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The improbable improvement of Kareem Jackson

steelbtexan said:
They split time and no KJ wasn't always on the field in the 4th qtr. KJ has improved but lets see him at the grownups table. (Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Stafford/Cutler) rather than the kiddie table (Dan O/Gabbert/Hasselbeck/Flacco/Campbell).

I'm not ready to crown him a middle of the road CB right now. Much less a top tier CB some on the MB have said he has become. Really, to this point what has KJ done to deserve that kind of accolades?
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Who's calling him a top tier CB?
 
I agree. Kareem plays the run very well and has always been solid around the line of scrimmage. If he can get his head around and make plays on the ball down the field, he can be a solid all around corner.





Rey said:
Kareem has been good on the short stuff since his rookie year, but that play he made last Saturday jumping that pass was not something weve seen a lot of.

Usually he's in good position on this type of routes, but it looks like now he has gotten to the point where he makes plays on the ball.

If Kareem can take his intermediate and deep coverage to another level as well then he is a keeper for sure.

He's always been a good tackler on the edge, so he really just has a few things to work on to become a solid all around player.

And tbh he looked better than j Jo did last game. J Jo will make his plays though.
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kwayshauntay said:
I liked the way they executed the coverage pre-snap, and just after the snap.

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Manning is manned up on Olsen, while it looks like KJ and McCain are in a matchup zone.

With the receivers crisscrossing, it looked like there was potential for some confusion there, but KJ and McCain managed to switch off seamlessly.
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Agreed but if Olsen had done a button hook coming back he would have been wide open.
 
Rey said:
I don't know about that...

Well, not from my perspective at least...

I thought Chris Meyers had talent since day one. I thought he fit what we needed out of the position to a T.

I think Kareem has just flat out gotten better. Maybe we can say the same thing about Meyers, bu tI think the improvement in Kareem is more dramatic...

JMO...
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Well, Myers already had 3 years in the league before he joined the Texans in 08.

He didn't get to play on the line until his last year in Denver, so if he had talent since day one, we wouldn't know.

Myers now have had 7 years in the league as compared to just two for Jackson.

If Kareem's improvement is as dramatic as you think, it bodes very well for him and his future, so that's all good. :texanbill:
 
I can't wait to witness the crow feast this year. I, like many others, have constantly said to have patience. Kareem's last 3 or so games last year, he looked very serviceable to almost above average. Seeing the first preseason game, I'd say he's still on track for continued improvement. I know many of you are man enough to own up to your Crow stew you've been brewing, and by the end of the season, you will be feasting on crow like the 2 weeks of turkey following Thanksgiving!
 
badboy said:
Agreed but if Olsen had done a button hook coming back he would have been wide open.
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And he would have not got the first down, or lost yardage, as KJax would have closed out just the same. I notice a lot of times our db's don't press, and they'll give you a little room. You hook back and they will come up and make the play. If your "IF" scenario would have played out, it would have still been to our advantage.
 
I love how Kareem broke to the ball on that play. Granted it was just one play but it showed that he's starting to understand and anticipate routes. Remember he's a great tackler for a corner back and is good at getting off blocks and stopping the run. Brandon Harris made a few plays and with that competition it will be interesting who makes this 53 man roster.
 
fiasco west said:
I'm really not surprised. I saw a decent CB last year, I saw improvement from year one to year two. This is why you give players a 3-4 year period to evaluate. That's all you ask for from young players is improvement year to year, that usually means they are working hard and they want to get better.

I guess we'll see, it's only pre-season. But I think he was good enough last year (obviously, Kareem still played a big role on one of the best secondaries in the NFL last year.) then any improvement is huge.

So far Kareem has only been improving his game, not regressing. Not saying the sky is the limit I'm just saying that's usually a very good thing for a player.

Nice to have the Kareem Jackson thread back!
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When you are trying to have a winning season, the first round pick needs to contribute immediately. Now we have a deeper team and can allow high picks like Posey to sit and learn. Two different scenarios. I truly believe Wade Phillips would not have selected KJ if he had been the DC. Guess we never will know.
 
Does anyone remember when Duane Brown was out there his first couple years and all the crap slung on message boards about him?


I do.


