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This is the worst move we could have made period

texanskan

texanskan

Waterboy
I don't care what anyone wants to say about defense wins championships or that DD is the guy for us. Look I will be the first person to say I was wrong if/when we win a super bowl with this current cast of players but I am afraid that aint gonna happen.

We had a chance to take a hometown hero and we passed, now I'm cool with coach saying he belives in Carr and we can win with him. Then we were left with what I thought were two good options, one Bush two trade down. Either A or B I would of been cool with but Mario Williams what?

How is this guys 1 sack, 8 tackels and 2 more qb knock downs worth more than Reggie Bush?

Why the hell do you tender a third round pick for peek and sign Weaver to a huge deal and then go out and take Williams number 1, it's just plain stupid!
 
The most log term disturbing things is the way they came to this conclusion. This is now a completely ruderless ship or the owner is the only rudder in which case we are doomed!
 
OK, you're disappointed. That's understandable. Worst move possible? Hardly. We could have reached for a QB. Heck, we have an obvious need, we could have reached for a DB, when there isn't a Top-10 talent in that group.
 
Well, they think Peek can play LB in the 4-3.

Assume for a moment that it is 3rd and 1... Our dline will likely look like this:
Mario, Travis/Payne, Robaire, AWeaver- that's 1200 lbs of talented linemen that also have passrushing skills. That won't be easy to run on.

How about 3rd and 12... Babin, TJohnson/Robaire, AWeaver, Mario... with Peek playing an OLB position. The QB in that scenario will take a beating.


Does anyone remember the Seattle game last year. Remember the way we were run all over. That won't be happening anymore. I expect a ILB and a CB/FS to be picked up in the first 4 rounds as well. This defense is going to be dramatically different and it's going to be fun to watch.

Let's not forget that there has already been a lot of personnel upgrade on offense: Moulds, Putzier, Flanagan.... not to mention an offensive coaching staff that understands offense.
 
dalemurphy said:
Well, they think Peek can play LB in the 4-3.

Assume for a moment that it is 3rd and 1... Our dline will likely look like this:
Mario, Travis/Payne, Robaire, AWeaver- that's 1200 lbs of talented linemen that also have passrushing skills. That won't be easy to run on.

How about 3rd and 12... Babin, TJohnson/Robaire, AWeaver, Mario... with Peek playing an OLB position. The QB in that scenario will take a beating.


Does anyone remember the Seattle game last year. Remember the way we were run all over. That won't be happening anymore. I expect a ILB and a CB/FS to be picked up in the first 4 rounds as well. This defense is going to be dramatically different and it's going to be fun to watch.

Let's not forget that there has already been a lot of personnel upgrade on offense: Moulds, Putzier, Flanagan.... not to mention an offensive coaching staff that understands offense.
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PLEASE... is you think Mario is going to solve the run defense on his own you are crazy.
 
dalemurphy said:
Well, they think Peek can play LB in the 4-3.

Assume for a moment that it is 3rd and 1... Our dline will likely look like this:
Mario, Travis/Payne, Robaire, AWeaver- that's 1200 lbs of talented linemen that also have passrushing skills. That won't be easy to run on.

How about 3rd and 12... Babin, TJohnson/Robaire, AWeaver, Mario... with Peek playing an OLB position. The QB in that scenario will take a beating.


Does anyone remember the Seattle game last year. Remember the way we were run all over. That won't be happening anymore. I expect a ILB and a CB/FS to be picked up in the first 4 rounds as well. This defense is going to be dramatically different and it's going to be fun to watch.

Let's not forget that there has already been a lot of personnel upgrade on offense: Moulds, Putzier, Flanagan.... not to mention an offensive coaching staff that understands offense.
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ThBeNdS said:
PLEASE... is you think Mario is going to solve the run defense on his own you are crazy.
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TheBeNds,
I love it when people scan an entire intelligent post, see the one name or word that they are looking for, then completely ignore the rest of the post.
you are typical of the rest of the knee-jerk reaction crowd that seems to want to spin everything to support his POV.
Re-read the sentence of the quote that I highlighted in bold text.
Unless I'm actually reading another language and mistakenly enterpreting it as English, I think dalemurphy was talking about more than just Mario.


p.s. if you are a diver as your name leads me to believe, you'd better try and improve your attention to detail. You might get yourself in a bind in the water with that kind of tunnel vision.
 
