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The Official Start Sage Rosenfels Thread!!!
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real
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rodog said:Well someone had to do it so here it is. And for all you people that say Carr's passing rating is high,
His 2td passes vs. the Colts came in garbage time.
Carr isn't the problem...
Johnny Utah
Rookie
Since Carr's rating is so high I don't think his trade value will get any better. Let's ship him off for a 3rd round pick while we have the chance.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Carr starts. If Sage put up Carr's numbers yesterday everyone would want Sage to continue to start. Your Rosenfels thread does nothing but instigate the Carr apologists and Carr haters while most of us who actually watch the games want the best players out on the field at their position and right now that is Carr at QB.
S
SESupergenius
Guest
Didn't Sage have good preseason games against 2nd and 3rd stringers? We should have just drafted Vince Young because he can't win the fans of those Young supports, of which many are still bitter.rodog said:Well someone had to do it so here it is. And for all you people that say Carr's passing rating is high,
His 2td passes vs. the Colts came in garbage time.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
rodog said:
Garbage time in HS/College is a lot different than garbage time in the NFL. Answer this question, if Sage put up those numbers would you want him starting again or would you hold garbage time against him?
Goatcheese
Texan
xtruroyaltyx said:
^^^
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
rodog said:
Think again.
Have you seen our defense?
D-Vizzl
Waterboy
The optimist in me says DC is totally not the prob, and you can't argue with stats and the stats say DC is completing 75% of his passes and has a higher ypa than Manning.
The pessimist in me says that we all watch the games and DC puts up Steve McNair type numbers, very accurate but it's because of the fact that the ball wasn't thrown 15 yards downfield. Which should I lean toward?
Either way Rosenfels isn't in my mind after week 2, I seem to recall that the Texans made a move after week 2 last year, how did that pan out?
The pessimist in me says that we all watch the games and DC puts up Steve McNair type numbers, very accurate but it's because of the fact that the ball wasn't thrown 15 yards downfield. Which should I lean toward?
Either way Rosenfels isn't in my mind after week 2, I seem to recall that the Texans made a move after week 2 last year, how did that pan out?
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
Kaiser Toro said:
Gotta love the logic. Despite his obvious onfield deficiencies, Carr has looked much improved and is putting up tremendous stats, albeit a few of them in "garbage time."
Yet, Sage put up a similar preseason stat line, purely against 2nd and 3rd teamers, and hey, it's "let's bring in Sage."
That response is all the dignity I'm going to give the original post. I suspect it will be ignored by said poster, DFTW, Napa, and the usual crew.
I also love how anyone with a gripe prefaces it with "I'm a season ticket holder." As if going to the games in person or paying for a product you don't like (should call into question your judgment in the first place) qualifies your negative opinions versus mine or any of the other 60k season ticket holders, many of whom are also on this board and happen to disagree.
Hottoddie
Veteran
rodog said:Well someone had to do it so here it is. And for all you people that say Carr's passing rating is high,
His 2td passes vs. the Colts came in garbage time.
Being as you're a season ticket holder & all
, I'm sure you've already recognized the error in your original post. It was 3TD passes.
Sco-tai
Waterboy
The "fans" that are calling for SAGE are the same kind of fans that called for "Cody" and "Bucky". Let's see....Moon is in the HOF...and the others...yeah...you get the point.
Having said that, I am NOT saying Carr will be in the HOF. But I am saying that in my opinion CARR and SAGE have 2 completely different levels of upside. I believe WITH protection and patience in the new system, CARR is a pro-bowl caliber QB. I can NOT say the same for Sage.
Do I get frustrated with Carr's performance. Sure. He looked like a ROOKIE yesterday for the majority of the 1st 3 quarters. But calling for Sage just seems like a stretch and a step in the WRONG direction.
Having said that, I am NOT saying Carr will be in the HOF. But I am saying that in my opinion CARR and SAGE have 2 completely different levels of upside. I believe WITH protection and patience in the new system, CARR is a pro-bowl caliber QB. I can NOT say the same for Sage.
Do I get frustrated with Carr's performance. Sure. He looked like a ROOKIE yesterday for the majority of the 1st 3 quarters. But calling for Sage just seems like a stretch and a step in the WRONG direction.
rodog said:
Ever thought that while it was in "garbage" time, that it might just be an indication on what Carr could do if he ever was given some time?
