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Texans vs. Eagles . . First impressions

Vinny said:
I wasn't impressed with his game. I thought he was picked on over and over. They were converting 3rd downs at will and Sanders didn't have the speed to play close to Stallworth and take away the short pass.
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I didn't think Sanders was stellar by any means, but I thought he had a solid performance. His quick recovery on 3rd down of Philly's first series almost ended up in a pick, and he almost intercepted what would have otherwise been a sure TD later by stepping in front of a receiver on a long pass at the goal line. Dunta played better than Sanders overall but Sanders level of coverage was very comparable to Dunta on the majority of plays. He's no long term solution, but he can start for us for the time being without being too much of a liability, IMO. I thought the pass rush was more at fault than the secondary for much of our woes in defending the Eagles pass.
 
I thought he was awful for the most part. He had to give Stallworth too much room since he can't run with him and they exploited that over and over imo.
 
HeartofHouston said:
Our running game was a train wreck!
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Double Barrel said:
Our running game was pathetic, at best. Just goes to show why pre-season is fool's gold. I thought the ground game was possibly going to be one of our strengths.
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oso said:
...a porous OL (this time around, they couldn't even open holes - what gives? they usually could at least run the ball...
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What gives? Well, we cut one of the best run blockers this team has had (in regular season games that count). Interesting move for a run oriented team.

But don't worry - Salaam has played for Kubiak before.
 
Runner said:
What gives? Well, we cut one of the best run blockers this team has had (in regular season games that count). Interesting move for a run oriented team.

But don't worry - Salaam has played for Kubiak before.
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Kinda ironic we ran well in the preseason behind Wand huh?
 
Vinny said:
Kinda ironic we ran well in the preseason behind Wand huh?
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I didn't say that name!

But yes, it is. We ran very well to the left in 2004 too.

Maybe I'm just biased, but if #78 had the same game as #77 did today the board would be lighting him up nit-picking every play.
 
lets see we use the number one pick in the draft this yr. used first round pick last yr both on defensive tackles our big free agent signing was a d lineman and this is what we get hmmmmmm...... somethings not right. but hey the important thing is that mario williams is 6'7 300 pounds and has a 40 inch vertical leap who cares if the guy actually makes plays on the field when his stats are so impressive in workouts.what d lineman will we pick next yr in the first round im sure we will pass on adrian peterson for a d lineman who puts up the most reps on the bench press at the combine
 
Vinny said:
I wasn't impressed with his game. I thought he was picked on over and over. They were converting 3rd downs at will and Sanders didn't have the speed to play close to Stallworth and take away the short pass.
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Not many players have the speed. Stallworth is probably one of the 5-10 fastest players in the NFL.

I think we all realize Sanders is at best a nickel back posing as a starter, but then again so was Faggins, IMO. What I have been kind of wondering is - where was the safety help on the deep throws to Stallworth? I haven't reviewed my Tivo yet and it's tough to catch everything in person, so I'm asking for perspective.
 
It looked like they were boxing Westbrook and LJ with a DeMeco inside and a S or Orr outside when they went to the flat....This left Sanders with Stallworth giving too much cushion most of the time to stop the shorter routes...off the top of my head. They ran that little in route well and McNabb was sharp. I told Infantrycak they would take advantage of this box in the second half and go the other way. McNabb made some nice throws in the second half.
 
The reality is....

The Texans looked outstanding in the first quarter, why?

Because the plays were scripted, which means rehearsed. So they played as though they were a fine tuned offense.

Which in counter, is the eagles. They obviously have a better team due to all of the veterans running around and team cohesion.

I underrated Mcnabb, I forgot how good he really is. And Stallworth definitiely helps them a lot. But a healthy Mcnabb and a fine tuned offense like the eagles has to spell trouble for the Texans.

I think its more that The Eagles are going to have a much better go this season. Hopfully, they will go 10-0 to open it up! Then I would not feel so bad.

For The Texans.... just more time together, they will get better...even though this is becoming a cliche.
 
Porky said:
Was Westbrook a difference maker for Philly today? Did you see the way they used him? That's what Bush would have done for us. Comparing Bush to the way we used our convential RB's tells me you don't understand that their our differences among players, and how they are used.
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Dude. Who cares?

IF Domanick was healthy, he would have run for 223 yards on the Iggles in this one game and we would have dominated them 45-0... or not. IF we'd have drafted Reggie Bush and he'd played in this game, he would have rushed for -3 yards and not caught a pass. IF we'd have drafted Reggie Bush and he'd played in this game, he would have torn his hamstring. IF we'd have drafted Reggie Bush, he would still be holding out. IF we'd have drafted Reggie Bush, he would have run for 100 yards and caught another 100. It's easy to make up stuff about what Bush would have or could have done. He didn't and he won't. Because he's not here.

