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Texans workout former 1st rounder Gholston

Jackie Chiles said:
I'll see your Jason Babin and raise you a Jamal Reynolds.
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Yeah but it would be nice to try. Problem is we'd have to cut someone. I don't think much of him. The Bears and Jets passed on him. I could see if it were two teams who knew nothing about defense...but these teams have great defensive staffs and I think if they thought they could get something out of the guy he'd still be with one of those teams.
 
fiasco west said:
Yeah but it would be nice to try. Problem is we'd have to cut someone. I don't think much of him. The Bears and Jets passed on him. I could see if it were two teams who knew nothing about defense...but these teams have great defensive staffs and I think if they thought they could get something out of the guy he'd still be with one of those teams.
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Sometimes a player bounces around the league before they become a productive player. Sometimes they never become productive.

I trust Wade Phillips and his staff on player evaluation.

Does Vernon Gholston have practice squad eligibility?
 
GP said:
If you guys are going to defend the David Anderson re-acquisition (a guy who hasn't had a TD in 3 years) then why the "hate" for Gholston?

Hell, I bet Gholston could catch the ball and get more YAC than DA can. Ouch.
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Dude is yoked. I'd try him out. Whats the worst that happens? Doesn't work, cut him.

eriadoc said:
1.) Because it sounds like he has major issues between the ears. Like it or not, talent doesn't mean **** if you can't fit into what your boss wants you to do. That goes for any profession, including NFL football player.

2.) Gholston made NINE plays in three years. NINE. PLAYS. I'm sticking with the midget white kid with no dance moves and a ton less physical ability.
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You may not want to bold NINE PLAYS in three years when defending DA. That may be 7 more than DA has had.
 
All I know is that the same team that took Amobi Okoye and has gotten some production out of him also tried out Gholston and said Thanks, but no thanks.

Not sure what role they see him playing.
 
ChampionTexan said:
thunderkyss said:
no runninbacks?

WTF?

I guess we're going with Tate & Slaton... for the Saints.
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A. What have the Texans said or done to this point that makes you think Smith and Kubiak don't believe Foster is still a viable possibility for Sunday?

B. Who's out there on the street that you believe would be a better option than Ogbonnaya for a game five days from now?
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So in your opinion, do you think some of us may be over-reacting to the Arian Foster situation?
 
Super Mario said:
All I know is that the same team that took Amobi Okoye and has gotten some production out of him also tried out Gholston and said Thanks, but no thanks.

Not sure what role they see him playing.
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Yep if Marinelli cant get it out of Gholston it's not in him.

I'll raise you guys a Mike Mamula.
 
DexmanC said:
Vernon sux, is a first round bust, and will never amount to CRAP!

signed,

Jason Babin
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Babin wasn't a 3-4 OLB which is where Dom Capers drafted him to play, and when given the opportunity to play as a 4-3 DE he did well. His last year here (when Kubiak arrived and the Texans returned to the 4-3), Babin played pretty well as a DE but they let him go. After that he bounced around awhile, but I suspect nobody had much of an investment in him anymore and he wasn't given a real opportunity until he got to Nashville.
I watched him Sunday night in the Philly vs ATL game and he was relentless. He's a max effort guy whon never stops and is effective in the 4-3.
 
Meh, in Wade I'll trust, but my first reaction was heck no. Dude didn't make it for the Jets (3-4) or the Bears (4-3).
 
If we didn't have to give him a roster spot, I'd be all over it. As it is, who do we drop to bring this guy in?

But, as has been said, if Wade wants him, welcome to the team.
 
I still say there is no way on earth we sign this guy. He isn't the type of player that Wade normally goes for. Wade typically loves high motor guys. He has the motor of a lawn mower, not a high speed ferrari.
 
IDEXAN said:
Babin wasn't a 3-4 OLB which is where Dom Capers drafted him to play, and when given the opportunity to play as a 4-3 DE he did well. His last year here (when Kubiak arrived and the Texans returned to the 4-3), Babin played pretty well as a DE but they let him go. After that he bounced around awhile, but I suspect nobody had much of an investment in him anymore and he wasn't given a real opportunity until he got to Nashville.
I watched him Sunday night in the Philly vs ATL game and he was relentless. He's a max effort guy whon never stops and is effective in the 4-3.
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I wouldn't argue with anyone on this 'board about Jason Babin. The guy was hated by so many (most) people on this board, it wasn't funny.

You mention a good play by Babin & you'd think you were singing the praises of David Carr or Phillip Buchanon... The fans here (the original board really) never forgave Babin for being drafted by the Houston Texans.