I don't care how "NFL ready" a guy is....there's some adjustment time and being surrounded by vets like he was last season can only help KJ improve.
 
badboy said:
When you are trying to have a winning season, the first round pick needs to contribute immediately. Now we have a deeper team and can allow high picks like Posey to sit and learn. Two different scenarios. I truly believe Wade Phillips would not have selected KJ if he had been the DC. Guess we never will know.
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Remember Mike Jenkins, Wade's #25th pick in 2008.
He started 3 games as the nickel back in his rookie year.

Here's what a Cowboy fan think of him in 2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1VBcrpCAaI

LOL!
 
b0ng said:
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/08/texans-kareem-jackson-showing-a-lot-of-improvement/



http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...-Jackson/5bd0e086-1bf4-4186-9772-da47776ae8ab



http://houston.cbslocal.com/2012/08/14/is-kareem-jackson-improving/



Soooooooooo, it's being talked about but why do I smell smoke and have the feeling something is being blown up my butt? Is Jackson really improving? Have dogs and cats started living together in harmony? What's really going on denizens of texanstalk?

Also, what do we make of him now judged against his contemporaries who went near where he did in the draft of that year (Kyle Wilson, Devin McCourty)?
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KJ has improved ten fold from his rookie year. Its a wonder what a good pash rush can do for your CB's.

Kyle Wilson still cannot over take the #2 CB spot from Cromartie, who is extremely over rated at his position.

McCourty is good.
 
Perki-Perk said:
I can't wait to witness the crow feast this year. I, like many others, have constantly said to have patience. Kareem's last 3 or so games last year, he looked very serviceable to almost above average. Seeing the first preseason game, I'd say he's still on track for continued improvement. I know many of you are man enough to own up to your Crow stew you've been brewing, and by the end of the season, you will be feasting on crow like the 2 weeks of turkey following Thanksgiving!
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I hope you're right.

If you are, I would like my crow smothered in gravy please. LOL
 
2slik4u said:
McCourty is good.
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But he looked like crap in 2011. He is the only rookie corner I can think of that contributed as much to his team's success as a rookie in at least 10 years.

Guys like Patrick Peterson, & Joe Haden... both top 10 picks have struggled since joining the league.

There's no doubt in my mind if the 2010 defense looked like the 2011 defense (or even the 2009 defense) the perception of Kj would be much different around here.

We lost our DL pass rushing rotation before the first half of the first game, Bullman was done for the season in training camp, Barwin went down early game one. Cushing got pregnant, Demeco tore his Achilles when Cushing got back.

Kj is going to be fine, I have no doubt in that.

Hey, didn't Wade draft Ball??
 
Brandon Jacobs posted this on Twitter:

Brandon Jacobs ‏@gatorboy45

Big ups to Kareem Jackson from the Texans he is a classy guy, he came to the the X-ray room to wish me a speedy recovery.
 
Being afraid to lay a lick on a big back has never been a weakness of Jackson's.

Glad to see he went and checked on the big guy, stay classy Kareem.
 
Kareem Jackson suffered from poor coaching and poor scheme his first year. He's a very good CB now. Not great, but very good.
 
Allstar said:
Brandon Jacobs posted this on Twitter:

Brandon Jacobs ‏@gatorboy45

Big ups to Kareem Jackson from the Texans he is a classy guy, he came to the the X-ray room to wish me a speedy recovery.
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yeah he looked concerned on the sideline
 
He's never been bad when the play is in front of him except for too much cushion. I think that was a result of being beat on the deeper routes and his inability to turn and find the ball. So far he appears to have improved a little on that bot he hasn't had a good QB pick on him yet.
 
Allstar said:
Brandon Jacobs posted this on Twitter:

Brandon Jacobs ‏@gatorboy45

Big ups to Kareem Jackson from the Texans he is a classy guy, he came to the the X-ray room to wish me a speedy recovery.
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I like that KJ did that. thanks for posting.
 
I thought KJ was a very good cb last year and I expect he will be even better this year. In fact do not be shocked if he makes pro bowl.
 
If KJ makes the Pro Bowl, even HE will be shocked.:doot:

I'm reserving judgement on him until I see whether he has learned to turn his head around on long routes.
 
i think jackson's right on schedule. he got abused his first season, but that's hard to blame kareem for. terrible coaching, no pass rush, and an asinine scheme set him up to fail. and let's not forget that despite being essentially a senior in college he was one of the old guys in the secondary and the top guy his rookie year. the kid didnt stand a chance.

last year was essentially a "do over" of his rookie year with real coaching and a great scheme, and he's steadily and noticeably improving. i expect by the end of this season he goes from an average starter to a strong #2 cb and would even make several rosters as a #1. he's built so well for wade's defense that he's just going to get better and better.
 