IF we'd traded down, we could have gotten Jay Cutler and traded DD to the Giants for Umenyura and traded Carr to the Raiders for Lamont Jordan. Then we would be SB contenders.

IF the Germans had won WWII, we'd be playing soccer now.

IF....

Think about this. If Barry Sanders had gone to a different team with a different scheme and different coaches, we might not even know who he is today. Used properly, he might have propelled the right team to a bunch of Super Bowl victories. OJ Simpson was a total bust his first couple of years because he went to a team that didn't use him right. He didn't get successful until the right coach with the right scheme came in (and even then he never won a championship.) Players don't succeed or fail because of who they are or how talented they are. They succeed or fail by being in the right/wrong place at the right/wrong time with the right/wrong people. If Bush is successful in New Orleans that doesn't mean that he would have been successful here. Conversely, if Bush is a bust in New Orleans, he might have been a huge success here. To sit around and theorize and agonize over past draft choices is just mental masturbation. Let it go and move on already.
 
Porky said:
Was Westbrook a difference maker for Philly today? Did you see the way they used him? That's what Bush would have done for us. Comparing Bush to the way we used our convential RB's tells me you don't understand that their our differences among players, and how they are used.
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so we would be running a different scheme if we would of drafted bush?
 
I said I would be back, and I am. I wont be doing any gloating or anything like that though. Just want to insert my thoughts into one of the threads, and this appears to be the best one for that.


1. David Carr looked a lot better than I had expected. Even after getting hit pretty well, he hopped right back up, and got a few first downs. He looked like an NFL quarterback. He just didnt have the supporting cast to get it done.

2. It saddens me to say, but Wally Lundy looked like crap. I was in a way hoping for more from him, being as he grew up 5 minutes from me. But, he was almost a no show. Granted, the blocking wasnt great, but he didnt make anyone miss.

3. You took Westbrook for granted. Philly fans told you how much of a weapon he was...but I dont think the coaching staff listened. He is a dangerous player from every position on the field.

4. It was actually a more entertaining game than the score indicates. That was one of the best games Ive seen in a while...but then again, that was the first time Ive seen McNabb play in a long time. And he is a true gamer. You can never count him out.

5. Anyone who predicted the Texans to have less than 7 wins is going to look like an imbecile. They looked like a 8 or 9 win team to me yesterday, but they were playing what I consider a very strong opponent.

It was a fun couple of weeks Texans fans. I had a good time hanging out over here. Sadly, we wont be playing again for 4 years. I will be back rooting for you when youre playing NFC East teams though, so good luck. Hope you all have a good and fun season.
 
PhillyFan said:
5. Anyone who predicted the Texans to have less than 7 wins is going to look like an imbecile. They looked like a 8 or 9 win team to me yesterday, but they were playing what I consider a very strong opponent.
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Ok, we really don't need your pity. But that's very nice of you.
But the Eagles are certainly a very good team and should go deep into the
playoffs this year and perhaps beyond.
I'm curious, does your team have a weakness ?
 
nunusguy said:
Ok, we really don't need your pity. But that's very nice of you.
But the Eagles are certainly a very good team and should go deep into the
playoffs this year and perhaps beyond.
I'm curious, does your team have a weakness ?
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I think its the truth.

Now, if Kubiak could just script every play of every game, you guys would go undefeated.

Im not sure why he backed off of what worked...but he shouldnt have.
 
I swear that Andy Reid turned to someone on the sidelines and said "watch this" before the play. He knew Brown would bite.
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I saw the exact same thing. I posted about it in the game thread during the game yesterday. In fact, he said it twice.

Philadelphia looked like a very good team with no glaring weaknesses. Hat's off to them. It's nice to come on here and talk about Carr's possible evolution into a decent NFL QB. Now if we can get our putting down to go with our driving, we may turn into a pretty good team.

Nice game Carr, AJ, Moulds, Demeco (edited to add TJ)

Come on Mario and the whole Dline, Wali and Vernand (running and pass pro), and last but not least, the O line
 
Chance_C said:
I saw the exact same thing. I posted about it in the game thread during the game yesterday. In fact, he said it twice.

Philadelphia looked like a very good team with no glaring weaknesses. Hat's off to them. It's nice to come on here and talk about Carr's possible evolution into a decent NFL QB. Now if we can get our putting down to go with our driving, we may turn into a pretty good team.

