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The improbable improvement of Kareem Jackson

Fiddler said:
Go back & watch that play from the snap. See where Kj is lined up, where the safeties are lined up. Watch what happens when the receiver gets closer to, then runs around Jackson.

That wasn't a taught, trailing technique. That was a guy who bit on something he shouldn't have, then tried to recover, & he was in good position, considering the bite on the play-fake.

If I were trying to defend Kj on that play, that would be my story, can't blame a guy for "attacking" a play in an aggressive defense. That was a great catch by Moore (who doesn't show up unless he's playing Kareem Jackson) & I don't have a lot to complain about Kj on that play.

The one that gets me the most, is when Jimmy Graham was thrown to in the end-zone.. I don't think Graham caught the ball, Kareem wasn't even covering him. Kj was covering a guy on the shallow end of the endzone just to the left of Graham.

Brees shouldn't have thrown the ball, because Graham had someone right behind him & Kj right in front of him. Jackson saw the ball release from Brees' hands, but instead of playing the ball, he turns & plays the man.

That should have been an INT, Kj should have attacked the ball, made a play. But he didn't.
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Are you talking about the play where manning was covering Grahm?

I don't know if I would place any blame on kj there because I don't know what was called or how the coaches asked them to play that, but my initial reaction was that it looked like manning was expecting Kareem to jump the route but he didn't.

Looked like he was in good position to, but for some reason he didnt do it.

But I'm not going to sit here and criticize him for that in particular simply because it was kind of sketchy. I don't know what was supposed to happen there and I don't know what Kareem saw.
 
Fiddler said:
Go back & watch that play from the snap. See where Kj is lined up, where the safeties are lined up. Watch what happens when the receiver gets closer to, then runs around Jackson.

That wasn't a taught, trailing technique. That was a guy who bit on something he shouldn't have, then tried to recover, & he was in good position, considering the bite on the play-fake.

If I were trying to defend Kj on that play, that would be my story, can't blame a guy for "attacking" a play in an aggressive defense. That was a great catch by Moore (who doesn't show up unless he's playing Kareem Jackson) & I don't have a lot to complain about Kj on that play.
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I'm not sure I follow you Fid.
If you care to elaborate a little more?

What did KJ bite on?
He was on the receiver like glue from start to finish.
 
Fiddler said:
The one that gets me the most, is when Jimmy Graham was thrown to in the end-zone.. I don't think Graham caught the ball, Kareem wasn't even covering him. Kj was covering a guy on the shallow end of the endzone just to the left of Graham.

Brees shouldn't have thrown the ball, because Graham had someone right behind him & Kj right in front of him. Jackson saw the ball release from Brees' hands, but instead of playing the ball, he turns & plays the man.

That should have been an INT, Kj should have attacked the ball, made a play. But he didn't.
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I just re-watched that play... I don't quite see it the same way you described. He was on his man like he should be. Once Brees released the ball, KJ immediately left his guy and tried to make a play on the ball, but he arrived too late.
 
Fiddler said:
The one that gets me the most, is when Jimmy Graham was thrown to in the end-zone.. I don't think Graham caught the ball, Kareem wasn't even covering him. Kj was covering a guy on the shallow end of the endzone just to the left of Graham.

Brees shouldn't have thrown the ball, because Graham had someone right behind him & Kj right in front of him. Jackson saw the ball release from Brees' hands, but instead of playing the ball, he turns & plays the man.

That should have been an INT, Kj should have attacked the ball, made a play. But he didn't.
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Rey said:
Are you talking about the play where manning was covering Grahm?

I don't know if I would place any blame on kj there because I don't know what was called or how the coaches asked them to play that, but my initial reaction was that it looked like manning was expecting Kareem to jump the route but he didn't.

Looked like he was in good position to, but for some reason he didnt do it.

But I'm not going to sit here and criticize him for that in particular simply because it was kind of sketchy. I don't know what was supposed to happen there and I don't know what Kareem saw.
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If this was the TD that Graham caught then KJ had nothing to do with it.

This was definitely cover 2.

The Saint were in single back shotgun with the RB on the right side of the formation.

WR Henderson wide left (KJ on him)
TE Graham in slot left (Quin on him)
WR Colston in slot right (McCain on him)
WR Moore wide right (JJo on him)

Manning was the FS (on KJ and Quin side)
Demps was the SS (on the other side, where the RB lined up)

Texans were in a 4-man front, Dime package.

