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The Brandon Weeden thread

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This is a salute to our secret savior. A place where posters (a poster) can freely post about weeden and his greatness without retaliation or snide comments. A place, no a blog, all about weeden where posters (a poster) can share and trade weeden memorabilia. This is is a place unlimited by restraining orders where posters (a poster) are welcome to say all they like about the glory, the legacy, the gift to mankind that is Brandon Weeden.


(My apologies to the actual Brandon Weeden because you may be a cool guy ,but you have a stalker.)
 
battleredready said:
I'm a fan of Weeden and I really don't think you are referring to me.... thread seems a bit childish of you in my opinion.
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I thought it was a bit insufficient myself. I keep looking but I'm not seeing the Thorsson's "Start Brandon Weeden" Board under the Texans Talk Forum.

It's time. It's really past time.
 
driller80545 said:
I say we are still playing with Weeden!
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Might be. I certainly can't see anything Brock did in the game that Weeden couldn't have accomplished. Now he couldn't actually catch the pass for Fuller so there's that but he might have made a few more plays than Os. Savage could have too but after Brock got the W in that gimmie game against the Raiders I can see why O'Brien couldn't just straight up choose to pull him going into the Patriots game.

What's annoying (to me at least) is that this is two years in a row where our season has ended in a playoff defeat that I really don't think would have necessarily been the losses they were if Bill had just been willing to swap out his QB in either one but both times I can see why he didn't.
 
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I like the idea of this thread. The case for Weeden was made over a year ago. If I can find the time when I'm at my computer and not posting from my phone, I'll try to find these old posts and bring them forward and repost here. I can't remember much of a case against Weeden, other than fact he hasn't won at Cleveland or Dallas, but I'll try and find some substance for the case against him and repost that also.
 
Number19 said:
I like the idea of this thread. The case for Weeden was made over a year ago. If I can find the time when I'm at my computer and not posting from my phone, I'll try to find these old posts and bring them forward and repost here. I can't remember much of a case against Weeden, other than fact he hasn't won at Cleveland or Dallas, but I'll try and find some substance for the case against him and repost that also.
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For the record, and I know the video of all those interceptions looks pretty bad I just can't hold anyone's results "in Cleveland" against them. I don't hold Romeo Crennel's record as HC in Cleveland against him. I don't hold Weeden's record as a starter in Cleveland against him. Nobody deserves to have Cleveland hanging around their neck forever.

I don't even judge Manziel on what he did (or didn't do) in Cleveland. He was a douche long before he ever put on an orange helmet.
 
The Cliff Notes on Weeden's career:

Cleveland - Lackluster rookie season. Benched for Hoyer after 2 games his second year. Hoyer lost for season. Benched for Jason Campbell. Campbell gets injured. Benched for Campbell again. Cleveland career done.

Dallas - 2014 came in for an injured Romo to finish a game and started one game. 2015 came in again for an injured Romo and started three games. Was 0-4 as a starter. Benched in the bye week because they signed Matt Cassell. Cut a few games later. Dallas career done.

Houston - Comes in for an injured Yates who was signed off the street to replace an injured Hoyer, beats the Luck-less Colts. Plays a good game in a blowout win against the 3-11 Titans. Promptly proclaimed the best QB on the team because of those 6 quarters, completely ignoring the 28 games in Cleveland and 6 games in Dallas.
 
For a summary of his career stats, 965 attempts for 6462 yards and 6.7 average. 31 TD's and 30 int's (17 int's his rookie season). A rating of 76.0. His rating with Dallas was 85.7 in 2014 and 92.1 in 2015.
 
sandman said:
The Cliff Notes on Weeden's career:

Cleveland - Lackluster rookie season. Benched for Hoyer after 2 games his second year. Hoyer lost for season. Benched for Jason Campbell. Campbell gets injured. Benched for Campbell again. Cleveland career done.

Dallas - 2014 came in for an injured Romo to finish a game and started one game. 2015 came in again for an injured Romo and started three games. Was 0-4 as a starter. Benched in the bye week because they signed Matt Cassell. Cut a few games later. Dallas career done.

Houston - Comes in for an injured Yates who was signed off the street to replace an injured Hoyer, beats the Luck-less Colts. Plays a good game in a blowout win against the 3-11 Titans. Promptly proclaimed the best QB on the team because of those 6 quarters, completely ignoring the 28 games in Cleveland and 6 games in Dallas.
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We know this. So much depends on where you start in the NFL. What team takes you and how many coaches you go through. How patient the franchise is. Look at his lackluster rookie season in Cleveland for example and compare it to David Carr's first season.