& now that he's out there actually doing something..... "We should have known.... Fire Kubiak..... Fire Smith.... blah, blah, blah... " Or they want to question Kubiak/Smith's ability to assess player capability.

Classic.
 
thunderkyss said:
So in your opinion, do you think some of us may be over-reacting to the Arian Foster situation?
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I don't pretend to have a clue as to the correct reaction to Arian's situation, and I'm not saying The Texans are handling it right or wrong (again, I try to avoid casting blame (or spreading praise) where I don't have enough facts to do so). I'm just saying that even if they should have, the Texans haven't indicated they believe it's a foregone conclusion Arian will be inactive on Sunday. Everything I've heard from them indicates they still think he might play.
 
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BigBull17 said:
Dude is yoked. I'd try him out. Whats the worst that happens? Doesn't work, cut him.
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Well you are releasing a player off the roster who may be better than Gholston and exposing him to the rest of the NFL.

As for bringing him in cause he is yoked, is that really your argument, muscles = NFL talent?
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Well you are releasing a player off the roster who may be better than Gholston and exposing him to the rest of the NFL.

As for bringing him in cause he is yoked, is that really your argument, muscles = NFL talent?
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Just a comment. He is obviously athletic. I would be willing to bring him in for Bulmen. He's very fringe and I don't think he is indispensable. Or DA
 
kiwitexansfan said:
As for bringing him in cause he is yoked, is that really your argument, muscles = NFL talent?
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As a Qb or WR or RB, no, muscles don't amount to a whole lot, even if they do add on to talent.

As a DL?!? Yeah, I'd say a pretty good portion of the game is size and strength. That's why David Anderson isn't backing up JJ Watt.

I hope nobody thinks I'm gonna die if they don't sign him. I'm saying as a backup and in comparison to Tim Bulman..........Bulman is kind of a total scrub on a team with fewer and fewer of his types.
 
TimeKiller said:
As a Qb or WR or RB, no, muscles don't amount to a whole lot, even if they do add on to talent.

As a DL?!? Yeah, I'd say a pretty good portion of the game is size and strength. That's why David Anderson isn't backing up JJ Watt.

I hope nobody thinks I'm gonna die if they don't sign him. I'm saying as a backup and in comparison to Tim Bulman..........Bulman is kind of a total scrub on a team with fewer and fewer of his types.
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And Gholstons floor is about equal with Bulmans ceiling.
 
BigBull17 said:
And Gholstons floor is about equal with Bulmans ceiling.
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Bulman's had 32 tackles and 4 sacks in his limited career as an UDFA. Gholston has had 24 tackles and 0 sacks for his limited career as a 1st rounder. So it looks like Bulman's floor is Gholston's ceiling to me.

Gholston hasn't gotten off the floor in 3 years. Why would he start now
 
HOU-TEX said:
Bulman's had 32 tackles and 4 sacks in his limited career as an UDFA. Gholston has had 24 tackles and 0 sacks for his limited career as a 1st rounder. So it looks like Bulman's floor is Gholston's ceiling to me.

Gholston hasn't gotten off the floor in 3 years. Why would he start now
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Yep...And Bulman has actually looked pretty good to me in his limited action...This is a good defense for DE/DT tweeners like him.
 
TexansFanatic said:
There's always an urge among casual fans to sign a free agent who was previously a high draft choice.

Gholston was taken 6th overall. That's freaking high! Even I was initially urged to say SIGN HIM!!

But look at his history. Look at why the Jets cut him and nobody picked him up. Look at the fact that he recorded ZERO sacks in three years.

He's a bust. Plain and simple.
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Ahhhh...high draft pick busts. David Carr @ #1 anyone?

:vincepalm:
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Vinnie said:
This and only this.

GP, Christ man, you brought DA into this thread too? I think we should all somehow find a way to bring DA into every thread, we can make it a game.
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It's like that Kevin Bacon game. How can we connect David Anderson to every Texans news item?
 
Super Mario said:
All I know is that the same team that took Amobi Okoye and has gotten some production out of him also tried out Gholston and said Thanks, but no thanks.

Not sure what role they see him playing.
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steelbtexan said:
Yep if Marinelli cant get it out of Gholston it's not in him.

I'll raise you guys a Mike Mamula.
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Interesting points. Maybe you're right.
...But....

Gholston would have had to take P/T from Julius Peppers or Israel Idonije to play end and I doubt he's good enough at LB to steal snaps from Briggs, Urlacher, or Roach.

Anyone recall who Amobi had to unseat to get into the DT rotation in Chicago?
Anyone....?
They've been looking for a halfway decent DT since they kicked Tank Johnson off the team. Amobi may not be top ten pick quality but he is halfway decent.