Dobbins was the lone LB; he would jump on the RB right of the bat.
This suggests Man coverage in cover 2 (two safeties).

Or it might be a combo, with Dobbins the only one in man coverage on the RB, and the rest settled back into a 42 zone.
(This was suggested by the fact that Quin didn't really follow the TE; he seemed to be settling in his zone - if it was man, than Quin blew the coverage).

If it was man, KJ did right staying with his man (Henderson).
If it was zone, KJ also did right staying in the flat defending Henderson.

If it was zone, Manning was late jumping on the TE who encroached his deep zone.
He had two guys who might threaten his deep zone.
(KJ already took care of Henderson by staying ahead of him the whole time).
The only threat to his zone was the TE Graham.

From what I observe:
1. If it was man, Quin blew it.
2. If it was zone, Manning blew it.
 
bo orlando said:
if you have to continually go back and micro-analyze game tape just to determine that a player's not as bad as you think, then that player might be a redneck, er, not that good
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I analyze game tape to see the true worth of a player (the way I determine that Myers was the most consistent O-lineman for the Texans the last few years).
 
wolf123 said:
Here comes the fan I'm talking about...:spin:
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Other teams clearly target KJ in their gameplans, the guys he's covering consistently make big catches, and he rarely comes up with big plays like drive-killing PD's, ints, or tackles.

I have no doubt that he doesn't look as bad on tape as his rep would suggest. Unfortunately, his rep is that he's maybe the worst starting corner in the league so there's a lot of margin there. Sure, there's always sneaky good players that you don't always notice while watching the game live (Antonio Smith for example), but is that really the case here or are we just talking about a player who's "not that bad?"
 
bo orlando said:
Other teams clearly target KJ in their gameplans, the guys he's covering consistently make big catches, and he rarely comes up with big plays like drive-killing PD's, ints, or tackles.

I have no doubt that he doesn't look as bad on tape as his rep would suggest. Unfortunately, his rep is that he's maybe the worst starting corner in the league so there's a lot of margin there. Sure, there's always sneaky good players that you don't always notice while watching the game live (Antonio Smith for example), but is that really the case here or are we just talking about a player who's "not that bad?"
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Can you tell me how many big catches he gave up in each of the game he played last year, including the play-offs?
 
76Texan said:
Can you tell me how many big catches he gave up in each of the game he played last year, including the play-offs?
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Only game I recall KJ having a bad day was .... the Aints. But Brees does that to a lotta guy's. He's just a special player.
 
bo orlando said:
Other teams clearly target KJ in their gameplans, the guys he's covering consistently make big catches, and he rarely comes up with big plays like drive-killing PD's, ints, or tackles.

I have no doubt that he doesn't look as bad on tape as his rep would suggest. Unfortunately, his rep is that he's maybe the worst starting corner in the league so there's a lot of margin there. Sure, there's always sneaky good players that you don't always notice while watching the game live (Antonio Smith for example), but is that really the case here or are we just talking about a player who's "not that bad?"
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What makes you think his rep is the worst starting corner in the league? I have never ever heard anyone say that (except from a few KJ haters on this board). You must not watch much football... there's ALOT of starting corners in the league that are worse.
 
bo orlando said:
Other teams clearly target KJ in their gameplans, the guys he's covering consistently make big catches, and he rarely comes up with big plays like drive-killing PD's, ints, or tackles.

I have no doubt that he doesn't look as bad on tape as his rep would suggest. Unfortunately, his rep is that he's maybe the worst starting corner in the league so there's a lot of margin there. Sure, there's always sneaky good players that you don't always notice while watching the game live (Antonio Smith for example), but is that really the case here or are we just talking about a player who's "not that bad?"
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Oh course there going to target him, J-Joseph is a top 3 CB. Wade seems to think that he's pretty good, so I don't know how he can be the worst CB in the league...
 
dream_team said:
What makes you think his rep is the worst starting corner in the league? I have never ever heard anyone say that (except from a few KJ haters on this board). You must not watch much football... there's ALOT of starting corners in the league that are worse.
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No, I see much worse corners every week.

pfft.... Drayton Florence.. pssh....
 