Someone on the radio made a great point. If we were not going to go after Bush, we should have tried to trade with the Jets for Abraham and their 4th for the pick. We could have had a proven pro bowl pass rusher and either Ferguson, Young, Hawk or Davis. While that was some time ago, it just goes to show that we did not properly get value on this pick...
 
texanskan said:
I don't care what anyone wants to say about defense wins championships or that DD is the guy for us. Look I will be the first person to say I was wrong if/when we win a super bowl with this current cast of players but I am afraid that aint gonna happen.

We had a chance to take a hometown hero and we passed, now I'm cool with coach saying he belives in Carr and we can win with him. Then we were left with what I thought were two good options, one Bush two trade down. Either A or B I would of been cool with but Mario Williams what?

How is this guys 1 sack, 8 tackels and 2 more qb knock downs worth more than Reggie Bush?

Why the hell do you tender a third round pick for peek and sign Weaver to a huge deal and then go out and take Williams number 1, it's just plain stupid!
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Wait a minute. Weaver can't rush the passer. They needed someone to put pressure on the QB and create turnovers. Don't you remember how the Texans went for a long stretch without any turnovers and curiously also went a long stretch without any wins? If left with a choice between Bush and Williams, then it had to be Williams. As far as trading down, you need two to tango and apparently the Texans couldn't find any dance partners.
 
Mario, Travis/Payne, Robaire, AWeaver- that's 1200 lbs of talented linemen that also have passrushing skills. That won't be easy to run on.

Passrushing isnt the same as run stopping. Its acctually the exact oppisite. Charles haley was a pass rusher not a run stopper. HMMM.
 
houstonhurricane said:
Someone on the radio made a great point. If we were not going to go after Bush, we should have tried to trade with the Jets for Abraham and their 4th for the pick. We could have had a proven pro bowl pass rusher and either Ferguson, Young, Hawk or Davis. While that was some time ago, it just goes to show that we did not properly get value on this pick...
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Yeah, like the Jets would have just agreed to it because the Texans willed it so. It takes two to tango when you trade down and I don't believe anybody else had a dance card.
 
Sarg01 said:
OK, you're disappointed. That's understandable. Worst move possible? Hardly. We could have reached for a QB. Heck, we have an obvious need, we could have reached for a DB, when there isn't a Top-10 talent in that group.
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For the last time people. Did Joe Montana spend all day on his back?? No. David is a very good QB and Kubiak will make him better. Kubiak will likely make the O linne better too. But they made a big mistake because Reggie would have been explosive out of the backfield, a threat in the passing game and a very big distraction opening up options for Andre and Jabar.

I really doubt Kubiak is even behind this madness. He cant be. I have too much respect for him.
 
Payne/Travis/Robaire have not proven anything of tremendous value...yet. Abraham was a proven pro bowl pass rusher/run stopper. He was a proven NFL quantity.
 
houstonhurricane said:
Someone on the radio made a great point. If we were not going to go after Bush, we should have tried to trade with the Jets for Abraham and their 4th for the pick. We could have had a proven pro bowl pass rusher and either Ferguson, Young, Hawk or Davis. While that was some time ago, it just goes to show that we did not properly get value on this pick...
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I don't have any info to back up my beliefs, but I'd be willing to wager that the FO made many attempts to trade and get more value from the number one pick. Sometimes the other teams don't want to make the move, and sometimes they don't offer what you want.
Listen, if a bunch of callers on a radio show have the thought of trying to make a trade, you can be sure that actual NFL personell may have had an inkling too...
 
fortunesfool said:
I really doubt Kubiak is even behind this madness. He cant be. I have too much respect for him.
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Another case of someone bending the truth to suit his beliefs...
I'm sure Kubiak out with the sniffles when the decision was made.
 
fortunesfool said:
For the last time people. Did Joe Montana spend all day on his back?? No. David is a very good QB and Kubiak will make him better. Kubiak will likely make the O linne better too. But they made a big mistake because Reggie would have been explosive out of the backfield, a threat in the passing game and a very big distraction opening up options for Andre and Jabar.