Nice game Carr, AJ, Moulds, Demeco

Come on Mario and the whole Dline, Wali and Vernand (running and pass pro), and last but not least, the O line
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And he was smiling while he said it.

It isnt often that you see him smile...let alone be cocky :p
 
Porky said:
Was Westbrook a difference maker for Philly today? Did you see the way they used him? That's what Bush would have done for us. Comparing Bush to the way we used our convential RB's tells me you don't understand that their our differences among players, and how they are used.
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...And if we were to trade Wali Lundy for Brian Westbrook and play the game again, we'd still get beat by double-digits!

Once again, we were beat badly up front on both sides of the ball. I don't freakin' care about Reggie Bush. I want to see our lines play better!
 
Vinny said:
I thought he was awful for the most part. He had to give Stallworth too much room since he can't run with him and they exploited that over and over imo.
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I agree. It seemed we decided to take Reggie Brown away for the most part by putting Drob on him. But Sanders coudlnt contain Stallworth, so we switched before the half and Brown end up with the TD...Sanders wasnt put into a position to suceed, but he didnt help himself by droping those two that hit him in the hands.
 
Vinny said:
I wasn't impressed with his game. I thought he was picked on over and over. They were converting 3rd downs at will and Sanders didn't have the speed to play close to Stallworth and take away the short pass.
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Which is why we really need Buchanan to pull his head out of his arse and be a starter for us. Not sure where he was supposed to factor in since I believe he came out with an injury.
 
My thoughts on the game are two things:

1. The defense had no answer for McNabb's short yardage throws --- McNabb and his receivers put on a clinic. It looked like the Texans were consistently only rushing the down 4 lineman and McNabb threw to the sticks with consistency. Really didn't see the Texans blitz.

2. David Carr had a good game in spurts and the play calling seemed a little off --- David gets these blitz packages because defensive coordinators are going to make David prove himself that he can burn them with the pass. Also, I think the playcalling on third down, particulary in the first part of the game did not do Carr any favors. On 3-10, Carr should be proving himself by throwing the ball downfield, not a running play to Lundy.

The defense is going to have to get aggressive, but the offense needs to put together long consistent drives during the game.

I see this loss more as a coaching issue than the players. I think Kubiak's offensive game plan was too conservative. Carr put up good numbers but it didn't seem like Kubiak made good offensive play calls to give Carr full opportunity to prove himself.

If Kubiak keeps calling the offense like he did on Sunday, defenses are going to continue to stack the line against the run and keep the exotic blitzs coming. I saw this game offensively as Kubiak holding Carr back because of conservative offensive play calling.
 
hollywood_texan said:
If Kubiak keeps calling the offense like he did on Sunday, defenses are going to continue to stack the line against the run and keep the exotic blitzs coming. I saw this game offensively as Kubiak holding Carr back because of conservative offensive play calling.
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Until Carr starts beating teams deep they will run blitz us to death. I told a few of the guys at the game I wish we took deep shots early in the game instead of waiting so long. Teams will take away your strength and make you beat them with your weaker element. If you notice, once the first drive was over the Eagles took away the roll/waggle and forced Carr to beat them from the pocket. Right now it's on Carr to help the run game out by making them pay for stacking the box and run blitzing all the time. Dinking and dunking looks great on the stat line...but it won't win any games.
 
dalemurphy said:
...And if we were to trade Wali Lundy for Brian Westbrook and play the game again, we'd still get beat by double-digits!

Once again, we were beat badly up front on both sides of the ball. I don't freakin' care about Reggie Bush. I want to see our lines play better!
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So trading Lundy for Westbrook doesn't make us a better team? :ok:
 
If you truly expected us to win this game or you have not gotten over the emotional jilting on draft day I can understand how people want blood. However, most sane people will be honest with what happended and did not happen. Our offense stunk except for the first drive and our defense stunk except for the first quarter. We played a very good team on both sides of the ball and against a staff that did what good coordinators do, expose the other team's weaknesses.

They scored 21 points in a 15 minute stretch. We had almost the entire 2nd half to orchestrate a comeback and as usual we were awful in the red zone going for 0-2. Yes we did not turn the ball over the whole game, but against teams like the Eagles you must convert RZ opps to TDs.