Corrosion said:
Only game I recall KJ having a bad day was .... the Aints. But Brees does that to a lotta guy's. He's just a special player.
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Kj was much better last year, but he wasn't great against the ravens either time but both he and Joseph were better the second time when wade had Kareem covering the more physical Boldin and Joseph covering the more speedy wr's.

Also, when we played the falcons Kareem was pulled until Jason Allen got hurt on that last drive. I think at that point every pass or just about every pass went to Julio jones whom Kareem was covering, including the much talked about last pass into the endzone. The did Kareem cause the drop or not pass.

Also, Kareem wasn't a full time player last year. Not as many chances to do well or to mess up.

So far, Kareem has been an improved player. He looks different on the field. More confident.

But this year it looks like he'll be s full time starter and I think we'll be able to get an even more clear idea of what Kareem's ceiling might be.
 
bo orlando said:
Other teams clearly target KJ in their gameplans, the guys he's covering consistently make big catches, and he rarely comes up with big plays like drive-killing PD's, ints, or tackles.

I have no doubt that he doesn't look as bad on tape as his rep would suggest. Unfortunately, his rep is that he's maybe the worst starting corner in the league so there's a lot of margin there. Sure, there's always sneaky good players that you don't always notice while watching the game live (Antonio Smith for example), but is that really the case here or are we just talking about a player who's "not that bad?"
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I think other teams going after kj has more to do with him and manning being on the same side a bunch and Joseph and Quinn being on the other side.

I don't think he's the worst starting corner in the league though.

I think we need to give him more time. Last year was basically his rookie year IMO. This is year two.

Let's wait and see what he does this year.
 
dream_team said:
What makes you think his rep is the worst starting corner in the league? I have never ever heard anyone say that (except from a few KJ haters on this board). You must not watch much football... there's ALOT of starting corners in the league that are worse.
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show me a texans preview for this year that DOESN'T mention KJ as a liability. i don't personally think he's the worst, but my point is that he's shown himself to be a mediocre player and i don't understand the apologists. people mention how wade likes him, okay so why did he specifically scheme last year to protect KJ, either by platooning him with Allen or by rolling coverage to his side of the field? coaches don't do that with good players.

maybe he takes a leap forward this year. that would be awesome, but color me cautious.
 
Rey said:
Kj was much better last year, but he wasn't great against the ravens either time but both he and Joseph were better the second time when wade had Kareem covering the more physical Boldin and Joseph covering the more speedy wr's.

Also, when we played the falcons Kareem was pulled until Jason Allen got hurt on that last drive. I think at that point every pass or just about every pass went to Julio jones whom Kareem was covering, including the much talked about last pass into the endzone. The did Kareem cause the drop or not pass.

Also, Kareem wasn't a full time player last year. Not as many chances to do well or to mess up.

So far, Kareem has been an improved player. He looks different on the field. More confident.

But this year it looks like he'll be s full time starter and I think we'll be able to get an even more clear idea of what Kareem's ceiling might be.
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^^^^
This

The clear thought of KJ's ceiling should be down right scary for Texans fans. Considering they play Brady/Rodgers/Stafford/Cutler/Flacco etc....

There aint no Campbell/Moore/McCoy/Tebows on the schedule this yr.
 
bo orlando said:
show me a texans preview for this year that DOESN'T mention KJ as a liability. i don't personally think he's the worst, but my point is that he's shown himself to be a mediocre player and i don't understand the apologists. people mention how wade likes him, okay so why did he specifically scheme last year to protect KJ, either by platooning him with Allen or by rolling coverage to his side of the field? coaches don't do that with good players.

maybe he takes a leap forward this year. that would be awesome, but color me cautious.
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Didn't you watch the Saints game?

Phil Simms mentioned that KJ is a much improved players.

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About scheming, you get it all backward.
KJ was left on an island more than Allen.
When both KJ was on the field, he was treated as an equal to JJo by the scheme.

In fact, JJo might have had a hair more help (as he was covering the number 1 receiver).
 
steelbtexan said:
^^^^
This

The clear thought of KJ's ceiling should be down right scary for Texans fans. Considering they play Brady/Rodgers/Stafford/Cutler/Flacco etc....

There aint no Campbell/Moore/McCoy/Tebows on the schedule this yr.
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Some of these guys will get their numbers.
I ain't worry about it.
 
