I agree, that was a bad flag on Jackson. The flags on McCain were legit, however. He was Manning's whipping boy.
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The improbable improvement of Kareem Jackson
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aussie_texan
Veteran
im really happy with demps. his a playmaker always involved in nearly popping the ball out or interceptions. can get caught out sometimes but overall i like him a lot
Demps had a good game. First time I didn't question letting Nolan go. He was every where.
I don't know. But if we go to 6 DBs, which we do a lot, we'll have three safeties & three corners on the field.
TejasTom
All Pro
Nothing mentioned in the press conference.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
In the words of Bernie "The Wolf": "Well, let's not start sucking each other's ****s quite yet"
Although I will agree Kareem has played much, much better!!!!
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HJam72
Hall of Fame
Here's my take on that interference call on KJ:
KJ played pretty well all day. On this play, though, he covered the receiver pretty well (and was actually behind the receiver on a pass that was going over them), up until he looked for the ball. When KJ looked for the ball, he made a wrong assumption. He assumed it was thrown to the inside (toward the middle of the field) and it was not. He went in that direction toward where he thought the ball would be. The receiver, who was behind him and not as close for instance to the end-line as him, then tried to go to where the ball was actually going to land, and KJ was in his way. They collided (not hard, but they made contact).
Now, you've got KJ running the wrong way and impeding the receiver. The ref called this interference. My objection is that KJ has a right to be wherever he is going to "be." If he wants to chase butterflies all over the field, he has a right to do that, and if he gets in a receiver's way, that is just the receiver's problem. KJ has a right to "go for the ball," even if his idea of where the ball is going is totally clueless.
My main point is that I really don't think they ever call that offensive pass interference if the positions are switched. KJ has a right to be out there running around like a chicken with his head cut off just like any receiver does. It's not like the grabbed or shoved the receiver in any way. Only thing I can figure is that possibly the ref felt that KJ was "intentionally" confused about the location of the ball. We know that KJ doesn't fake this kind of stupidity.
KJ played pretty well all day. On this play, though, he covered the receiver pretty well (and was actually behind the receiver on a pass that was going over them), up until he looked for the ball. When KJ looked for the ball, he made a wrong assumption. He assumed it was thrown to the inside (toward the middle of the field) and it was not. He went in that direction toward where he thought the ball would be. The receiver, who was behind him and not as close for instance to the end-line as him, then tried to go to where the ball was actually going to land, and KJ was in his way. They collided (not hard, but they made contact).
Now, you've got KJ running the wrong way and impeding the receiver. The ref called this interference. My objection is that KJ has a right to be wherever he is going to "be." If he wants to chase butterflies all over the field, he has a right to do that, and if he gets in a receiver's way, that is just the receiver's problem. KJ has a right to "go for the ball," even if his idea of where the ball is going is totally clueless.
My main point is that I really don't think they ever call that offensive pass interference if the positions are switched. KJ has a right to be out there running around like a chicken with his head cut off just like any receiver does. It's not like the grabbed or shoved the receiver in any way. Only thing I can figure is that possibly the ref felt that KJ was "intentionally" confused about the location of the ball. We know that KJ doesn't fake this kind of stupidity.
Here's my take on that interference call on KJ:
KJ played pretty well all day. On this play, though, he covered the receiver pretty well (and was actually behind the receiver on a pass that was going over them), up until he looked for the ball. When KJ looked for the ball, he made a wrong assumption. He assumed it was thrown to the inside (toward the middle of the field) and it was not. He went in that direction toward where he thought the ball would be. The receiver, who was behind him and not as close for instance to the end-line as him, then tried to go to where the ball was actually going to land, and KJ was in his way. They collided (not hard, but they made contact).
Now, you've got KJ running the wrong way and impeding the receiver. The ref called this interference. My objection is that KJ has a right to be wherever he is going to "be." If he wants to chase butterflies all over the field, he has a right to do that, and if he gets in a receiver's way, that is just the receiver's problem. KJ has a right to "go for the ball," even if his idea of where the ball is going is totally clueless.
