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The suspension thread

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...four-games-for-peds?campaign=Facebook_atl_atl


Colts Mathis suspended 4 games
Figured this would be easier than starting a new thread when each player gets suspended .


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i do feel a little bad for the man, if not the football player. if his story is true (these days you never know), mathis and his wife were unable to conceive and she couldnt take fertility drugs. obviously he should've checked with the nfl first instead of just the doctor. that being said, i cant hate the guy for wanting to start a family and the hardship of being unable to.
 
i do feel a little bad for the man, if not the football player. if his story is true (these days you never know), mathis and his wife were unable to conceive and she couldnt take fertility drugs. obviously he should've checked with the nfl first instead of just the doctor. that being said, i cant hate the guy for wanting to start a family and the hardship of being unable to.

Scoot, if you believe that you probably believed Cush when he came out with his nonsense story.

This guy knew exactly what he was taking. I don't know much about PED's and drug tests but I know when I smell bull**** and I am getting a nose full of bullcrap from his story.

Edit: If I'm wrong I should probably burn in hell but that's a risk I'm willing to take.
 
exactly right, it's near impossible to believe anything players say when they get get caught. i try to hope for the best though, and the drug he was busted for does match up, so there's a slim chance he's telling the truth.
 
exactly right, it's near impossible to believe anything players say when they get get caught. i try to hope for the best though, and the drug he was busted for does match up, so there's a slim chance he's telling the truth. stupid of him, but i've seen the hurt and desperation when couples arent able to conceive.

I've been there myself and it's one of the worst feelings that I've been through, so I truly do feel bad for the guy if he's telling the truth. I just seriously doubt it. These guys don't eat a sandwich without knowing what's in it.
 
Steroid Lugs Grab Midol, Manssieres and Clomid
So there is Clomid, the wonder drug that mitigates the feminizing side effects brought on by steroid use. Call it a physical masking agent.

A player experiencing a testosterone dry spell while on steroids will probably want to kick-start nature’s pump once his doping cycle ends.

So there is Clomid, the miracle preserve of manville. It’s not just for female ovulation anymore.

The fertility drug is so popular among male dopers that the former Mets batboy Kirk Radomski kept a stash of Clomid in his pantry of steroid staples for the stars, a juicy cache that was seized when federal agents raided his Long Island home on Dec. 14, 2005.

Clomid is the Alfred Hitchcock of drugs, with its profile in at least one scene of every baseball steroid saga. It is everywhere: in the 2003 grand jury testimony of Barry Bonds and Jason Giambi as reported by The San Francisco Chronicle, on confiscated doping calendars from Balco, in the pages of “Game of Shadows,” on the World Anti-Doping Agency’s prohibited substance inventory.

It is everywhere but on the list of Major League Baseball’s banned substances — an indicator that baseball’s drug-testing policy remains deficient to the point of willful incompetence.

“Clomid is a red flag saying, ‘Hello, what’s wrong with this picture?’ ” said Dr. Gary I. Wadler, an associate professor of medicine at New York University and a member of the antidoping agency. “Why is a male taking this drug? In this context, there is no legitimate reason, only illegitimate.”
 
The NFL may soon be able to counter some of these ridiculous "excuses" for players failing drug tests. Players and their agents have taken advantage of the CBA. Even with HIPAA restrictions, those rights are waived by implication if patients reveal their medical history in the presence of that particular audience. These player/agent claims would have to be considered as directed to a national audience. The right to privacy could definitely be questioned under these circumstances.

Despite a report to the contrary, the NFL and NFLPA have not agreed to dramatic changes to the rules regarding marijuana pending an agreement on HGH testing. However, other tentative deals have been struck on changes to the drug policies that would be implemented if/when the two sides can resolve their lingering differences regarding HGH.

Per a source with direct knowledge of the negotiations, the new policies would allow the NFL to say more regarding the reason for a suspension arising under the policy against performance-enhancing drugs. Currently, the NFL simply announces the suspension (four games for a first offense), and the player and/or his agent can say whatever they want in the wake of the announcement.

The excuse of choice used to be the “my supplement was tainted.” The trend then became to claim that the suspension arose from Adderall use, which carries far less of a stigma than steroids. At least one twice-former NFL defensive rookie of the year claimed that his suspension resulted from not cheating but a cancer scare.

Through it all, the NFL can say nothing to counter whatever the player and/or his agent tenders to the media with the goal of avoiding the patina of cheating.