If anyone could please look at 14:08 in the 2nd qtr & tell me what you think.

We've got Anthony Armstrong (cut from Washingto) covered by Jjo... Looks like man coverage with safety help over the top. Tannehill throws the ball a little high, with maybe a little extra effort, Armstrong could have caught the ball.

A little more awareness, Manning could have intercepted the ball.

My big problem here, is that Armstrong is "wide open" It's 3rd & 13, why does Jjo bite on a short route & not play his man?

I know it's not KJack, but I didn't want to start a new thread just for this.
 
Just me I guess but I think KJ did pretty well. I must qualify this saying I missed first quarter but he did not give up a TD when I was not watching. Depending on his next game play, I will probably removes corner from my 2013 mock and that would be a huge compliment for Jackson.
 
I thought he did okay.

In the first half his good coverage forced an overthrow on a deep ball.

He also made a nice break on an out route, got both hands on the ball and nearly had a pick.

And of course he cleaned up JJ Watt's deflection for a pick.

But in the second half Heartline caught a deep ball past him because he once again failed to turn his head to locate the ball.

I think there was another instance where he did the same thing, failed to turn his head on a deep ball, but it fell incomplete.

Baby steps, I guess.
 
kwayshauntay said:
I thought he did okay.

In the first half his good coverage forced an overthrow on a deep ball.

He also made a nice break on an out route, got both hands on the ball and nearly had a pick.

And of course he cleaned up JJ Watt's deflection for a pick.

But in the second half Heartline caught a deep ball past him because he once again failed to turn his head to locate the ball.

I think there was another instance where he did the same thing, failed to turn his head on a deep ball, but it fell incomplete.

Baby steps, I guess.
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I had mentioned a situation like this already in a different thread.
(Moore's TD catch in the Saint PS game).

When the DB is in the trail position, he cannot afford to turn his head.
He will only lose separation from the receiver.
Look at some of AJ's catches.

I would have liked for KJ put on a jam on this play to get the receiver closer to the side line.
 
76Texan said:
I had mentioned a situation like this already in a different thread.
(Moore's TD catch in the Saint PS game).

When the DB is in the trail position, he cannot afford to turn his head.
He will only lose separation from the receiver.
Look at some of AJ's catches.

I would have liked for KJ put on a jam on this play to get the receiver closer to the side line.
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Jamming has not been his strong suit but he did seem to play more confidently so maybe he is getting better and can become a bump & run CB
 
76Texan said:
I had mentioned a situation like this already in a different thread.
(Moore's TD catch in the Saint PS game).

When the DB is in the trail position, he cannot afford to turn his head.
He will only lose separation from the receiver.
Look at some of AJ's catches.

I would have liked for KJ put on a jam on this play to get the receiver closer to the side line.
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Not true. I watched Chris Culliver do it vs the Packers a couple of times. I notice these things now because every time I see a CB do it, I think, wow, why can't our 1st round pick Kareeem do that?
 
kwayshauntay said:
Not true. I watched Chris Culliver do it vs the Packers a couple of times. I notice these things now because every time I see a CB do it, I think, wow, why can't our 1st round pick Kareeem do that?
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I'd be sure to check that game out.

On the other thread, I noted 4 different plays in the same game in which neither Manning, Quin, nor Bradie James turned their head around while in the same position.

I had the time of the plays as well as the down and distance for everybody to check.

When you trail only slightly and you have the receiver pinned to the side line, yeah, then it's a good idea to turn you head; otherwise, you're inviting trouble.
 
kwayshauntay said:
Not true. I watched Chris Culliver do it vs the Packers a couple of times. I notice these things now because every time I see a CB do it, I think, wow, why can't our 1st round pick Kareeem do that?
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Going to disagree with you on a trailer turning his head. Culliver was my boy in pre-draft mocks but in most situations, I want my DB catching up not looking for ball. Doesn't matter where ball is if he is a couple steps behind.
 
The footage that I noticed KJ on, I was pleasantly surprised. I thought that he was making pretty good breaks to the ball and was showing pretty strong recovery skills that have improved. Basing this off of one game of course, so don't take this as 100% correct. For all we know KJ will get burned by some rookie next week. But right now he played a pretty strong game in week one.
 
