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Texans workout former 1st rounder Gholston

The Texans worked out six free agents on Tuesday, including defensive end Vernon Gholston, a former first-round draft choice.

The Texans, who try out players every Tuesday, also tried out defensive end Keyunta Dawson and linebackers Antwan Applewhite, Alex Hall, David Vobora and Cyril Obiozor, the latter of whom played at Texas A&M.

http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/...-former-first-round-pick-Gholston-2180571.php

Is Antwan Applewhite, Major's brother ?

:vincepalm:
 
no runninbacks?

WTF?

I guess we're going with Tate & Slaton... for the Saints.
 
I was wondering if the Texans would try him out. If they can get him cheap, maybe Wade can do something with him.
 
Why do you want them to sign him???? Just wondering

He looks like a gorilla, at 260 he could stand to gain some weight but DE depth is....Jamison and....Bulman? Yikes. Banking on a lot of health in the trenches. With his size/freak athleticism you just wonder what it is that keeps him off of rosters, I guess they figured that out today.
 
There's always an urge among casual fans to sign a free agent who was previously a high draft choice.

Gholston was taken 6th overall. That's freaking high! Even I was initially urged to say SIGN HIM!!

But look at his history. Look at why the Jets cut him and nobody picked him up. Look at the fact that he recorded ZERO sacks in three years.

He's a bust. Plain and simple.
 
I was wondering if the Texans would try him out. If they can get him cheap, maybe Wade can do something with him.

Same here.

Sometimes, when you catch a guy who is sniffing a career of working the local used car lot, it wakes him up and he goes bonkers for your team.

Maybe this can be one of those situations. Maybe other coaches have not been as insightful in how to use the guy.

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There's always an urge among casual fans to sign a free agent who was previously a high draft choice.

Gholston was taken 6th overall. That's freaking high! Even I was initially urged to say SIGN HIM!!

But look at his history. Look at why the Jets cut him and nobody picked him up. Look at the fact that he recorded ZERO sacks in three years.

He's a bust. Plain and simple.

You're missing the point.... Try him out as a "bit" player, NOT as a first round draft choice... More like a Sean Cody. Someone that could potentiely contribute...
 
You're missing the point.... Try him out as a "bit" player, NOT as a first round draft choice... More like a Sean Cody. Someone that could potentiely contribute...

If Wade thinks he can use him, that's fine by me.

But I think it's pretty telling that a former 6th overall pick still hasn't been picked up by 31 other teams to be used as a bit player.
 
If you guys are going to defend the David Anderson re-acquisition (a guy who hasn't had a TD in 3 years) then why the "hate" for Gholston?

Hell, I bet Gholston could catch the ball and get more YAC than DA can. Ouch.
 
I think Mark Anderson worked out pretty well, similar situation.

He looks like he would be a mean OLB opposite Mario.
 
I think Mark Anderson worked out pretty well, similar situation.

He looks like he would be a mean OLB opposite Mario.
 
If you guys are going to defend the David Anderson re-acquisition (a guy who hasn't had a TD in 3 years) then why the "hate" for Gholston?

Hell, I bet Gholston could catch the ball and get more YAC than DA can. Ouch.

1.) Because it sounds like he has major issues between the ears. Like it or not, talent doesn't mean **** if you can't fit into what your boss wants you to do. That goes for any profession, including NFL football player.

2.) Gholston made NINE plays in three years. NINE. PLAYS. I'm sticking with the midget white kid with no dance moves and a ton less physical ability.
 
Bears and Jets have cut Gholston and here is an interesting article I read some time ago. Tried to copy a paragraph but could not, but if interested in this player you should read entire article.

Great find. Here you go:




Current Chicago Bears and former New York Jets defensive end Vernon Gholston(notes) wasn't content with having a bad enough day after the New York Giants beat the Bears in a 41-13 thrashing. After the game, Gholston had a few pops for Jets head coach Rex Ryan, a man whom Gholston believes never gave him a fair shake.

"I heard how he was perceiving me before the [2008] draft, before he knew me, and I was the same way -- I wasn't hoping for him to be [my] first coach of the Jets when I was there, either," Gholston said.

Selected sixth overall in the 2008 NFL draft out of Ohio State in the Jets' pre-Ryan administration, Gholston has been one of the biggest draft busts in recent NFL history; he has never recorded a sack in his NFL career, he has just five starts in three seasons, and according to Football Outsiders' metrics, he was involved in just nine total defensive plays last season. That's not per-snap participation, mind you — that's the number of plays in 2010 in which Gholston actually made any sort of impact. Nine.

Add in the fact that Gholston was inactive for all three of the Jets' postseason games in the 2010 season, and it was not a surprise that the Jets released him in early March. Gholston signed with the Bears in late July.