My main point is that I really don't think they ever call that offensive pass interference if the positions are switched. KJ has a right to be out there running around like a chicken with his head cut off just like any receiver does. It's not like the grabbed or shoved the receiver in any way. Only thing I can figure is that possibly the ref felt that KJ was "intentionally" confused about the location of the ball. We know that KJ doesn't fake this kind of stupidity.
It's looking more and more like Chris Myers part II.
Poke some fun at the guy before finally coming the final realization
TexansFanatic
Extremist
Gotta give the man his propers. That was a textbook pass defense there at the end of the third. Looked back for the ball at precisely the right moment and swatted the ball away.
Congrats, Mr. Jackson.
Congrats, Mr. Jackson.
TexansFanatic
Extremist
fiasco west
All Pro
Kareem had a great game today. Completely locked up his man and had pick 6 just in case.
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
Yep, KJ did great today.
Go KJ!!!
Go Texans!!!
Go KJ!!!
Go Texans!!!
srrono
All Pro
I second this GREAT JOB KJ
Yeah , he's grown up before our eyes ... gone from the outhouse to the penthouse.
I thought it was awesome, the pick six. It felt like Mario's first sack at Reliant.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
Instead of wondering where he suddenly got football talent, everyone just admit they were wrong about him. He had a horrid secondary coach his rookie season in David Gibbs. It has taken time to undo that damage.
fiasco west
All Pro
I'm not admitting anything because I've had faith in him all along.
I saw the improvement he made and that is really all that matters. As they say you're either getting better or worse and Kareem has improved from year to year.
TexansFanatic
Extremist
He had a crapload of bad games. He needs at least a few more big games to make up for that.
I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong. It happens so often, I'm quite used to it.
At this point, it certainly looks like I was too quick to write him off.
I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong. It happens so often, I'm quite used to it.
At this point, it certainly looks like I was too quick to write him off.
noxiousdog
Rookie
It's especially hard on corners because you should expect passes to be completed at a 60% clip.
I'm glad he's gotten better though. Not all guys do.
I'm glad he's gotten better though. Not all guys do.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
I admit it!
TimeKiller
Guest
He sure had himself a helluva game today!
Scooter
Funky
replace his "rookie" season in '10 with his real first season in '11 - jackson has been exactly as advertised.
'10 he was the leader of the kiddie corners without a coach in sight. deion sanders would've looked like phillip buchannon in that situation. the setting being fubar is being polite.
'11 he has wade and vance, and platoons the #2 spot as he should've his first season. solid play, shows development, will be a capable corner with experience and pretty good with coaching.
scratch the 2010 season, erase it from your memory and judge kareem jackson on what he's done since.
'10 he was the leader of the kiddie corners without a coach in sight. deion sanders would've looked like phillip buchannon in that situation. the setting being fubar is being polite.
'11 he has wade and vance, and platoons the #2 spot as he should've his first season. solid play, shows development, will be a capable corner with experience and pretty good with coaching.
scratch the 2010 season, erase it from your memory and judge kareem jackson on what he's done since.
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Titans Sux 72
Waterboy
I will happily eat crow. That being said his technique and talent is and was not good at all his first and second year. He is a work in progress and could not be happier for his game today. He earned it! I just hope he continues to improve.
1-0.
TheEastwood
Waterboy
I admit nothing. Jackson did suck his first year here.... Massively. Last year he was better but still got picked on (especially in that Saints game). This year, he's markedly better and playing great so far.
I call em like I see em. If a player sucks, I'll call him out. If he's good, I'll give props. KJ been playing well, so.... props
Coaching aside, we also had little to no pass rush in '10 as well. Bullman & Barwin were out for the season early. Cushing (our most dynamic player at the time) was suspended the first four games & Demeco (our best defensive player & leader) missed 10 games. Eugene Wilson didn't make the season either did he?
1st round pick, yeah, a lot should be expected of him. But I think we were piling it on way to thick. Poor coach, poor defense.... nobody shined on that defense.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
I haven't put my 2 cents in this thread. KJ has come a long way. What a pleasure to watch a player grow like he has. I was wrong for making fun like I did.
No matter his performance next week (within reason
), he's fun to watch knowing where he was three years ago.
No matter his performance next week (within reason
), he's fun to watch knowing where he was three years ago.
GP
Go Texans!
My, my,...somebody has too much starch in their Wranglers today.
