Texans working out RB, Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech

[infantrycak]

I agree to an extent although i didn't quite understand what you meant by the bold.

What I mean by that is if you want to figure out a coach or front offices habits in making 1st day draft choices and attempting to find starters you look at who they have drafted on the 1st day and who they have picked as starters. You don't look at guys specifically brought in to be backups like Dayne and Brown

220 is fastly becoming the old cutoff. If you weigh that much now they think you're a little too big unless you run a 4.4. the new cutoff is fastly becoming 218 lbs.

Did you really just make a 2 lb distinction?

And I'm talking about guys who already have the weight or have the frame to carry that bulk needed without losing anything. At least a legit 215 guy that when you look at them, you can see it or see they have the frame for it. Example, Slaton is listed at 215, but once he starts playing he'll drop back down to his 205-7 range. It was one of the main knocks on bush when he came out.

Slaton specifically bulked up last year and I don't think he dropped much during the season but he may not choose to come back that heavy this year. But I understand the frame point. I do think teams are concerned about under 200 lb RBs. Bush was 195 lb coming out of USC and 200 or thereabouts at the combine. Spiller is going to be the 1st RB picked and is in that same size range.

Fact is fans trying to figure out what coaches think and pattern it often lose the picture that what matters is who is available both in that position and in others. Things have to line up just right. Like the DeAngelo trade that never happened. Kind of debunks the "will never draft a RB in the 1st" characterization that gets thrown around. Or say the Texans pass on Spiller because he sucks in pass protection and take Mathews based on film. Fans will say it was because they were looking for a bigger RB. Only a tiny amount of information slips out of the black box that is an NFL franchise.

 

[bckey]

Kind of debunks the "will never draft a RB in the 1st" characterization that gets thrown around.

You keep bringing this DeAngelo Williams trade up that never happened as proof Kubiak is willing to draft a rb in the 1st round. In the end it didn't happen possibly because Kubiak didn't think rb was valuable enough to move up 6 or 7 spots from the 2nd round 1st pick back into the 1st round at 27 or even 26 to get ahead of Carolina. Houston definately had the power to do it because that year they had the 1st two picks of the 3rd round. Heck, it could have even been a smokescreen just to appease fans and media that thought Reggie Bush (RB) should have been taken 1st overall by saying they tried to get the rb they wanted but ultimately were beaten out by Carolina. The fact is we don't know. But we do know that Kubiak has never taken a rb in the first round. So until that changes fans will continue to say Kubiak never takes a rb in the 1st round.

As a side note I would love to see Mathews in a Texans uniform. I think he would be a fantastic fit for the Texans. Don't count out San Diego moving up to get him either. If the Texans put out a good enough smokescreen about their love for Mathews then we just might see the Chargers move up to knab him. They have the power to move up as high as the 13th pick to jump ahead of Seattle or even Atlanta at 19 (just ahead of Houston) who doesn't have a 2nd round pick.

 

[Ole Miss Texan]

You keep bringing this DeAngelo Williams trade up that never happened as proof Kubiak is willing to draft a rb in the 1st round. In the end it didn't happen possibly because Kubiak didn't think rb was valuable enough to move up 6 or 7 spots from the 2nd round 1st pick back into the 1st round at 27 or even 26 to get ahead of Carolina. Houston definately had the power to do it because that year they had the 1st two picks of the 3rd round. Heck, it could have even been a smokescreen just to appease fans and media that thought Reggie Bush (RB) should have been taken 1st overall by saying they tried to get the rb they wanted but ultimately were beaten out by Carolina. The fact is we don't know. But we do know that Kubiak has never taken a rb in the first round. So until that changes fans will continue to say Kubiak never takes a rb in the 1st round.

It wasn't really reported until well after the fact and I'd say 95% of the fanbase still doesn't know about this. And Kubiak seems too straight forward to really care about appeasing the fanbase this way. Whether it happened or not isn't the point. Let's put it this way: bckey and ole miss texan go to lunch once a week on a regular basis. bckey always orders a turkey, roast beef or chicken sandwich; NEVER a ham sandwich. Finally one day at the deli, bckey tells the waitress "I will have a ham sandwich, that's what I need today." the waitress responds, "sorry, ole miss texan just ordered the last of the ham." you still didn't order or get the ham sandwich but you proved that you were willing to order one. Just like Kubiak trying to trade up proved he would be willing to take a RB in the "first round" if he thought that was of value.

As a side note I would love to see Mathews in a Texans uniform. I think he would be a fantastic fit for the Texans. Don't count out San Diego moving up to get him either. If the Texans put out a good enough smokescreen about their love for Mathews then we just might see the Chargers move up to knab him. They have the power to move up as high as the 13th pick to jump ahead of Seattle or even Atlanta at 19 (just ahead of Houston) who doesn't have a 2nd round pick.

