukewarm the scouting community is toward the QB's in this class 4 months before the draft. That opinion is based off film review. In 4 months the opinion will be different and that will be based off combines and workouts in shorts. It happens every year. Teams need QB's and will inflate the values the closer we get to the draft. The top 3 QB's all have pretty big warts. Here's my quick rundown on each...


DeShaun Watson, Clemson
- Undersized and not an accurate passer. Plays in a one-read system that uses his legs as the second progression. Doesn't read defenses and turns the ball over far too frequently. Has great production and phenomenal intangibles but is a total project in regard to his fit at the next level. Most of his better skills do not translate.
- Player Comp: Troy Smith
- Grade: 3rd Round


Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina
- Only one year experience as a starter. Has great combination of size, mobility, and arm talent but plays in a passing spread that inflates numbers and relies mostly on screens and quick passes while limiting progression responsibilities. Is he a product of the system? Previous UNC QB's put up identical numbers in same system and did not pan out in NFL.
- Player Comp: Alex Smith
- Grade: 2nd Round


DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
- Great physical tools and prototype skill set but very inconsistent performance. Has routine breakdowns in mechanics and doesn't produce consistently against top competition.
- Player Comp: Carson Palmer
- Grade: 1st Round


This is exactly what I'm talking about. When football is over McShay won't have a single quarterback inside the top 30, but I know days before the leadup he will likely have 3.

That's weak IMO. I make up my opinion during the football season. I like watching guys play football and see how they do on the field. For me, combines should hurt you more than anything. "Oh, maybe he's really not that athletic, let me look deeper into his film / game play".

I don't care if the combine shows you are uber athletic and measure well in your SPARQ scores if you never showed it on the field of play.

McShay will add all these guys and say "upon doing more research", but I just believe that his research is this mock draft rolled out right now and the research he does is when he talks to scouts that he believes know more than him and that makes him change his rankings before the draft.

Darian Durant won a CFL title though bro, don't knock former UNC QBs. But who are the other UNC QBs that have looked good like Trubisky? I know TJ Yates went there and we obviously drafted him. He mostly sucked, but I guess he won a playoff game. But looking at Yates stats real quick they aren't that comparable IMO.
 
I think a lot of the "after doing more research" stuff is them getting info from people who are privy to the interview process and background check process. Obviously, a lot of the scouting report is about what's in between the temples and that's not always apparent this early on.
 
I think a lot of the "after doing more research" stuff is them getting info from people who are privy to the interview process and background check process. Obviously, a lot of the scouting report is about what's in between the temples and that's not always apparent this early on.

Also think the 'after doing more research' stuff is getting info from people close to the teams as best one can and the mock transitioning from more of a big board with teams attached version to an actual what teams are more likely to do version.
 
McShay hasn't read enough opinions yet to have one of his own. He's writing fluff pieces for now.

He'll join with the concensus once he figures out what it is
 
Darian Durant won a CFL title though bro, don't knock former UNC QBs. But who are the other UNC QBs that have looked good like Trubisky? I know TJ Yates went there and we obviously drafted him. He mostly sucked, but I guess he won a playoff game. But looking at Yates stats real quick they aren't that comparable IMO.

Marquise Williams and Bryn Renner both put up similar numbers in Fedora's offense.
 
Marquise Williams and Bryn Renner both put up similar numbers in Fedora's offense.

Well fair enough. I hope you're wrong though. Trubisky is my guy with my 2-3 year project being Kizer. I'm pretty excited to watch Trubisky play against Stanford assuming the whole team doesn't sit for health reasons and they have an actual game. I think this will be the last test that puts him over the top for me or if I hate his guts.

I know the Texans will never draft either, and we going O Line, but I can always dream of a world that is different from Rick Smith's reality.
 
JMO, but McShay's mock along with those from all the other so called expert pundits should be read for entertainment value. These guys have no more knowledge of what team is taking what player than you and I do.
 
Well fair enough. I hope you're wrong though. Trubisky is my guy with my 2-3 year project being Kizer. I'm pretty excited to watch Trubisky play against Stanford assuming the whole team doesn't sit for health reasons and they have an actual game. I think this will be the last test that puts him over the top for me or if I hate his guts.

I know the Texans will never draft either, and we going O Line, but I can always dream of a world that is different from Rick Smith's reality.

Who's supposed to be sitting besides McCaffrey?
 
Well fair enough. I hope you're wrong though. Trubisky is my guy with my 2-3 year project being Kizer. I'm pretty excited to watch Trubisky play against Stanford assuming the whole team doesn't sit for health reasons and they have an actual game. I think this will be the last test that puts him over the top for me or if I hate his guts.

I know the Texans will never draft either, and we going O Line, but I can always dream of a world that is different from Rick Smith's reality.

I like him I'm just saying let's slow our roll. Everyone is so desperate for a good QB that they immediately crown the next guy who pops onto the scene. He's started one season and plays in an offense that doesn't prepare you for the next level. There are things to like but he really needs to go back to school and get more experience. I think Kizer should go back too although I don't blame him for trying to get as far away from Brian Kelly as possible.
 
JMO, but McShay's mock along with those from all the other so called expert pundits should be read for entertainment value. These guys have no more knowledge of what team is taking what player than you and I do.
Interested who you think, who you would recommend as a mock-drafter who knew what he was talking about unless you think they are all clueless ?
 
Interested who you think, who you would recommend as a mock-drafter who knew what he was talking about unless you think they are all clueless ?

I think they should all be taken for entertainment value, or as a point of reference with regard to another teams needs, but not taken seriously. There's no way for anyone to accurately predict 32 teams 1st round picks 5 months in advance. They're click bait and conversation starters at best. Our mocks could be just as accurate, and worth just as much as theirs, maybe even more so. Some of our guys Bah007, Wolverinefan, and Texian to name a few (there are others) know their stuff. There are more mocks coming from the pundits that will have crazy picks just for the purpose of being click bait, the more outlandish the more people will click on their companies site which is the real goal. Have fun with them, but don't take them seriously.
 
For me it would come down to McDowell or foreman in this. Scenario. A big strong back that can get tough yards and convert some of those third and shorts into first downs and wear out defenses woooukd be huge for this Offense.

Of course with watts injury status and future production in question combined with wilfork being able to draw social security McDowell would look really nice on that DL.
 
For me it would come down to McDowell or foreman in this. Scenario. A big strong back that can get tough yards and convert some of those third and shorts into first downs and wear out defenses woooukd be huge for this Offense.

Of course with watts injury status and future production in question combined with wilfork being able to draw social security McDowell would look really nice on that DL.

I'd rather get an OL that can wear teams out. Everything would be a lot easier with a dominant OL, obviously. I don't think we'll have the opportunity to get Cook or Fournette and I haven't seen enough of Foreman to be as inclined to take him in the 1st.

I don't think there is a position group that we would benefit more from upgrading than the OL, especially with our QB situation.
 
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