The new policy, whenever HGH testing becomes a reality, would allow the league to disseminate more information about the violation. This will make it harder for players and/or agents to lie - and it will give other players more guidance as to the specific compounds and products that could get them suspended, too.

The league’s interest in ensuring that players accept responsibility for violations became clear last night, when the NFL issued a statement in response to agent Hadley Englehard’s comments regarding a four-game suspension imposed on Colts linebacker Robert Mathis. Technically, the NFL’s remarks could amount to a violation of the policy, which provides that “[t]he confidentiality of players’ medical conditions and test results will be protected to the maximum extent possible, recognizing that players who are disciplined for violating this Policy will come to the attention of and be reported to the public and the media.”

But Englehard opened the door by addressing the situation, and it’s unfair for players and/or agents to say things that minimize their actions and create the impression that the NFL’s testing process only catches guys who aren’t actually breaking the rules. Eventually (we hope), the league will be able to say more about why and how a guy got himself suspended.
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well, lack of faith in humanity restored.

I agree. I wanted to believe his story, too. But, I did wonder why a dude would take a female ovulation drug.

Just wish the Texans were one of those first four games. Titans and Jags got lucky.
 
i do feel a little bad for the man, if not the football player. if his story is true (these days you never know), mathis and his wife were unable to conceive and she couldnt take fertility drugs. obviously he should've checked with the nfl first instead of just the doctor. that being said, i cant hate the guy for wanting to start a family and the hardship of being unable to.

You believed that load of bull? Lol!
 
Robert Mathis' sack production by age:

23 - 3.5
24 - 10.5
25 - 11.5
26 - 9.5
27 - 7.0
28 - 11.5
29 - 9.5
30 - 11.0
31 - 9.5
32 - 8.0
33 - 19.5

Nah. He was clean last year...
 
Only 2 reasons a guy takes Clomid. He wants to maximize the amount of male reproductive fluid he produces when he...or he is using it to kick start the natural production of Testosterone after a cycle of roids. I don't think Mathis is a porn star so I'm guessing it is the second.
 
I've been there myself and it's one of the worst feelings that I've been through, so I truly do feel bad for the guy if he's telling the truth. I just seriously doubt it. These guys don't eat a sandwich without knowing what's in it.

If a Dr. prescribes Clomid it is going to be a woman with fertility problems, not a man. Guys take Clomid in order to induce natural testosterone production after a cycle. When your body is getting a ton of testosterone from an outside source, anabolic steroids, your nuts for the most part turn off and that is why steroid users experience testicular atrophy.
 
If a Dr. prescribes Clomid it is going to be a woman with fertility problems, not a man. Guys take Clomid in order to induce natural testosterone production after a cycle. When your body is getting a ton of testosterone from an outside source, anabolic steroids, your nuts for the most part turn off and that is why steroid users experience testicular atrophy.

I need to dispell some of what I am reading in this thread. Clomid is COMMONLY used in cases of male infertility to increase sperm count, quality and motility (basically by stimulating the production of testosterone). Yes it is not approved by the FDA for that purpose. However, there are many drugs approved by the FDA for a specific purpose, and then fortuitously (and sometimes accidentally) discovered to be effective in treatment of another condition.....and are used "off label" until that specific purpose is thoroughly investigated before it is approved. Just a few examples of common "off label" drug use before FDA approval: WELLBUTRIN initially used as an antidepressant, but early on also used for smoking cessation, later approved under the name Zyban; ADDERALL initially used as an ADD/ADHD drug in children only but used in adults anyway, later approved for use in adults; ZOLOFT an antidepressant, but used for treatment of premature ejaculation, a use to date that has still not been approved by FDA. And the list goes on.

That said, Clomid for male infertility must be taken for at least 1 month before adequate blood levels are even attained. And it has been shown to be ineffective in treating males for infertility unless that male suffers from significantly low testosterone to begin with. Supposedly Mathis says that he only took the drug for 10 days until he got his wife pregnant. Extremely unlikely timing. In order for blood levels to be reached for the detection by NFL testing, he would have had to been taking Clomid for quite a while........consistent with steroid cycling.

And, again, let's not forget that Urologists (and it's not the wife's obstetrician that should have been directing HIS treatment) are specifically made aware of banned substances in sports when treating their athletes. And certainly in the unlikely event that this is missed, by the CBA drug policy Clomid is specifically on the "forbidden list," a list that every NFL player is responsible for making themselves totally familiar with.

Mathis was not taking Clomid for the purpose of fertility enhancement, he was taking it for the purpose of avoiding a post steroidal performance enhancing crash.
 