I don't have to admit to anything because I never said he doesn't belong...I said he needs to hurry his ass up and get there. I think that's pretty much been the sentiment of all us "haters," Marcus. LOL.
Put on some relaxed fit jeans and let the boys breathe, Marcus. It's liberating.
^^^^
This
He has improved. But how much wont be known until after he faces Rodgers/Brady/Stafford/Cutler etc....
If I'm wrong I will have my crow smothered with brown gravy. After this season.
Perki-Perk
DieHard Texan!
You, sir, don't deserve any topping or seasoning on your crow! Nice and plain for you, yes, nice and plain!
TexansFanatic
Extremist
All the standard responses of a Chris Myers part 2 thread.
Open a few old Chris Myers thread and away with the copy and paste.
If KJ improves to the point he's considered by some to be the top corner in the league (as Myers is sometimes mentioned at his position) that would truly be something.
This year's team is helping me forget a lot of bad seasons.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
He and Manning got the #1 spot on 21st and Prime this week.
I know many don't like him, but I love me some PrimeTime.
It is so refreshing to have 4 DBs you can trust.
I know many don't like him, but I love me some PrimeTime.
It is so refreshing to have 4 DBs you can trust.
Porky
Hall of Fame
KJ had his best game as a pro yesterday. His first year he was flat out awful....like cut the guy awful. Yesterday he looked like a #1 corner out there.
Last year he showed marked improvement, and he has taken another step this year. He had some issues in Denver but all in all, he has now moved to a very solid #2 corner and the good news is I think he has room for improvement still to come. Meaning he has a chance to be one of the top #2 corners in the game if he continues to work hard.
It's all just a LOT better technique which I credit to much better coaching with Joseph and a much better scheme...along with a better pass rush. He is doing so much better in the intermediate area, and he was very good last year short, so now he needs to get better at the longer pass plays. He still gets burned deep too much probably because his speed is just average overall and he doesn't have the make-up speed of the top guys, but if he can continue to improve in his recognition skills and technique he can make up for lack of deep speed and if he can do that the sky's the limit.
Last year he showed marked improvement, and he has taken another step this year. He had some issues in Denver but all in all, he has now moved to a very solid #2 corner and the good news is I think he has room for improvement still to come. Meaning he has a chance to be one of the top #2 corners in the game if he continues to work hard.
It's all just a LOT better technique which I credit to much better coaching with Joseph and a much better scheme...along with a better pass rush. He is doing so much better in the intermediate area, and he was very good last year short, so now he needs to get better at the longer pass plays. He still gets burned deep too much probably because his speed is just average overall and he doesn't have the make-up speed of the top guys, but if he can continue to improve in his recognition skills and technique he can make up for lack of deep speed and if he can do that the sky's the limit.
I don't ever think it was about talent. I think he's got it in spades. It's always been about recognition & confidence, trusting what your eyes see.... that kind of thing.
He's looked more & more confident this year & I think it's just a matter of time.
There are some good corners out there, especially in the AFC, but....
I wouldn't be surprised if we send two corners to the Pro Bowl. If not this year, then next.
What I like about Prime, is that he's natural & real. Some of these guys get the job because someone "thinks" they're funny then they spend years, "trying" to say something funny.
Like Shannon Sharpe.... or Keyshawn Johnson... :kubepalm:
:wadepalm:
Kinda how "skill set" means nothing unless it translates into production (looks at Em.....)
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
It never ceases to amaze how anyone with any football smarts at all, cannot see how a pass rush helps out the secondary. It's just as fundamental as you could possibly get. Jackson was a rookie on a defense that had NO pass rush. Nada. Zip.
Yet, HE sucked.
Right.
There's no way you can look at his rookie year and say that he was good. He had potential, just like every other player drafted, but he was terrible that year no matter how you slice it. He fell down regularly, which is just something you can't do in the secondary. I don't care who your coach is, falling down is inexcusable and it should have been fixed well before Wade Phillips got here.
It's just like the Chris Myers deal where he was awful his first year, he had potential for sure, but it's not like he was some diamond in the rough. They were both needed a lot of refinement to their game, before they could be considered really good at their position. It appears KJax is finally getting to his potential, and I hope he continues to improve even more.