Weeden went 5-10 and was 297 out of 517 attempts for 3385 yards (57.4%). He threw 14 TD's and 17 INT's and his QB rating was 72.6

Benched 2 games into his second season for Brian Hoyer.

Note, first two games of 2013 NO JOSH "cause I got high" GORDON. Brandon takes a seat and his replacement instantly benefits from the only WR on the team worth a crap coming back.

Carr went 4-12 and was 233 out of 444 attempts for 2592 yards (52.5%). He threw 9 TD's and 15 INT's and his QB rating was 62.8

Given another 4 seasons to get better.

Granted Carr finally posted a better QB rating than rookie Weeden 4 years later and never threw for 17 TD's in a season (or for single-digit INT's) but he got a chance to get better. Weeden never got that chance despite showing more in his rookie year than Carr ever did. Look at Manning's rookie season.

Manning went 3-13 and was 326 out of 575 for 3739 yards (56.7%). He threw 26 TD's and 28 INT's and his QB rating was 71.2

If he'd been drafted (in a different time) by Cleveland he might have found himself watching Brian Hoyer the next year from the bench.

Cleveland is where QB's go to die now. No one is successful in Cleveland.
 
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Hervoyel said:
We know this. So much depends on where you start in the NFL. What team takes you and how many coaches you go through. How patient the franchise is. Look at his lackluster rookie season in Cleveland for example and compare it to David Carr's first season.

Weeden went 5-10 and was 297 out of 517 attempts for 3385 yards (57.4%). He threw 14 TD's and 17 INT's and his QB rating was 72.6

Benched 2 games into his second season for Brian Hoyer.

Note, first two games of 2013 NO JOSH "cause I got high" GORDON. Brandon takes a seat and his replacement instantly benefits from the only WR on the team worth a crap coming back.

Carr went 4-12 and was 233 out of 444 attempts for 2592 yards (52.5%). He threw 9 TD's and 15 INT's and his QB rating was 62.8

Given another 4 seasons to get better.

Granted Carr finally posted a better QB rating than rookie Weeden 4 years later and never threw for 17 TD's in a season (or for single-digit INT's) but he got a chance to get better. Weeden never got that chance despite showing more in his rookie year than Carr ever did. Look at Manning's rookie season.

Manning went 3-13 and was 326 out of 575 for 3739 yards (56.7%). He threw 26 TD's and 28 INT's and his QB rating was 71.2

If he'd been drafted (in a different time) by Cleveland he might have found himself watching Brian Hoyer the next year from the bench.

Cleveland is where QB's go to die now. No one is successful in Cleveland.
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Good stuff.
 
First Texans win in Indy? Brandon Weeden, baby!

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If we're not going to sign a FA QB or draft one, and all three of these guys are back next year, I say have a three-way competition in camp and may the best man win. Why not? I dang sure would've taken what Weeden did in 2015 spread over 16 games this season.
 
I'm not at all trying to suggest that Weeden is any kind of answer. I think the Texans QB answer lies somewhere not on our roster most likely but people forget he was a rookie QB (despite his age) in CLEVELAND. Nobody succeeds in Cleveland. Nobody.

Go back and watch that video again (which is very funny and which I've watched a few times before) and look at how many tipped balls there were, guys with crocodile arms and guys getting a jump ball thrown to them who don't appear to have even considered going up and fighting for it much less playing DB for a moment and preventing the pick. One guy doesn't even turn around. Clearly there's some ball placement issues here. The game has not slowed down for him at this point. Again: he's a rookie. The guy here in Dallas is clearly more comfortable playing at this level


The guy who came to Houston was not the same guy who was abysmal in Cleveland. He looked like he was having fun playing the game in Dallas and Houston. Cleveland just sucks the joy out of everything.
 
tedr said:
If we're not going to sign a FA QB or draft one, and all three of these guys are back next year, I say have a three-way competition in camp and may the best man win. Why not? I dang sure would've taken what Weeden did in 2015 spread over 16 games this season.
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I would do this if they're going to just draft another project type guy and then add him to the group they already have. What could it hurt? If Weeden wins it that just shows you exactly where we are and what we need to do. If Savage wins it at least he had to be better than more than just Brock to get the job.
 
battleredready said:
I'm a fan of Weeden and I really don't think you are referring to me.... thread seems a bit childish of you in my opinion.
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Hervoyel said:
I thought it was a bit insufficient myself. I keep looking but I'm not seeing the Thorsson's "Start Brandon Weeden" Board under the Texans Talk Forum.

It's time. It's really past time.
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At a minimum we need an Official Brandon Weeden MVP Watch Thread!
 