While KJ has improved greatly, he is no better than Dunta!!! Not tha comparing him to Dunta is any great shakes!!! Hel'll get better, better than Dunta tho'!!!
 
Texecutioner said:
The footage that I noticed KJ on, I was pleasantly surprised. I thought that he was making pretty good breaks to the ball and was showing pretty strong recovery skills that have improved. Basing this off of one game of course, so don't take this as 100% correct. For all we know KJ will get burned by some rookie next week. But right now he played a pretty strong game in week one.
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Texan_Bill said:
While KJ has improved greatly, he is no better than Dunta!!! Not tha comparing him to Dunta is any great shakes!!! Hel'll get better, better than Dunta tho'!!!
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KJ still needs to keep improving, I agree.
 
anyone see on the kareem interception, he shoved hartline to the ground. hartline actually had the inside position to possibly make a catch on the batted ball.. i thought kj made a heads up play right there and that the INT didnt technically fall into his lap..
 
I just saw Antoine Cason trailing (not sure if he was in trail technique, but he was trailing), then turn his head, look up to locate the ball, and break up the pass.

I've seen CB's do this ever since I can remember.
 
kwayshauntay said:
I just saw Antoine Cason trailing (not sure if he was in trail technique, but he was trailing), then turn his head, look up to locate the ball, and break up the pass.

I've seen CB's do this ever since I can remember.
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When you see something, at least try to make a mental note of when the play happened; otherwise, we have no way of seeing what you were seeing.
 
kwayshauntay said:
Not true. I watched Chris Culliver do it vs the Packers a couple of times. I notice these things now because every time I see a CB do it, I think, wow, why can't our 1st round pick Kareeem do that?
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OK, so here's the one play I saw.

9:02 in the second quarter.
Culliver was right next to the receiver Jones near the side line.
The ball was underthrown, forcing the receiver to slow down while looking at the ball.
This gave Culliver just enough time to catch up.
He grabbed the receiver's shoulder's pad and then turned around to locate the ball.

This is what I was talking about; when you're in good position
(ie. you know exactly where the receiver is going - Culliver with a hand on the shoulder pad of the receiver). He was in-phase with the receiver; that's a good time to turn your head.

A PI should have been called (the commentator saw it that way).
But that's besides the point.

Because the ball was underthrown (or for whatever reason), the DB was in a good position to defend the pass,
and therefore, can afford to turn his head to locate the ball.
 
A few plays later, at 7:40, Jones caught a 28-yd pass on Culliver.
On this play, Culliver was also in-phase (side by side) with the receiver; he never turned around to locate the ball.
Jones, however, extended his arm on the DB to get seperation and was called for offensive PI.
 
At 1:43 in the third, the DB was temporarily in-phase with the TE Davis but was not close enough to the side-line; he never turned his head to locate the ball.

At :54 in the fourth, Culliver played off-man and was ahead of the receiver Nelson along the side-line.
Here, as I said, the DB is in good position, and should turn his head to locate the ball.
He did just that.
As the ball was thrown inside, Culliver was able to deflect it.
If the ball was thrown as a back-shoulder fade, Nelson would probably have had a catch, but that's besides the point (I only mention this to show the double-edge sword of trying to locate the ball).
 
Wacth Romo's 40-yd TD pass to Ogletree in the third quarter against the Giants.
The replay should be there on NFL.com

The DB was in the shuffle and got beat by the receiver.
Instead of concentrating on recovering, he tried to look back at the ball and allowed even more separation.

Then watch the 34-yd TD pass to Austin in the fourth quarter.
Again, the DB got beat by the double-move.
Instead of making sure that he has the receiver in sight, he looked back and lost it all.
He could have defended that pass (or at least had a good shot at it).
 
On the almost-TD pass to Jean, the Dolphins DB was pretty much in phase with the receiver, but he never turned his head to locate the ball. He wasn't quite close enough to the side line.

Turning his head wouldn't have helped him anyway.
By concentrating on the receiver's eyes and then the hand/arm;
he was able to put a hand on Jean's right shoulder and arm (just a hair before the ball arrived).
Jean couldn't gathered both hands together sooner to secure the catch.

Turning his head here would only hurt the CB more; he wouldn't be able to pin-point the arrival location of the ball.