We hit hard and we got pressure on McNabb's 5 and 7 step drops. Babin looked good. We got smoked on the 3 step drops which were aplenty and I am not sure what Hall of Fame DE outside of Too Tall Jones would have an impact against a WCO team hitting on all cylinders for a quarter. DeMeco is special. Dunta got toasted, but hit hard. CC Brown looked like a fool. Lewis Sanders may try to hit you, but most will barrell over him. I have a hard time believing we will perform well against a WCO until we get a more tenured secondary who can close and wrap guys before the line to gain. If Lewis Sanders does so in the 2nd quarter, the fragile confidence we had may have not been broken by the next play from scrimmage with McNabb's play action.

This is a 60 minute game and we slept on defense for 15 minutes and slept 3/4 of the game on O. We will get better, I am sure of it. We have some talented young players to be excited about, but they were greener than the Eagles puke green uniforms and the Eagles knew how to exploit it.
 
Here's my take- D. Carr looked really good compared to previous years. The only thing that bothered me is why he didn't check down whenever the Iggles loaded the Def line with extra pass rushers. He should have recongnized that, but I'm sure that will be part of his new learning process that GK will bring tio his attention. I don't know either if he was still locking unto his potential WR, so if someone could let me know if he improved in that are it would be great. And a Pump Fake would seem to really help D. Carr in not allowing those Def. Linemen to knock down his throws.
The right side of our O-line looked really horrible, espeacially Weigert. McKinney shouldn't be playing or even rotating in for Weary, because he is soft. Spencer made some mistakes fro a rookie and should have never let his man blow pass him and allow a sack. He's young and maybe he will prove me wrong, but I still believe he is better suited as a Guard in this league.
Our RB's looked like crap period!
Our secondary is going to be the weekest link this year. D. Robinson is our best CB, but that isn't saying much, because he is very lucky that he didn't have a couple of big plays happen against him for TD's. He seems to have lost a little in his ability to place himself ion the right postion to make plays during pass coverage. To his credit he is one heck of a tackler. Everyone else is just plan slow out ther in our secondary and can't cover very well at all. I thought that Brown and Earl were good enough to play those postion until I saw there play in the game. I don't know what I was thinking.
The only bright s[ot in our entire LB corp is Ryans. Boy can that kid play or what? Everyone else is below average and that's being nice.
Our Def-line played an alrightgame, but Williams is still locking unto defenders instead of using his hands to get free and make a play. He's young and as long as I see progress from him I'll be happy. T.J. was looking pretty good out there. Peek was flying everwhere on the field and would probably serve the team better playing OLB instead of DE. Babin looked really good and I think he is one of our better DE's and needs to play a lot more. I didn't catch to much of Weavers play at DE, so again if someone could comment on that I would appreciate it. In all I would have liked to seen our Def. blitz a lot more and think Peek would be a better LB than DE.
This is constructive critisism and I'm only pointing out what other fans and i were talking about at the game. As long as we can keep improving and seeing things for what they are I believe this team will eventually find itself and start winning some games in the latter half of the season. What I noticed the most is progress even though we lost, I saw a team getting better and that's what matters most.
 
QB - David Carr played out of this world in the 1st qtr and really looked good. After that, the offensive line just fell flat. There is not enough credit being thrown around today by all the Carr Haters today, but that is too be expected, the Eagles fans that are actaully unbiased either way have made it a point that Carr did well so those people can just wallow in their "Vince" jerseys. Considering we couldn't run the ball (see below), the QB wasn't going to be very successfull in this type of offense.

RB- Rookies make rookie mistakes...and then some. I expect Dayne to start on this squad by the end of the year if his toe gets better, they just looked intimidated until well into the 3rd quarter. The Eagles have a great front 7 so I'll have to pass judgement more the next few games, but we totally couldn't rely on the running game to set up the pass. RB blocking situation scares me that we will see Rosenfels real soon....and not but design.

OL- Wow...and not in a good way. I thought that our offense would be stale against the Eagles front line, but I didn't think it would be that bad. Spencer just got handled like a rookie today, Pitts and Flanagan actually looked decent, but Weary and Wiegert we getting blown up quite a bit. On one play in particular Weary was shoved back 2 yards behind Carr and if the DT would have just looked right he would have saw Carr and sacked him. I'll chalk this one up to a good dline and unit inexperience, as I was in the trade down and draft D'Brick Ferguson camp, so we still would have not seen a great line this week either way.

TE- Horrific. missing balls, bad blocks, not getting open. Where was our Starter Daniels all game??

D-Line - Mario needs to just stay in 1 spot for a while and get comfortable and confident, right now he's playing too timid, looks lost and out of game shape. Our D-line up the middle looks ok, but we get owned on any screens or misdirections. Peek was just getting manhandled and overall our line was just getting stood up. Imagine if Carr had the time that McNabb did? That was just insane for him to have that much time.