And according to Gholston, that series of moves was more about Ryan failing to see his talent than anything else.

Saying that his departure from the Jets was a "needed move," Gholston sounded quite entitled when discussing his status under Ryan. "Being a first-round pick, you would have hoped for more [of a chance]," he said. "Rex made a comment to me when he first came in that he thought I wasn't liked by the guys on the team, then once he got there he saw that wasn't the case. Those perceptions kind of determine the outcome, and it's sad to say.

"Teams are always looking for talent, and to say I don't have talent is a far stretch," he continued. "It's all about getting a fair shot and time in the system. With the Jets, it was constant position change and coaching change. There was no stability. I never really had that with the Jets."

Hmm. Well, that's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that Gholston came out of Ohio State as a freakish athlete and a very underdeveloped football player. He never got the hang of the NFL, and while it's true of some players that they need a better scheme fit for their talents before they can turn it on, it's the rare player who washes out in a Rex Ryan defense and goes on to succeed elsewhere.

Gholston's more personal comments about Ryan are another matter, because Ryan had put a lot of thought into the player's future when he took the Jets' head-coaching position before the 2010 season. From his May 2011 book, Play Like You Mean It:

It's like how I've been dealing with Vernon Gholston … people were thinking it would be easy for me to get rid of him. Truth be told, I didn't like the kid coming out of college. He's a good athlete and a smart guy, but I thought he was a phony. We had him come to Baltimore, and I just didn't believe in him. I even told [former Jets coach Eric] Mangini not to draft him. Well, suddenly he was on my team, and I was going to have to work with him. I was not just going to give up on him — that's too easy. I thought, "He's one of my guys now, and I'll be damned if he's going to feel like that. He's going to know that I'm in his corner and I'm trying like hell to get him to play better."

I want him to see everything I'm about, so all those pictures I painted of him in 2008 — you know what I'm going to do? The same thing I did with the paint over the window in my office. I'm taking it down.

Ryan also talked about improving the on-field environment for Gholston:

Two guys I dumped in a hurry were tight end Chris Baker and linebacker Eric Barton(notes) … [Barton's] idea of trying to motivate Vernon Gholston was to rip the guy, yelling at him all the time that he wasn't giving enough effort, that he wasn't playing hard, that he wasn't measuring up. That's not showing respect. Those guys never respected the guys they played with.

Whatever you may or may not like about Rex Ryan, there is one absolutely true thing about the man. He connects with his players — indeed, any players — in a rare fashion. I remember hearing at the 2010 scouting combine that several of the draft prospects were asked which NFL coach they'd most like to play for … and Ryan won in a landslide. In addition, you have to look at Ryan's particular genius for extracting the best out of defensive players with his complex and aggressive schemes.

If Gholston didn't buy what Ryan was selling, he was in the minority — that's pretty clear. If he couldn't make it there, can he make it anywhere?
 
no runninbacks?

WTF?

I guess we're going with Tate & Slaton... for the Saints.

A. What have the Texans said or done to this point that makes you think Smith and Kubiak don't believe Foster is still a viable possibility for Sunday?

B. Who's out there on the street that you believe would be a better option than Ogbonnaya for a game five days from now?
 
If you guys are going to defend the David Anderson re-acquisition (a guy who hasn't had a TD in 3 years) then why the "hate" for Gholston?

Hell, I bet Gholston could catch the ball and get more YAC than DA can. Ouch.

Yeah but when he does score IT'S ON LIKE DONKEY KONG BABY!!!!! He brought the string dance back, I mean the string dance!!!!!!!!
 
The Bears kept Okoye over Gholston. I don't know the depth situation for their respective situations, but the fact is somewhat telling. I expect nothing out of the guy, but If I had to choose between signing him or not, I say we give him a shot anyways.
 
I think Mark Anderson worked out pretty well, similar situation.

He looks like he would be a mean OLB opposite Mario.

The only thing that's similar is both players were acquired off the street, however production wise there is no comparison. Mark Anderson already had 20+ career sacks (and a 12 sack season) before he ever came to Houston.


Don't mind them kicking the tires though. It's called doing their due diligence and I want them to do that, even if I'm expecting nothing from this acquisition.

A better comparison for this would be like when Houston kicked the tires on Michael Boulware who was another NFL bust.
 
Guys, I have followed the Jets pretty close the last 3 years and trust me we DO NOT want this guy. Rex Ryan gave him every chance to succeed even saying he thought he would be a beast before Ryan's first year. He didn't make an impact so he moved to DE in their 3-4 where he played 5 technique. He was just as bad in that role. Ryan thought playing him in that role would basically allow Gholston to just use his strength to take on blocks, but he still wasn't close to being serviceable in that system.