So that's kind of an apples & oranges comparison.

Anyway, all that said, my bottom line is:
if Wade thought he was good enough to take a peek at, that's good enough for me.
 
Vernon Gholston has a better chance of being in the starting lineup of a Taco Bell than he does starting for an NFL team.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Vernon Gholston has a better chance of being in the starting lineup of a Taco Bell than he does starting for an NFL team.
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I seriously doubt Wade brought any of those guys in because he was looking for a starter. We're good and set at starter.

Wade was most likely...
(a) looking for a quality player to upgrade our backups
or
(b) looking at who was out there in case (God forbid) one of the guys in our D-line rotation is out for an extended period.
 
Amobi's best performance was as a fundraiser. At least Gholston can LOOK like a badass.

Not defending Gholston....just wanted to make sure Okoye's reputation doesn't get smoothed over....
 
beerlover said:
Does anyone know if the Texans have signed any of the players they brought in to workout Tuesday?
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No moves as of yet, but Kubiak mentioned today that Chris Ogbannaya may be signed off of the practiced squad this week due to the thinning running back situation. I guess keeping all those backs wasn't a bad idea after all was it? I feel pretty bad for Bulman because he'll probably be waived again for the game and re-signed later if that's the case.
 
TimeKiller said:
Amobi's best performance was as a fundraiser. At least Gholston can LOOK like a badass.

Not defending Gholston....just wanted to make sure Okoye's reputation doesn't get smoothed over....
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To be fair Okoye wasn't a terrible player. He just way underperformed his draft spot and contract. If he had been a late rounder or udfa he would be a fan favourite.

Isn't it a matter of perspective.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
To be fair Okoye wasn't a terrible player. He just way underperformed his draft spot and contract. If he had been a late rounder or udfa he would be a fan favourite.

Isn't it a matter of perspective.
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It's a matter of the organization's perspective, as well. If Okoye had been a late rounder or UDFA, he wouldn't have lasted as long as he did or thrown into the starting lineup. 1st rounders get a longer leash. That's the way it is and always will be.
 
Lucky said:
It's a matter of the organization's perspective, as well. If Okoye had been a late rounder or UDFA, he wouldn't have lasted as long as he did or thrown into the starting lineup. 1st rounders get a longer leash. That's the way it is and always will be.
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I'm not so sure thats the way it always will be. Look at our 2nd rounders this year, previous years they'd have been thrown in, this year they haven't seen much of the field at all. I hope that isn't just down to the shortened pre-season, I hope that draft spot no longer plays a factor in how soon someone starts.

Now this year may not be the best indication of that, we have a new D, a shortened offseason, and JJ Watt is a beast.

I hope if someone like Okoye gets drafted again, and lets face it, every organisation makes mistakes, then he won't start until/unless he can prove he's ready.

Okoye is such a horrible example of this organisations past drafting, you draft a project in round 1, and THEN you start him from game 1?? That is poor, really poor. The guy didn't have a chance.

There is of course the nice idea that you sign Gholston up to a small contract and you get the #6 overall talent in return. But the chances are you get the bust AND lose the hard working blue collar guy with upside like Braman or whoever you cut. I'd stand pat myself. Keep teaching the guys you've got up cos they'll only improve as they get used to the system.
 
welsh texan said:
I'm not so sure thats the way it always will be. Look at our 2nd rounders this year, previous years they'd have been thrown in, this year they haven't seen much of the field at all. I hope that isn't just down to the shortened pre-season, I hope that draft spot no longer plays a factor in how soon someone starts.

Now this year may not be the best indication of that, we have a new D, a shortened offseason, and JJ Watt is a beast.

I hope if someone like Okoye gets drafted again, and lets face it, every organisation makes mistakes, then he won't start until/unless he can prove he's ready.

Okoye is such a horrible example of this organisations past drafting, you draft a project in round 1, and THEN you start him from game 1?? That is poor, really poor. The guy didn't have a chance.

There is of course the nice idea that you sign Gholston up to a small contract and you get the #6 overall talent in return. But the chances are you get the bust AND lose the hard working blue collar guy with upside like Braman or whoever you cut. I'd stand pat myself. Keep teaching the guys you've got up cos they'll only improve as they get used to the system.
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Our draft picks not being thrown in the fire is a direct result of having better talent on the team. We can actually let our younger players learn from the sidelines and selective substitution. That's how good teams do it. In previous yeras, we had no depth and draft picks were expected to produce from day one with no learning curve involved. That has been the bane of the Texans since David Carr. Once more, karma is a ******.
 
How often was there a better player on the bench behing Okoye?

If anything the issue is they didn't bring in a DT because they were invested in him.
 
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