That's a really good point about SD possibly moving up if they really really like Matthews. The way this draft is set up, it wouldn't surprise me if a few teams would be willing to trade down with them and get better value on a guy at 26.

 

[infantrycak]

You keep bringing this DeAngelo Williams trade up that never happened as proof Kubiak is willing to draft a rb in the 1st round. In the end it didn't happen possibly because Kubiak didn't think rb was valuable enough to move up 6 or 7 spots from the 2nd round 1st pick back into the 1st round at 27 or even 26 to get ahead of Carolina. Houston definately had the power to do it because that year they had the 1st two picks of the 3rd round. Heck, it could have even been a smokescreen just to appease fans and media that thought Reggie Bush (RB) should have been taken 1st overall by saying they tried to get the rb they wanted but ultimately were beaten out by Carolina. The fact is we don't know. But we do know that Kubiak has never taken a rb in the first round. So until that changes fans will continue to say Kubiak never takes a rb in the 1st round.

Whatever, all that counts for whether he is willing draft a RB in the 1st is the attempt to do so and he did. It's well documented the Texans offered their 2nd and 4th round picks and got outbid with an offer of 2nd and 3rd round picks. And let's just see if they made a legitimate offer:

26 - 700 pts

Texans
33 - 580 pts
98 - 112 pts Total 692 pts

Bills
42 - 480 pts
73 - 225 pts Total 705 pts

They took a real shot at it.

 

[beerlover]

Whatever, all that counts for whether he is willing draft a RB in the 1st is the attempt to do so and he did. It's well documented the Texans offered their 2nd and 4th round picks and got outbid with an offer of 2nd and 3rd round picks. And let's just see if they made a legitimate offer:

26 - 700 pts

Texans
33 - 580 pts
98 - 112 pts Total 692 pts

Bills
42 - 480 pts
73 - 225 pts Total 705 pts

They took a real shot at it.

no reflection on DeAngelo but those picks turned into DeMeco Ryans & Owen Daniels so we can all be happy they failed. While Buffalo picks netted Danieal Manning & Dusty Dvoracek.

un-related but I really like sitting earlier rather than latter in 2nd rd. because you can still find 1st rd. talent. this is why my buzz word in a deep class with several possiblities that could help improve Texans is "trade down" the receipe is simple - a late 1st combined with earlier 2nd & throw-in 3rd. this is how the Texans can gain on the field while still off it. translates into TWO IMPACT players & two more with a 50% possiblity.

 

[infantrycak]

no reflection on DeAngelo but those picks turned into DeMeco Ryans & Owen Daniels so we can all be happy they failed. While Buffalo picks netted Danieal Manning & Dusty Dvoracek.

And the Bills got John McCargo who has started 1 game in four years. DeAngelo would be a nice addition but I sure am glad the trade didn't go through.

 

[playa465]

Let's put it this way: bckey and ole miss texan go to lunch once a week on a regular basis. bckey always orders a turkey, roast beef or chicken sandwich; NEVER a ham sandwich. Finally one day at the deli, bckey tells the waitress "I will have a ham sandwich, that's what I need today." the waitress responds, "sorry, ole miss texan just ordered the last of the ham." you still didn't order or get the ham sandwich but you proved that you were willing to order one. Just like Kubiak trying to trade up proved he would be willing to take a RB in the "first round" if he thought that was of value.

That's a horrible example but I'll take the roast beef sandwich

That's a really good point about SD possibly moving up if they really really like Matthews. The way this draft is set up, it wouldn't surprise me if a few teams would be willing to trade down with them and get better value on a guy at 26.

Do you think San Diego will make a play for Mathews by trading up since they now have a high 2nd rd pick to play with? I see a lot of message board talk about San Diego wanting a RB to replace Tomlinson, but I just don't see Norv Turner placing the running game high on his priority list. With that high 2nd I would hold tight, just my opinion.

Whatever, all that counts for whether he is willing draft a RB in the 1st is the attempt to do so and he did. It's well documented the Texans offered their 2nd and 4th round picks and got outbid with an offer of 2nd and 3rd round picks.

I only saw this on message boards and blogs...are there news articles that support this, not that it matters now but just asking

un-related but I really like sitting earlier rather than latter in 2nd rd. because you can still find 1st rd. talent. this is why my buzz word in a deep class with several possiblities that could help improve Texans is "trade down" the receipe is simple - a late 1st combined with earlier 2nd & throw-in 3rd. this is how the Texans can gain on the field while still off it. translates into TWO IMPACT players & two more with a 50% possiblity.

This is the same reason why I don't think teams are going to be trading up...the draft seems to be deep with not much difference in players rated 2-5 in their respective positons