I think Sage is sitting over thinking that those 2nd and 3rd team "no longer in the league" defenses, sure didn't seem that fast.....
wrestler4life
Waterboy
This is all just stupid. We have a team that needs to figure out how to best work together on the field, not change what works right now.
Sage is a lifelong backup for a reason.
Sage is a lifelong backup for a reason.
texan_fan_8
Noob
Scott747 said:
You all forget Sage won his last 6 of 6 games against first stingers with miami.
David hasn't won 6 games total in his last 28 starts.
For Carr to have that many wins you have to go athe way back to week 8 in 2004.
We have nothing to lose at this point and it would simply prove is it David Carr or the Offensive line or see if platooning is the right answer. Try anything because this way isn't working. And Kubiak is right, this team doesn't win until Carr gets his act togather.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I do not think Sage Rosenfels is the answer.
Having said that I wish the Texans had started him the last two weeks.
Then the people who don't know what they're looking at when they see him play would shut up.
On second thought nevermind. They'd just start posting threads asking us to pick up Drew Henson or something. There's not going to be a simple way to shut them up that doesn't come from David Carr.
Having said that I wish the Texans had started him the last two weeks.
Then the people who don't know what they're looking at when they see him play would shut up.
On second thought nevermind. They'd just start posting threads asking us to pick up Drew Henson or something. There's not going to be a simple way to shut them up that doesn't come from David Carr.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
stick a fork in him David Carr is done.....yada yada yada 
its going to be difficult without the abiltiy to run the ball. against a team like the Colts you need to keep the ball, run the clock and rest the D. the first series said it all, yet there is Carr series after series trying to force the ball up the field yet having to dump it off for short insignificant completions. David is either hot on the first series & drives downfield with ease or it takes him 3 quaters to get the monkey off his back.
David Carr is a conundrum, a riddle. the answear to this question is not Sage Rosenfels but sooner rather than later without protection Carr will get hurt and then all those calling for off with his head will get Sage Rosenfels thrown to the wolves as well
its going to be difficult without the abiltiy to run the ball. against a team like the Colts you need to keep the ball, run the clock and rest the D. the first series said it all, yet there is Carr series after series trying to force the ball up the field yet having to dump it off for short insignificant completions. David is either hot on the first series & drives downfield with ease or it takes him 3 quaters to get the monkey off his back.David Carr is a conundrum, a riddle. the answear to this question is not Sage Rosenfels but sooner rather than later without protection Carr will get hurt and then all those calling for off with his head will get Sage Rosenfels thrown to the wolves as well
Reddevil63
Veteran
Garbage time... against second and third stringers yes?? Who was Sage playing against in the preseason? 2nd and 3rd stringers, most of whom didnt make the team.rodog said:
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
I didn't think David was the answer in the offseason (and truthfully would still prefer to see him gone), but now that i've read and studied the WCO a little better I think he could potentially work in this system. After actually getting to watch a game live, here is what i think.
1) He needs to settle down in the pocket a little bit. I don't care how or why, but he does. There are problems that need to be addressed for this to happen, but I trust Kubiak will make the adjustments on the line.
2) He needs to pick up his throws a little bit. 4 or 5 times he made the correct read and threw short, but threw so low it forced a reciever down to the ground instead of allowing for them to be able to continue their route downfield. If he can hit a few more of those recievers on their upfield shoulder I think the offense will move more efficiently.
3) He has to take 2 or 3 more shots downfield to force the corners to play off. I don't care if he just throws it out of bounds deep, but you can't let the safeties and help sit on the short routes and minimize gains.
1) He needs to settle down in the pocket a little bit. I don't care how or why, but he does. There are problems that need to be addressed for this to happen, but I trust Kubiak will make the adjustments on the line.
2) He needs to pick up his throws a little bit. 4 or 5 times he made the correct read and threw short, but threw so low it forced a reciever down to the ground instead of allowing for them to be able to continue their route downfield. If he can hit a few more of those recievers on their upfield shoulder I think the offense will move more efficiently.
3) He has to take 2 or 3 more shots downfield to force the corners to play off. I don't care if he just throws it out of bounds deep, but you can't let the safeties and help sit on the short routes and minimize gains.
TexansTailg8r
Waterboy
Did Carr play perfect? No he didn't, but... at this stage I'm way more concerned that our new and "improved" defense got drove for 43 points than I am with Carr.