I need to dispell some of what I am reading in this thread. Clomid is COMMONLY used in cases of male infertility to increase sperm count, quality and motility (basically by stimulating the production of testosterone). Yes it is not approved by the FDA for that purpose. However, there are many drugs approved by the FDA for a specific purpose, and then fortuitously (and sometimes accidentally) discovered to be effective in treatment of another condition.....and are used "off label" until that specific purpose is thoroughly investigated before it is approved. Just a few examples of common "off label" drug use before FDA approval: WELLBUTRIN initially used as an antidepressant, but early on also used for smoking cessation, later approved under the name Zyban; ADDERALL initially used as an ADD/ADHD drug in children only but used in adults anyway, later approved for use in adults; ZOLOFT an antidepressant, but used for treatment of premature ejaculation, a use to date that has still not been approved by FDA. And the list goes on.

That said, Clomid for male infertility must be taken for at least 1 month before adequate blood levels are even attained. And it has been shown to be ineffective in treating males for infertility unless that male suffers from significantly low testosterone to begin with. Supposedly Mathis says that he only took the drug for 10 days until he got his wife pregnant. Extremely unlikely timing. In order for blood levels to be reached for the detection by NFL testing, he would have had to been taking Clomid for quite a while........consistent with steroid cycling.

And, again, let's not forget that Urologists (and it's not the wife's obstetrician that should have been directing HIS treatment) are specifically made aware of banned substances in sports when treating their athletes. And certainly in the unlikely event that this is missed, by the CBA drug policy Clomid is specifically on the "forbidden list," a list that every NFL player is responsible for making themselves totally familiar with.

Mathis was not taking Clomid for the purpose of fertility enhancement, he was taking it for the purpose of avoiding a post steroidal performance enhancing crash.

Thanks again, Doc.

MSR
 
I need to dispell some of what I am reading in this thread. Clomid is COMMONLY used in cases of male infertility to increase sperm count, quality and motility (basically by stimulating the production of testosterone). Yes it is not approved by the FDA for that purpose. However, there are many drugs approved by the FDA for a specific purpose, and then fortuitously (and sometimes accidentally) discovered to be effective in treatment of another condition.....and are used "off label" until that specific purpose is thoroughly investigated before it is approved. Just a few examples of common "off label" drug use before FDA approval: WELLBUTRIN initially used as an antidepressant, but early on also used for smoking cessation, later approved under the name Zyban; ADDERALL initially used as an ADD/ADHD drug in children only but used in adults anyway, later approved for use in adults; ZOLOFT an antidepressant, but used for treatment of premature ejaculation, a use to date that has still not been approved by FDA. And the list goes on.


That said, Clomid for male infertility must be taken for at least 1 month before adequate blood levels are even attained. And it has been shown to be ineffective in treating males for infertility unless that male suffers from significantly low testosterone to begin with. Supposedly Mathis says that he only took the drug for 10 days until he got his wife pregnant. Extremely unlikely timing. In order for blood levels to be reached for the detection by NFL testing, he would have had to been taking Clomid for quite a while........consistent with steroid cycling.

And, again, let's not forget that Urologists (and it's not the wife's obstetrician that should have been directing HIS treatment) are specifically made aware of banned substances in sports when treating their athletes. And certainly in the unlikely event that this is missed, by the CBA drug policy Clomid is specifically on the "forbidden list," a list that every NFL player is responsible for making themselves totally familiar with.

Mathis was not taking Clomid for the purpose of fertility enhancement, he was taking it for the purpose of avoiding a post steroidal performance enhancing crash.

Thank you for correcting me, I thought that Clomid was only prescribed to women in order to help them with ovulation problems. I agree with you completely that the Dr. should have been aware that it is a banned substance and that Mathis was probably using Clomid in order to induce natural testosterone production as soon as possible, limiting the or eliminating steroid crash.
 
Hooked to the new anticipated HGH testing.........1 game suspension for FIRST DUI. Evidently, the NFL is suffering from a public black eye.

Plenty of changes to the NFL’s substance-abuse policy and PED policy hinge on the league and the NFLPA finalizing an agreement to conduct HGH testing. Some changes would help the players, incorporating third-party arbitration for most appeals and tweaking the rules to reduce suspensions.

One change would hurt the players, but the players generally are in favor of it.

Per a league source, the new substance-abuse policy (which will be implemented once an HGH testing agreement is reached) would impose a one-game suspension for a first-offense DUI. The penalty also would include a fine in the amount of one game check.