I really doubt Kubiak is even behind this madness. He cant be. I have too much respect for him.
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You have to get your mind out of the fantasy football rut! Fantasy football puts no value on line play when in reality it's where games are won and lost. The Texans went a long time without a turnover last year early in the season. At the same time, they went a long time without a victory. Don't you think there is some kind of correlation there? Pass rushers create turnovers and that leads to victories. Bush would have been a part-time player at best with Davis there. Without Bush, the skill positions would still be strong. Williams was the better pick, no doubt about it.
 
michaelm said:
I don't have any info to back up my beliefs, but I'd be willing to wager that the FO made many attempts to trade and get more value from the number one pick. Sometimes the other teams don't want to make the move, and sometimes they don't offer what you want.
Listen, if a bunch of callers on a radio show have the thought of trying to make a trade, you can be sure that actual NFL personell may have had an inkling too...
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No, my point is that the Texans made their decision way too late in the game. Why wouldn't the Jets have made that trade? They received a much lesser pick - 29th I think - for Abraham and if we had added our third they would have come out ahead...
 
houstonhurricane said:
Payne/Travis/Robaire have not proven anything of tremendous value...yet. Abraham was a proven pro bowl pass rusher/run stopper. He was a proven NFL quantity.
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I can get behind you when you use a word like tremendous. But overall, Robaire and Payne have been effective, and switching back to 4-3 should benifit Robaire if not most of the linemen. I'm hoping/expecting Travis to make some strides this year with the switch.
 
michaelm said:
I can get behind you when you use a word like tremendous. But overall, Robaire and Payne have been effective, and switching back to 4-3 should benifit Robaire if not most of the linemen. I'm hoping/expecting Travis to make some strides this year with the switch.
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Travis absolutely has to make strides this year.
 
I couldn't agree with you more. I live in Fresno and am an avid Bulldogs fan. I have watched David Carr in many games, and have seen him prosper. I would have to say that I don't understand the draft mentality of the Texans. Why would you spend so much money on a quarterback, and not build around it, and take a defensive player. Has anyone ever questoined why Javon Kearse doesn't sack the quarterback on every play, because he gets double teamed. The only way that Mario Williams would help the Texans would be if the Texans had a great linebacker core, or another Defensive Lineman of his caliber. Mario is no Julius Peppers, Mario is slower and Julius does not take plays off. If you want to spend a fortune on a quarterback, then do your part to protect your investment, and not think that a defensive end will stop Payton Manning when your defensive secondary is not up to par.
 
COACHBOBMCNAIR said:
I couldn't agree with you more. I live in Fresno and am an avid Bulldogs fan. I have watched David Carr in many games, and have seen him prosper. I would have to say that I don't understand the draft mentality of the Texans. Why would you spend so much money on a quarterback, and not build around it, and take a defensive player. Has anyone ever questoined why Javon Kearse doesn't sack the quarterback on every play, because he gets double teamed. The only way that Mario Williams would help the Texans would be if the Texans had a great linebacker core, or another Defensive Lineman of his caliber. Mario is no Julius Peppers, Mario is slower and Julius does not take plays off. If you want to spend a fortune on a quarterback, then do your part to protect your investment, and not think that a defensive end will stop Payton Manning when your defensive secondary is not up to par.
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If they double team Mario, that would be a good thing!
 
texanskan said:
I don't care what anyone wants to say about defense wins championships or that DD is the guy for us. Look I will be the first person to say I was wrong if/when we win a super bowl with this current cast of players but I am afraid that aint gonna happen.