You guys are unbelievable. One day it's "he sucks," next day "he's very good." I guess we are back to "he sucks."

He will improve with good coaching. He is still going through that process.
 
TexansSeminole said:
You guys are unbelievable. One day it's "he sucks," next day "he's very good." I guess we are back to "he sucks."

He will improve with good coaching. He is still going through that process.
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i think everyone can agree he still needs to work on locating the ball.
 
EllisUnit said:
i think everyone can agree he still needs to work on locating the ball.
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That's been his big weakness. He's improved in regards to sticking with guys down field. Now he just needs to locate.

Put him in a position in which everything is in front of him and he is very good though.
 
EllisUnit said:
hes a zone CB not a man
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It's not that cut and dry. His strengths right now are more suitable for zone. He just needs to work on locating the ball and positioning down field and he will improve in man. He has already improved drastically in that area. He is a work in progress, just like all NFL players.

Kareem Jackson is going to be fine.
 
TexansSeminole said:
It's not that cut and dry. His strengths right now are more suitable for zone. He just needs to work on locating the ball and positioning down field and he will improve in man. He has already improved drastically in that area. He is a work in progress, just like all NFL players.

Kareem Jackson is going to be fine.
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3rd season :foottap:
 
TexansSeminole said:
It's not that cut and dry. His strengths right now are more suitable for zone. He just needs to work on locating the ball and positioning down field and he will improve in man. He has already improved drastically in that area. He is a work in progress, just like all NFL players.

Kareem Jackson is going to be fine.
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Being good at playing the ball in the air is usually something you are good at or you just aren't.

I'm hoping Kareem will get better in this aspect, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
Rey said:
Being good at playing the ball in the air is usually something you are good at or you just aren't.

I'm hoping Kareem will get better in this aspect, but I'm not holding my breath.
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I wouldn't say his problem is playing the ball in the air. His problem is timing his turnaround. He can play it when he sees it. It's a pretty common problem corners have.

I fully expect everyone to fry him though as they always have. When he puts it all together, they'll shut up as usual.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I wouldn't say his problem is playing the ball in the air. His problem is timing his turnaround. He can play it when he sees it. It's a pretty common problem corners have.

I fully expect everyone to fry him though as they always have. When he puts it all together, they'll shut up as usual.
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That's part of playing the ball in the air. And I disagree with your assessment anyways. Kareem lacks a few skills that would aide him in down field coverage.

And no one has fried him in here. Pointing out errors and mistakes is what people do on message boards.
 
Rey said:
That's part of playing the ball in the air.

And no one has fried him in here. Pointing out errors and mistakes is what people do on message boards.
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Not since this season has started, outside of one or two posters. But it will come, trust me on that.

And you are trying to argue semantics. "Playing the ball in the air" to me means how you adjust when you locate the ball with your eyes. Locating the ball with your eyes is different IMO.
 
I have to say, I'm very disappointed that Harris was a 2nd round pick and isn't pushing Jackson, or really anyone else, for that matter.
 
TexansFanatic said:
We are being lied to. Kareem was a first round bust and the Texans refuse to admit it.

Yo, Coach----please cut your losses.
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I still don't believe we can say that yet. WAtch the guy, he's very talented. Stupid, but talented. He struggled today. No denying that. It's the coaches job to figure out why & fix it.

To me it's like buying a car, sometimes the car you get doesn't perform exactly the way you e pecked it to. Unless you're rich, you're usually stuck with it until a better opt ok n comes along. That's where we are now. We've done spent our wad on a secondary, high dollar FAs (x2) & a first round pick.

I don't think anyone is trying to pull the wool over our eyes, just trying to do the best with what we've got. We get JJ Watt & Cushing back, Kareem will be a small problem again.
 
eriadoc said:
I have to say, I'm very disappointed that Harris was a 2nd round pick and isn't pushing Jackson, or really anyone else, for that matter.
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This is his first training camp. Brice is one of the best nickle backs in the league. Fans need to adjust their expectation for draft picks now, because the texans are now talented enough to draft players at positions that there will be a need in future years and maybe not an impact player their first years.

Brice-Harris
Myers-Ben Jones
Antonio Smith-Crick
Eric Winston-Newton
Caldwell-Brooks

High quality potential replacement for a lot of positions.
 
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