Currently, the rules require two-game fine for players who ultimately are deemed to be legally responsible for first-offense DUI. Barring unusual circumstances, a suspension arises only for a second offense.


The league has wanted tougher penalties for several years. The NFLPA, possibly influenced by the reality that a member of the union died in December 2012 while riding with a drunk teammate, wants the enhanced penalty as well.
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NFL announces Will Hill suspended for first six games of 2014


Giants safety Will Hill has been suspended for the first six games of the 2014 season.

Hill was suspended for violating the NFL policy for substances of abuse, the league announced today.

In 2012, Hill was suspended four games for violating the performance-enhancing drug policy, reportedly for using Adderall. In 2013, Hill was suspended four games for violating the substance-abuse policy. By the time the 24-year-old Hill is eligible to return to the Giants, following their October 12 game against the Eagles, he will have missed 14 games to suspensions.

Hill is eligible to participate in practices throughout the offseason and can play for the Giants in the preseason, but he will not be permitted at the team facility during the first six weeks of the regular season.
 
I can't believe how many players have learning disabilities that don't allow them to benefit from experience.:mcnugget:

Daryl Washington Suspended For Year

Linebacker out after violating league's substance abuse policy
Cardinals linebacker Daryl Washington has been suspended for a year by the NFL.

In a blow to what was one of the best defenses in the league last season, the NFL has suspended linebacker Daryl Washington for at least a year, it was announced Friday.

The suspension is for a violation of the league’s substance abuse policy, the same reason Washington was suspended last year, and unrelated to Washington’s recent plea bargain for an assault charge. The suspension begins immediately.

“It’s completely unacceptable that Daryl has once again put us in this position," Cardinals general manager Steve Keim said. "We all know what the consequences are and will deal with them. From a personal standpoint, our hope is that this suspension will give Daryl the opportunity to accept
The Rest of the Story
 
Josh Gordon ticketed for speeding
May 30, 2014, 9:44 PM EDT

As the appeal of Josh Gordon’s reported suspension moves along slowly, Gordon himself was recently moving very quickly.

Allegedly.

According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, police ticketed Gordon for speeding over Memorial Day weekend. A passenger in the vehicle was cited for marijuana possession after the officer detected the odor of it in the vehicle.

Gordon allegedly was driving his Mercedes Benz SUV 74 miles per hour in a 60-mph zone on Sunday, May 25.

The third-year wideout faces a one-year suspension under the league’s substance-abuse policy. His appeal is pending and, in theory, a decision could come at any time.

Regardless of whether he beats the current suspension, Gordon must submit to up to 10 drug tests per month. If Gordon is around marijuana smoke, he could end up testing positive even if he didn’t actually smoke it.

If, as Cabot recently told PFT Live, Gordon is in Stage 3 of the substance-abuse program, any positive result would result in a minimum suspension of one-year.

At this point in time, I have my serious doubts that it was ONLY the passenger's marijuana. "Here......quick........put it in YOU pocket.......I'm already in too much sh!t!"
 
I can't believe how many players have learning disabilities that don't allow them to benefit from experience.:mcnugget:

Washington apologizes for failing marijuana test
Josh Gordon ticketed for speeding

At this point in time, I have my serious doubts that it was ONLY the passenger's marijuana. "Here......quick........put it in YOUR pocket.......I'm already in too much sh!t!"


It's that non habit-forming marijuana, again.

The one-year-minimum suspension for Cardinals linebacker Daryl Washington means that previously he had been in Stage 3 of the substance-abuse program. Which means that he was subject to up to 10 drug tests per months. Which means that he was one failed test away from a minimum one-year absence.

Which means the Cardinals knew. Which means their decision to trigger a $10 million option bonus earlier this year was confusing, to say the least.
Not a smart move by the Cards GM.
 
Or the more simple answer is it is a common affliction to much of humanity - stupidity.

Washington passed 'stupid' $564,706 dollars ago with his 2013 4-game suspension.

He had $6,500,000 in one hand [IMGwidthsize=24]http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/hand-gestures/pondering-and-thinking-smiley-emoticon.gif[/IMG] and a joint in the other... he chose the joint.
 
Giants DB Jayron Hosley suspended four games after failed drug test
Giants defensive back Jayron Hosley was suspended four games by the NFL today after failing a drug test. He was in violation of the league's policy on substances of abuse.

He dropped his appeal and, despite being able to practice and play in the preseason, will not appear until Week 5 against the Falcons.