The guy who intrigues me on that list is Antwan Applewhite. Most Charger fans will tell you that they thought he had starter ability in San Diego. He really just got lost in the shuffle behind some other players, but he's an awesome special teams player and probably a much better player than Braman at this point in their career. Would I cut Braman for him? No, but he knows the 3-4 defense and could contribute somewhere if called on from day 1.
 
Like I said earlier, it doesn't hurt to give the guy a workout. Wade Phillips has a reputation for being a players coach and getting the best out of them, also. It may turn out that the guy is just a combine freak, but he had a pretty good college career. LINK
Vernon Gholston is a remarkable talent, but he's only just begun realizing his vast potential.
He never picked up a football until his sophomore year in high school and had just one season of defensive experience as a linebacker before being converted to defensive end when he arrived at Ohio State.
Blessed with incredible speed (clocked at 4.56 in the 40-yard dash), long limbs and superb strength, Gholston is the prototype pass rusher that professional teams look for -- big, fast, strong and explosive. An avid performer in the weight room, he boasted the best bench press on the team at 455 pounds. He also put on an impressive performance for teammates, squatting 405 pounds 20 times.

How Gholston was lured into football will one day make a nice story, if he becomes the legendary pass rusher many personnel experts are predicting. Walking in the halls of Cass Technical High School, football coach Thomas Wilcher spotted the 14-year-old strapping youngster, who stood 6-3, 240 pounds at the time. He convinced the player to join the football team.

Gholston was too big to play in Detroit's Police Athletic League and the elementary public schools did not offer an organized football program. From the first time he ever stepped on the field, the coaching staff knew they had a natural talent.

As a sophomore at Cass Tech, Gholston was first tried at linebacker, but he was overwhelmed by the plays he needed to know to play that position. One of the offensive coaches "stole" the youngster away from the defensive squad and had him play offensive guard as a sophomore. His junior campaign was limited by ankle sprains, which forced him to stay on the offensive line and scrap plans to also play linebacker.

By his senior season, he had already earned All-State honors as an offensive lineman and gained experience playing linebacker for the first time in his career. In just one season on defense, he was regarded as one of the best linebackers in the Midwest region. He would go on to record 75 tackles with six sacks in his final season, as Rivals.com rated him the 11th-best defensive end prospect in the nation and the 12th-best overall prospect in the state of Michigan.

Gholston enrolled at Ohio State, becoming the only player from Michigan on the squad. He turned down scholarship offers from Michigan, Michigan State and Iowa to join the Buckeyes. The coaching staff immediately began giving him a crash course in playing the "Leo" position, which incorporates dropping into pass coverage and rushing the passer from either side of the field.

He mentored under Mike Kudla his first year with the team, appearing in six games as a true freshman in 2004, but did not record a tackle. In 2005, a broken hand suffered in the second game vs. Texas earned Gholston a medical hardship. He had one tackle in that game and spent the rest of the year on the sideline.

Gholston used that time wisely in the weight room, bulking up from 238 to 264 pounds, as he took over "Leo" duties in 2006. He garnered All-Big Ten Conference second-team honors, as he ranked fourth in the league with 15 stops for losses of 86 yards and was fifth in the Big Ten with 8.5 sacks. He added a quarterback pressure with two pass breakups and an interception. He also finished sixth on the squad with 49 tackles (21 solo).

In 2007, Gholston earned All-American recognition and was a finalist for the Ted Hendricks Award, given to the nation's top defensive end. He posted 37 tackles (25 solo) and was a terror in the backfield, ranking eighth in the nation with 15.5 stops behind the line of scrimmage and second nationally with 14 sacks. He also scooped up a fumble and returned it for a 25-yard touchdown.

In 34 games at Ohio State, Gholston started 25 times. He registered 87 tackles (47 solo) with 22.5 sacks for minus-184 yards and 30.5 stops for losses of 199 yards. He had two pass deflections and an eight-yard interception return, as he also recovered a fumble that he returned 25 yards for a touchdown
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I'm not necessarily for signing him, but if Phillips thinks he can use him, I'm good with it. DE or OLB, though? The guy has the speed and athleticism to be a good 3-4 OLB.
 
The thing about Gholston is his speed and athleticism doesn't translate to the field at the NFL level. Combine numbers have gotten plenty of scouts and GM's their walking papers in the past.
 
Just another in a long list of first round DL who can't play in the NFL.

I like that they're "shaking the bushes" for talent, though.
 
The thing about Gholston is his speed and athleticism doesn't translate to the field at the NFL level. Combine numbers have gotten plenty of scouts and GM's their walking papers in the past.
That's very true. Players can turn their careers around, though. He might benefit from being in the type of atmosphere the Texans have. Who knows?
 
He looks like a gorilla, at 260 he could stand to gain some weight but DE depth is....Jamison and....Bulman? Yikes. Banking on a lot of health in the trenches. With his size/freak athleticism you just wonder what it is that keeps him off of rosters, I guess they figured that out today.