IMO, the problem with Weeden is that he is a better QB for the Texans in the same as Fitzpatrick was in 2014, Hoyer in 2015..The offense was not historical bad and boring, but it was still a below average offense limited by the QB position. I think the Texans would still 9-7 maybe that weak 10-6 with another year sporting a journeyman QB. Do you really think the Pats would not have figured out a way to defend Weeden?

Weeden is a case of "better" does not mean really any different.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
...Do you really think the Pats would not have figured out a way to defend Weeden?

Weeden is a case of "better" does not mean really any different.
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It's been mentioned numerous times that Fuller was running wide open on deep routes. Yes he dropped that one ball, but Weeden, and Savage, throw a better deep ball.

You can't defend against speed without safety help. This opens up the underneath.

Weeden's outstanding ability to throw an accurate deep ball, alone, is sufficient for him to have seen playing time this past season and why he should be given an honest chance at the position this coming year.

We also have Wendall Williams. I wouldn't mind seeing these two lined up opposite each other a couple times a game, with Weeden under the center and capable of hitting these receivers in stride, deep.
 
Number19 said:
Weeden's outstanding ability to throw an accurate deep ball, alone, is sufficient for him to have seen playing time this past season...
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Yet he was only active when Savage was unavailable.

Reports now are saying O'b is doubling down on Osweiler with his move of firing Godsey & taking over as OC.


Well, maybe not reports, but members posting they've seen reports that insinuate speculation of O'b possibly suggesting he's been mandated to fix the offense.
 
thunderkyss said:
Yet he was only active when Savage was unavailable.

Reports now are saying O'b is doubling down on Osweiler with his move of firing Godsey & taking over as OC.


Well, maybe not reports, but members posting they've seen reports that insinuate speculation of O'b possibly suggesting he's been mandated to fix the offense.
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It was indeed curious to see Weeden standing on the sidelines in street clothes while our starting QB stank it up on the playing field. Not just curious, but painful
 
thunderkyss said:
Yet he was only active when Savage was unavailable.

Reports now are saying O'b is doubling down on Osweiler with his move of firing Godsey & taking over as OC.


Well, maybe not reports, but members posting they've seen reports that insinuate speculation of O'b possibly suggesting he's been mandated to fix the offense.
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No, not reports, just speculation. But You know it is happening : McNair, Smith and OB will be meeting to discuss "things". They do this every year.

It happened last year. There were two mandates last year: find a QB and improve the speed of the team.

This year you know OB will have to explain the let down at the QB position, after the team went and spent all that money on Oz. We can only speculate at this time what will come out of this meeting, but some decisions will be made which will influence our QB'ing next season.

A Second mandate will be to address our OL, particularly RT.
 
Number19 said:
It's been mentioned numerous times that Fuller was running wide open on deep routes. Yes he dropped that one ball, but Weeden, and Savage, throw a better deep ball.

You can't defend against speed without safety help. This opens up the underneath.

Weeden's outstanding ability to throw an accurate deep ball, alone, is sufficient for him to have seen playing time this past season and why he should be given an honest chance at the position this coming year.

We also have Wendall Williams. I wouldn't mind seeing these two lined up opposite each other a couple times a game, with Weeden under the center and capable of hitting these receivers in stride, deep.
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So I am not sure how this addresses the offense being a little better w/o the teams overall results being any better?
 
The Texans would have a much more exciting offense with Weeden at the helm. Take a look at the first pass in this video, with Weeden throwing the ball deep and hitting Hopkins in stride and in double coverage where only Hopkins can get the ball. Can't throw a deep ball any better than that!

 
Good thread. Weeden deserves some discussion on his own thread. Though it's frustrating "savior QB" threads have been here much longer than I have....lol.

I say we build a top-notch QB and have Mexico pay for it.
 
Braxton Miller had some nice college highlights, but he didn't he lose his starting QB job to J.T. Barrett and then Cardale Jones? Can't remember what happened to his college QB career.
 
Thorsson said:
The Texans would have a much more exciting offense with Weeden at the helm. Take a look at the first pass in this video, with Weeden throwing the ball deep and hitting Hopkins in stride and in double coverage where only Hopkins can get the ball. Can't throw a deep ball any better than that!

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If you give me the first number drawn to the Powerball millions on Saturday, it is much more exciting and I have a better chance at getting lucky, but I still don't have a really good chance at winning.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
If you give me the first number drawn to the Powerball millions on Saturday, it is much more exciting and I have a better chance at getting lucky, but I still don't have a really good chance at winning.
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Weeden's ability to throw deep and spread the field gives the Texans a much better chance to win and a more exciting team.