Hosley is the second Giants player in as many weeks to get hit with a league suspension for drug use after Will Hill was caught, and subsequently released.

The 23-year-old was a third-round pick in the 2012 draft but has played sparingly for the Giants in two seasons. Hosley had previously failed a drug test at the NFL combine that same year...
 

If you remember, Hosley tested positive for marijuana at his 2012 Combine. He then wrote this detailed supposedly heart-felt letter of apology to every individual NFL team. That helped alot, didn't it. The suspension will cost him dearly.........$134,117 of his $570,000 base salary, assuming he makes the team.

Will was given 3 strikes before finally recently released. I doubt that the Giants are as patient with Hosley as they were with Will. :cheese:
 
Justin Blackmon will be coming of his suspension for substance abuse sometime later this season, after multiple incidents of abuse.........and the Jags intend to welcome him back. Couldn't happen to a nicer team.:kitten:
 
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
#Dolphins DE Dion Jordan has been suspended 4 games for violating the league’s PED policy, team announces. 1st rounder from 2013

So that's how he gained the weight.
 
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet


So that's how he gained the weight.

Between salary and signing bonus, he'll be loosing ~$1 mil. He supposedly (per himself) tested positive for Adderall. The NFL cannot comment, of course, regarding the specific basis of the suspension, beyond the fact that it is for "PED."

Hmmm............Adderall?.........muscle bulking and weight gain?...........Riiiiiight.
 
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Explanations like this are getting older..........and dumber.

From PFT:
Eagles offensive tackle Lane Johnson has been suspended for the first four games of the 2014 season for violating the NFL’s policy on performance-enhancing substances.

Johnson blamed the suspension, which had previously been reported but only today officially announced, on a medication that he says he took without realizing it was on the list of banned substances. He did not name the medication.

“In April while training, I mistakenly and foolishly put a prescribed medication in my body to help with a medical issue. I mistakenly failed to clear it with Eagles trainers and check the NFL list of banned substances. I am extremely sorry for this mistake and I will learn from it and be smarter in the future,” Johnson said.
“This will be very hard on me to not be battling with my teammates for four games – but I will be ready and better than ever when I return.”

With Johnson and Miami’s Dion Jordan both suspended from Week One through Week Four, two of the NFL’s Top 4 picks in the 2013 NFL draft will be serving PED suspensions to start the season.
 
It's that non habit-forming marijuana, again.

Call me a pothead or whatever, but I just can't get up enough energy to be mad at a guy who smoked weed. Sure, the NFL bans it (so has the government, and I know lots of you guys just love the government) so you shouldn't smoke it, but, if I would much rather a guy smoke some pot to deal with whatever he has to deal with in his off time, than being addicted to painkillers, steroids, or even alcohol.

Hear way way more about NFL players getting in trouble where alcohol was involved, than you do with weed (piss testing notwithstanding).
 
Matt Prater to be suspended by NFL for first four games
Broncos kicker Matt Prater has been notified by the NFL he will be suspended through the first four games of the season for violating the league's substance-abuse policy.

The violation was alcohol-related. Prater has been in the league's alcohol program since soon after he was charged with driving under the influence Aug. 12, 2011.

The four-game suspension, which is expected to be announced Monday, was part of an agreement reached between Prater's attorney, Harvey Steinberg, and the league, so an appeal is not expected. The NFL had initially threatened a one-year suspension.

"No one feels worse about this than Matt Prater," Steinberg said. "He feels terribly for his teammates. It's cost him personally, both professionally and financially. I wonder if we shouldn't take a second look at the policy when only a couple beers were consumed at home while he was on vacation. Having said that, the NFL under the constraints of the policy couldn't have treated us better."
 
I would be surprised if this new agreement is consummated in the next 10-14 days.

I dunno, when Peyton loses one of his favorite targets and Johnny Football loses his favorite target I wouldn't put it past the NFL to engineer a workaround to keep the headliners happy and the headlines flowing.
 
I dunno, when Peyton loses one of his favorite targets and Johnny Football loses his favorite target I wouldn't put it past the NFL to engineer a workaround to keep the headliners happy and the headlines flowing.


I guess if the League arbitrarily decides to "grandfather" these two, it would be also be just as appropriate to petition to have Rice enjoy a more proper LONGER up-to-date suspension for domestic abuse.
 
I guess if the League arbitrarily decides to "grandfather" these two, it would be also be just as appropriate to petition to have Rice enjoy a more proper LONGER up-to-date suspension for domestic abuse.

The expos factos thing doesn't apply to the NFL.
 
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