We had a chance to take a hometown hero and we passed, now I'm cool with coach saying he belives in Carr and we can win with him. Then we were left with what I thought were two good options, one Bush two trade down. Either A or B I would of been cool with but Mario Williams what?

How is this guys 1 sack, 8 tackels and 2 more qb knock downs worth more than Reggie Bush?

Why the hell do you tender a third round pick for peek and sign Weaver to a huge deal and then go out and take Williams number 1, it's just plain stupid!
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The draft is still not over and only Mario knows were he will end up. Or does he? There have been many sign and trade deals in the draft before, is this another? The Texans' brass seems to be content with their selection, and they know that Mario will have an instant impact. But is there another team at the top of the draft that covets Mario so much that they are willing to offer the "godfather" trade the media has forgotten about? If there was a team that felt the Saints were going to take Mario and would not be available when their selection came, they could get him through a trade. If Houston knew the pick they covet will slide to a later position, why not think of a trade?

Even if the Texans stay with Mario, which I think they sould, could the Texans still continue to make as much news in the draft? Charley Casserly said he will not "draft" a QB. Lets continue to pray that Texans have something up their sleeves. It would be nice to keep Mario and trade Carr to the team that drafts Vince. Of course we would have to throw in another pick, possibly one of our third rounders. Then we could use the second rounder on an offensive lineman and draft the best available players with the remaining picks. The Texans would become a playoff contender and regain the support of their fans at the same time.

Bob McNair stated that he wanted world wide recognition with his team. He wants his team to be on the same status of the NY Yankees. I know for a fact any team at that level makes big moves, so will the Texans? As a Texan fan I would pay twice as much for season tickets if they could pull it off.
 
michaelm said:
I don't have any info to back up my beliefs, but I'd be willing to wager that the FO made many attempts to trade and get more value from the number one pick. Sometimes the other teams don't want to make the move, and sometimes they don't offer what you want.
Listen, if a bunch of callers on a radio show have the thought of trying to make a trade, you can be sure that actual NFL personell may have had an inkling too...
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The draft is still not over and only Mario knows were he will end up. Or does he? There have been many sign and trade deals in the draft before, is this another? The Texans' brass seems to be content with their selection, and they know that Mario will have an instant impact. But is there another team at the top of the draft that covets Mario so much that they are willing to offer the "godfather" trade the media has forgotten about? If there was a team that felt the Saints were going to take Mario and would not be available when their selection came, they could get him through a trade. If Houston knew the pick they covet will slide to a later position, why not think of a trade?

Even if the Texans stay with Mario, which I think they sould, could the Texans still continue to make as much news in the draft? Charley Casserly said he will not "draft" a QB. Lets continue to pray that Texans have something up their sleeves. It would be nice to keep Mario and trade Carr to the team that drafts Vince. Of course we would have to throw in another pick, possibly one of our third rounders. Then we could use the second rounder on an offensive lineman and draft the best available players with the remaining picks. The Texans would become a playoff contender and regain the support of their fans at the same time.

Bob McNair stated that he wanted world wide recognition with his team. He wants his team to be on the same status of the NY Yankees. I know for a fact any team at that level makes big moves, so will the Texans? As a Texan fan I would pay twice as much for season tickets if they could pull it off.
 
I would agree that doubling Mario would be a good thing if there was someone else perhaps in the linebacking core that could shoot the gap that is left open by the double team. The texans don't have someone like that, and if they did, they wouldn't need to pick a defensive player. Does anyone think that taking Mario Williams number 1 is protecting your investment in David Carr, and why did they extend Carr's contract if they are not going to protect him. A threat out of the backfield would have been a major help. I know that it would be a big risk, but you could use him in the slot or even a wide out, with the speed that he brings to the table. I just don't think that it is the choice that should have been made, and it doesn't make any sense if you would choose to spend the money on a franchise quarterback. No sense at all. If you take an offensive player to build your franchise on, then you need to protect him, and you need to stick to what you have made a commitment to...Offense!
 
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