Take a look at Hoyer's playoff game last year against the Chiefs. The Chiefs defense had no respect for Hoyer's arm strength, played a shorter field, and easily intercepted his passes. Weeden can hit a receiver in stride 70 yards downfield, thus opening up the deep and short routes.
 
Thorsson said:
Weeden's ability to throw deep and spread the field gives the Texans a much better chance to win and a more exciting team.

Take a look at Hoyer's playoff game last year against the Chiefs. The Chiefs defense had no respect for Hoyer's arm strength, played a shorter field, and easily intercepted his passes. Weeden can hit a receiver in stride 70 yards downfield, thus opening up the deep and short routes.
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So another example of "much better" = "better than" nearly none. The first Powerball number is 5.

I will listen to and concede to the idea that Weeden would have played better than the worst starter in the league. I don't believe that a 33 year old QB with about the same number of TDs to Ints and 76.0 passer rating that no NFL team thinks is a starter is going to confuse any legitimate NFL defense.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
So another example of "much better" = "better than" nearly none. The first Powerball number is 5.

I will listen to and concede to the idea that Weeden would have played better than the worst starter in the league. I don't believe that a 33 year old QB with about the same number of TDs to Ints and 76.0 passer rating that no NFL team thinks is a starter is going to confuse any legitimate NFL defense.
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You are dwelling in the past. Weeden is no longer on the Browns. Tom Brady couldn't win in Cleveland!

You absolutely refuse to admit that Weeden, with a limited knowledge of the playbook, looked great last season with the Texans. You are the type of person whom, if Weeden had a great game, you would criticize it by talking about his age. I bet you are excited to watch Osweiler throw his trademark 4-yard passes next season.

Weeden may be 33, but he played baseball for numerous years, thus he's probably younger in football terms than Osweiler and Savage are.

Here is a video for you to enjoy:
 
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Well, this thread didn't show up until too late. Then it was short lived and disappointing... Oh, wait. That's the story of Weeden's career.
 
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Texanmike02 said:
Well, this thread didn't show up until too late. Then it was short lived and disappointing... Oh, wait. That's the story of Weeden's career.
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After another year of watching Osweiler's trademark 4-yard passes and dismal performances next season, you'll be wishing Weeden would've started.
 
Weeden was cut for Matt freakin Cassel. After he was coming off a 36.7 rating in Minn, the Cowboys gave up a draft pick to Buffalo for him. Just so they could get rid of Weeden.

Yep, he's sure the cat's meow
 
Thorsson said:
After another year of watching Osweiler's trademark 4-yard passes and dismal performances next season, you'll be wishing Weeden would've started.
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We learned our lesson with Slaughter... Former Browns are always a disappointment...
 
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Thorsson said:
Braxton Miller had some nice college highlights, but he didn't he lose his starting QB job to J.T. Barrett and then Cardale Jones? Can't remember what happened to his college QB career.
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Braxton was the man at Ohio St. in '12 and '13 but got hurt early in '14 and was red-shirted.
When he came back in 2015, Cardell Jones and JT Barrett had taken over at QB. He switched to WR to get playing time.
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JB said:
Weeden was cut for Matt freakin Cassel. After he was coming off a 36.7 rating in Minn, the Cowboys gave up a draft pick to Buffalo for him. Just so they could get rid of Weeden.

Yep, he's sure the cat's meow
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Yeah, what a rocket science move from Jerry Jones bringing in the noodle-arm Matt Cassel was! The fact remains, Weeden was the best QB on the Cowboys last season, and that's with no Dez Bryant to throw to. Both Romo & Cassel had Dez Bryant in the lineup and still stunk out the joint. The oft-injured Romo & noodle-arm Cassel specialized in throwing Pick Sixes; Romo threw two in one game!
 
Thorsson said:
Yeah, what a rocket science move from Jerry Jones bringing in the noodle-arm Matt Cassel was! The fact remains, Weeden was the best QB on the Cowboys last season, and that's with no Dez Bryant to throw to. Both Romo & Cassel had Dez Bryant in the lineup and still stunk out the joint. The oft-injured Romo & noodle-arm Cassel specialized in throwing Pick Sixes; Romo threw two in one game!
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Hang in there Thor.

Some of them want Romo. :spit:


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cuppacoffee said:
Hang in there Thor. Some of them want Romo.
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And don't forget, the Cowboys started Weeden instead of Romo for several games last season.

Oh sure, some of y'all will come up with excuses why that happened, but fact is, the Cowboys did start Weeden instead of Romo. FACT.
 
ROO said:
And don't forget, the Cowboys started Weeden instead of Romo for several games last season.

Oh sure, some of y'all will come up with excuses why that happened, but fact is, the Cowboys did start Weeden instead of Romo. FACT.
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And promptly cut him
 
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