Looks like a gorilla but played like Jane. I think Rex wouldve used him if he could play. It could be a cheap gamble with no risk I guess.
 
That's very true. Players can turn their careers around, though. He might benefit from being in the type of atmosphere the Texans have. Who knows?

The problem with that is he hasn't shown the ability to beat out Undrafted players in other places before. So who do you cut for him? I wouldn't cut our waterboy for this guy. I've seen him play quite a few times with the Jets and the guy just didn't look like he wanted to play football. I'll take Braman over him every day of the week.
 
The problem with that is he hasn't shown the ability to beat out Undrafted players in other places before. So who do you cut for him?

You cut no one and keep him in the back of your mind if a need arises, which hopefully won't.
 
The problem with that is he hasn't shown the ability to beat out Undrafted players in other places before. So who do you cut for him? I wouldn't cut our waterboy for this guy. I've seen him play quite a few times with the Jets and the guy just didn't look like he wanted to play football. I'll take Braman over him every day of the week.
I'll take Braman over him, too. I don't even know that I would sign him. That's what they pay Wade for. He does take my opinions into consideration, though. :jam::jam:
 
I haven't seen him play a lot, but it seems like he'd make a good MLB in this defense.

That would be his 3rd position change in 3 years. May as well try him out for DT too right? We need one of those too. Come on now, I'm all for giving guys an opportunity who can play but this guy can't. Mo Wilkerson who is the 1st round draft pick for the Jets has already surpassed "the Ghost" in his 2nd game with a grand total of 1 sacks. Its a reason he's known as "the Ghost". The guy is no where to be found around the ball. I remember 1 game in the preseason last year when the announcers got excited about a QB hurry? Really? And this is the guy some of us want.
 
He's a bust. This is the kind of thread that probably popped up in Carolina when they signed Carr. We can fix him, team X didn't know what they were doing, he has all the tools. Bust.
 
I'll take Braman over him, too. I don't even know that I would sign him. That's what they pay Wade for. He does take my opinions into consideration, though. :jam::jam:


Haha, Well then recommend Applewhite if we do need a LB replacement. He has played inside and outside in this defense with the Chargers. Much better option if we need a fill in replacement.
 
The only thing of interest of out that article is the Texans may be looking to turn the bottom of their LB (both ILB and OLB) depth chart since they worked 5 or so.

Outside of that lots of people getting excited because they recognize a name on these Tuesday workouts. Hoenstly, any of these guys playing (even if signed) most likely means there have been multiple injures in the LB corp which does not excite me in one bit.
 
The only thing of interest of out that article is the Texans may be looking to turn the bottom of their LB (both ILB and OLB) depth chart since they worked 5 or so.

Outside of that lots of people getting excited because they recognize a name on these Tuesday workouts. Hoenstly, any of these guys playing (even if signed) most likely means there have been multiple injures in the LB corp which does not excite me in one bit.

I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm hoping that Demeco isn't more hurt than they're letting on. Applewhite fits better as an OLB, but I can see him playing inside as well. I'm honestly not too familiar with the other guys besides him and Gholston.
 
Vernon sux, is a first round bust, and will never amount to CRAP!

signed,

Jason Babin

Not really. Jason Babin was always pretty decent when allowed to play his natural position. We were the ones who failed when we tried to make him a OLBer.

Jason Babin could rush the passer with his hand in the dirt.
 
Keyunta Dawson is a local kid, went undrafted even though Texans brought him in twice pre-draft that year leading my speculation Texans would draft him. Instead the Colts picked him up & he made their 53 man roster filling in for Freeney when injured & even got a sack or two against Schaub. He might be an excellent fit OLB, I'll trust Wade to finally make him their guy :texanbill:
 
Keyunta Dawson is a local kid, went undrafted even though Texans brought him in twice pre-draft that year leading my speculation Texans would draft him. Instead the Colts picked him up & he made their 53 man roster filling in for Freeney when injured & even got a sack or two against Schaub. He might be an excellent fit OLB, I'll trust Wade to finally make him their guy :texanbill:

Yeah, I don't really remember seeing him at all but he did start 20 games for the Colts. The downside? He recorded 1 sack. If he can't rush the passer on the edge then I'd pass on him as well.
 
Yeah, I don't really remember seeing him at all but he did start 20 games for the Colts. The downside? He recorded 1 sack. If he can't rush the passer on the edge then I'd pass on him as well.

Key Dawson played up here at Tech and when he went to the Colts they played him inside for most of his tenure there
 
Just another in a long list of first round DL who can't play in the NFL.

I like that they're "shaking the bushes" for talent, though.

I just hope we're doing the same thing for the O-line....
"Beating the bushes" for quality backups, I mean
 
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