LB- Ryans is all over the place but everyone else is just dumb at reading plays. Get Wong back as soon as possible.

CB- Dunta made some nice tackles in reading the run, but got torched by a receiver that has been with the team for less than a week. This is why I keep telling people he's a 2nd CB and not a top tier CB that can be counted on to make the big play. Sanders actaully had 2 ints in his hands and let them slip away. If we get those 2 int's, it's a whole different ball game. Imagine Dunta on that side, we'd more than likely get the int. Anyone see PBuc? He's missing (not missed however)

Coaches - Good game plan from the beginning, but they didn't make the halftime adjustments as well as the Eagles. Our defensive coordinator fell into a pattern of blitzing after a certain play and the Eagles exposed that with a screen. It kept happening over and over.



I felt that as a team we started off well, something Carr was not doing in preseason, we just couldn't sustain it. We still lack considerable talent at LB, CB, DT and OL, all which were addressed partially in the offseason, however with so many changes to this team it's going to take time.....where have I heard that from? Call me cazy.
 
WILLIEG said:
Here's my take- D. Carr looked really good compared to previous years. The only thing that bothered me is why he didn't check down whenever the Iggles loaded the Def line with extra pass rushers. He should have recongnized that, but I'm sure that will be part of his new learning process that GK will bring tio his attention.
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I think if he does check down, the Eagles can then check off. They bring in Dawkins to the line, just like Palomalu of the Steelers, and on any give play he can blitz you or drop back into coverage because they are so quick to get into positions. If Carr sees Dawkins come down and Carr changes the play but Dawkins goes back into coverage, Carrs options are limited.
 
Chance_C said:
I saw the exact same thing. I posted about it in the game thread during the game yesterday. In fact, he said it twice.

Philadelphia looked like a very good team with no glaring weaknesses. Hat's off to them. It's nice to come on here and talk about Carr's possible evolution into a decent NFL QB. Now if we can get our putting down to go with our driving, we may turn into a pretty good team.

Nice game Carr, AJ, Moulds, Demeco (edited to add TJ)

Come on Mario and the whole Dline, Wali and Vernand (running and pass pro), and last but not least, the O line
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http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index.php?showtopic=376820&hl=Watch++This
 
After watching the game, it left me wondering if Capers was calling plays from Miami. The first TD was after a drive that consisted of 66 yards in the air and 10 yards in penalties. Then Kubiak went to the run with no success and stuck with it ? Carr looked like he enjoyed the no huddle, and he looked comfortable running it. The play calling was predictable and that helped to create a great eagle defensive show. This kind of play calling got us to 2-14 last year, and that play calling will make us an easy mark for any team that pays attention.
 
Vambo said:
Did anybody at the game wonder why we didn't try running outside more?

We had one pitch to the right side for about 7 yards... then I never saw it again.
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We're waiting for the regular season to start. Don't want to show off the whole playbook in the pre... oh... waittasecond...

Nevermind.
 
srstex said:
After watching the game, it left me wondering if Capers was calling plays from Miami. The first TD was after a drive that consisted of 66 yards in the air and 10 yards in penalties. Then Kubiak went to the run with no success and stuck with it ? Carr looked like he enjoyed the no huddle, and he looked comfortable running it. The play calling was predictable and that helped to create a great eagle defensive show. This kind of play calling got us to 2-14 last year, and that play calling will make us an easy mark for any team that pays attention.
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I forget who it was during the game thread but there was someone who is normally not a Carr fan who was saying... "why the hell are we trying to run? Put the ball in Carr's hands! He's the only chance we've got!"

It was pretty funny.
 
First...can someone get Travis Johnson a working chin strap?

Second...I thought Babin looked pretty decent, definitely super fast off the edge, but many times he just made the tackles job easy by running straight up the field, allowing McNabb to just step up. I still liked his energy.

God Bless you David Carr for finding AJ and Moulds early and often. That made my heart smile.

I'm not even gonna waste time on the running game right now. The Eagles have a good defense, and got embarassed by Denver last year, so that defense and Jim Johnson in particular took this game very seriously, and took out that frustration on us.

Demeco...you the man dawg. My only lead pipe lock prediction of the year is this man wins DROY, no question.
 
There was a moment in the first quarter that I was actually thinking that the talent on the field was at the same level as the talent on the Cheerleading squad.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
There was a moment in the first quarter that I was actually thinking that the talent on the field was at the same level as the talent on the Cheerleading squad.
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But unfortunately the difference was greater than you could have imagined... or... so I imagine.
 
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