Line_Producer
Party Rocker
Since our defense played like garbage...I propose that we count all of Peyton's td's and throws as garbage too! lmfao.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Any Carr homer that points to his stats yesterday as validation needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Carr didn't do a thing until the game was no longer a game. He is a poor competitor, poor leader, and still looks like a rookie going into Year 5...no amount of blatant homering will change that. The only things the organization's blind and unsubstantiated loyalty gets us is a retardation of the franchise's development. We have already wasted 5 years of the Texans existence on Lil Davey...enuf is enuf
Answer me one question, ye of so much misguided faith? What will it take for you to admit that Carr is a failure and that you were wrong in thinking he would ever be worth a krap? 2-14 again? 1-15? 0-16? When will you stop blaming everyone but Carr on his own ****ty development? I just want to know when I can come into our team's message board without being mired in a pool of myopic and clueless homers....that is all
doug from the woodlands
Answer me one question, ye of so much misguided faith? What will it take for you to admit that Carr is a failure and that you were wrong in thinking he would ever be worth a krap? 2-14 again? 1-15? 0-16? When will you stop blaming everyone but Carr on his own ****ty development? I just want to know when I can come into our team's message board without being mired in a pool of myopic and clueless homers....that is all
doug from the woodlands
S
SESupergenius
Guest
I saw the Giants D not give up yesterday when their QB threw TD's late in the game, did you see our D do that? Carr was still fighting to win and was trying to get the job done. Eli Manning threw his TD's in mop up time too, but guess what, he had a D that helped him immensely, had 2 3-and-outs and forced a fumble. What did our D do to get us back in the game?Second Honeymoon said:
AlbinoRat
Waterboy
I don't understand why people don't think Carr is any good. Put him starting on the Colts, he throws for 400 yards. If you have talent around you, you tend to perform better. On the other hand, if you don't have talent around you, you don't perform as well. David Carr has good receivers, a terrible Offensive Line, and as of now, no running game. The numbers he is putting up right now should be considered very good for his teams talent. If you think that Sage Rosenfels is going to come in and do better, you are truly a fool. Carr is the Quarterback for this team. There is no need to bring in a new quarterback in until you get an upgraded offensive line. No QB can perform without a decent offensive line. For further proof, look at Dante Culpepper. In Minnesota, he was a great QB. Now, he keeps finding himself on his back. Also, maybe someone else can verify this, Peyton Manning stayed in the whole game for "Garbage Time" too.
Brandon420tx
Flounder
"The Official Start Sage Rosenfels Thread!!!"
Go play in traffic.
Go play in traffic.
noxiousdog
Rookie
texan_fan_8 said:
And Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.
Sage is a career 49.5% passer and has as many interceptions as he does TDs.
He's terrible. If David isn't the answer, Sage sure as hell isn't.
myopic 
LBC_Justin
Rookie
these are the kind of threads that make me want to stay off the message board.
Hmmm...lets take one of our few bright spots, and talk about replacing it. great. Let's cut Ryans, AJ, Moulds, and Owens while were at it.
I think some people need to be beat over the head with a HUGE freaking club that says "Football is a team sport", until it finally sinks in.
Hmmm...lets take one of our few bright spots, and talk about replacing it. great. Let's cut Ryans, AJ, Moulds, and Owens while were at it.
I think some people need to be beat over the head with a HUGE freaking club that says "Football is a team sport", until it finally sinks in.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
texan_fan_8 said:
Are folks just making things up now? Sage has started two games in his career and both were loses.
Bamaborn-Texasbred
Rookie
shouldn't this be bunched in with any other number of Carr sucks or start rosenfels now threads?
Battle Red Flash
Waterboy
rodog said:Well someone had to do it so here it is. And for all you people that say Carr's passing rating is high,
His 2td passes vs. the Colts came in garbage time.
I point out he has no INT's in two games.
... and it's the West Coast Offense. That means short passes.
Zepp1978
Houston Hot Takes
LBC_Justin said:
Agreed. I used to post a ton more when there was actually people with intelligence about football that posted on here. Now all it is is "Carr sucks, He shows no poise! Start Sage!" If Sage is the second coming of John Elway, why is the guy a career backup? He isn't even as good as Matt Schaub... If you must bash one guy, why not bash The Invisible Man (Mario)? Because I certainly haven't seen our pick justified yet.