Also, if it was a back-shoulder fade, the CB would have been in no position to defend the play.
 
On the incompletion to Hartline down the middle to start the second half, I would have to wait until the coach's film comes out (I think on Wednesday sometimes) to see the play more closely.

At any rate, KJ was on the receiver like glue; even if the pass was on target, he would have been in good position to defend it.
 
KJ wasn't terrible. He was good in coverage, stuck to his receiver. He just needs to learn to locate the ball. He has no sense of where the ball is whatsoever, and that's what's getting him burned.
 
On AJ's 29-yd catch down the right side line in the fourth,
the CB was beaten by a double move and cannot afford to look back to the ball.
He was able to push AJ out of bound at the 3-yd line.
He would have given up a TD by turning his head to look at the ball.
 
Right after the 2-min warning, J Jo was defending a pass along the (offensive) left side line. He was ahead of the receiver but never turned his head to locate the ball.

The ball was a little short and outside such that the receiver could not get to it.

It was thrown around 15-16 yards from the LOS.
This is before the point where a receiver declares his intention (the top of his stem) and that was why JJo had not turned his head yet.
 
Another play where KJ defended well was the flag route ran by Hartline with 9:08 to go.

The pass overthrown and out of bound, otherwise, Jackson would have been in perfect position for a break up.
And if it was a poorly-thrown pass, KJ would have had an excellent chance at an INT.
 
CretorFrigg said:
KJ wasn't terrible. He was good in coverage, stuck to his receiver. He just needs to learn to locate the ball. He has no sense of where the ball is whatsoever, and that's what's getting him burned.
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I'm going to have to agree with 76 on this one. We can't expect the corner to turn his head every time. Some times it's just not practical. Since he first mentioned it, I've been watching & too many times the CB doesn't turn his head & there appears to be commonalities between those instances. Like the TD fade to Andre. Unless that CB has major ups, turning his head would have made it much worse. Instead, he kept his eyes on AJ & made it a difficult catch. (perfect throw by the way).

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I've never played DB (too slow) so I've never been coached. But on the Hartline catch we're talking about, Kj was more or less behind the receiver who was being led pretty good. Had he turned to find the ball, I don't think he would have had a shot at it or the tackle.

In that case, I can see a coach telling his player to play the man, watch his eyes, get his hands in the receivers view. Don't touch the receiver, but get his hands between the receivers elbows or something to make it difficult for him to pull the ball in.
 
 
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76Texan said:
OK, so here's the one play I saw.

9:02 in the second quarter.
Culliver was right next to the receiver Jones near the side line.
The ball was underthrown, forcing the receiver to slow down while looking at the ball.
This gave Culliver just enough time to catch up.
He grabbed the receiver's shoulder's pad and then turned around to locate the ball.

This is what I was talking about; when you're in good position
(ie. you know exactly where the receiver is going - Culliver with a hand on the shoulder pad of the receiver). He was in-phase with the receiver; that's a good time to turn your head.

A PI should have been called (the commentator saw it that way).
But that's besides the point.

Because the ball was underthrown (or for whatever reason), the DB was in a good position to defend the pass,
and therefore, can afford to turn his head to locate the ball.
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I remembered incorrectly. It was Tarell Brown (2007 5th round pick) that had the head-turn, locate-the-ball play that stuck out in my mind (2:05 1st Quarter).

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LcmdhRlhwxE/UE9ys-r7lMI/AAAAAAAAAMw/VOO2_MN14AA/s1600/tarell_brown2.gif

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Culliver (2011 3rd round pick) did have that play you mentioned where he got away with a jersey grab. The point is, he still turned his head to locate the ball. He demonstrated that he has that basic cornerback instinct, at least on this play.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-L1O2gzi4Ly8/UE9xryDUOWI/AAAAAAAAAL4/zLC97vmO6Sk/s1600/culliver1.gif



And also on this play

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ih8wU1MxSn8/UE9x0QIHHsI/AAAAAAAAAMA/l_v5Rqaviow/s1600/culliver2at.gif

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eLU-GCfSPt0/UE9x4cql3aI/AAAAAAAAAMI/QsaKYG_xrB8/s1600/culliver2b.gif

On similar plays, where the ball was underthrown, how many times the last two years have we seen Kareem never turn his head to locate the ball, and instead just flail and run into the guy?
 
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