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Texans promote TE coach Tim Kelly to be the OC

Shishkabob

All Pro
Nuk is a Hall player. Talking about making ordinary players great.

Just for the record, OD was a Casserly pick. Kubiak was going to go with the safety but said Casserly convinced him to take OD. Obviously worked since OD followed to Baltimore & Denver.
Nuk is also a pretty slow receiver, generally guys get open by a 5-10 yard radius because of a blown coverage caused by confusion within the offensive scheme. Nuk's wide open grab against Miami was set up perfectly by a deep shot to Fuller before, same look Miami bit on Fuller and let Nuk go. That is scheming, using plays to set up other plays
 

281Texan

Waterboy
What a lousy move. Not to discredit Tim Kelly personally because I'm sure he's a great guy, but this man played on the defensive side of the ball his whole career. He jumped on with Bill as a GA at Penn State then Bill thought it would be a good idea to have him coach TE's and assist with OL (both positions have sucked since Kubiak) THEN we decide that he's ready to become OC. All this is, is Bill O'Brien saying fine, I'll give you your OC but he's not going to be someone who can have any valuable input. Things will be the same as usual, and Bill will be fired after next season when we play a big boys schedule. Just a total waste of a year. At least Houston saw the writing on the wall with Minor Applewhite. Why can't the Texans do the same?
 

steelbtexan

Hall of Fame
What a lousy move. Not to discredit Tim Kelly personally because I'm sure he's a great guy, but this man played on the defensive side of the ball his whole career. He jumped on with Bill as a GA at Penn State then Bill thought it would be a good idea to have him coach TE's and assist with OL (both positions have sucked since Kubiak) THEN we decide that he's ready to become OC. All this is, is Bill O'Brien saying fine, I'll give you your OC but he's not going to be someone who can have any valuable input. Things will be the same as usual, and Bill will be fired after next season when we play a big boys schedule. Just a total waste of a year. At least Houston saw the writing on the wall with Minor Applewhite. Why can't the Texans do the same?
Let them build their team and we'll see.
 

justmy2cents

Rookie
Contributor's Club
What a lousy move. Not to discredit Tim Kelly personally because I'm sure he's a great guy, but this man played on the defensive side of the ball his whole career. He jumped on with Bill as a GA at Penn State then Bill thought it would be a good idea to have him coach TE's and assist with OL (both positions have sucked since Kubiak) THEN we decide that he's ready to become OC. All this is, is Bill O'Brien saying fine, I'll give you your OC but he's not going to be someone who can have any valuable input. Things will be the same as usual, and Bill will be fired after next season when we play a big boys schedule. Just a total waste of a year. At least Houston saw the writing on the wall with Minor Applewhite. Why can't the Texans do the same?

I hope I'm wrong, but it seems to me that O'Brien is simply flaunting his ultra conservative offensive philosophy. I don't guess he considered Mike Leach for even a moment !
 

Mangler

Veteran
I believe you're wrong.

Give him talent and we will see.

That's the good thing about having a GM/HC that work together and share the same vision.
I used to think this, but then we went and got Deshaun Watson. Turns out, we were not just “a QB away.” Hell, we went out and got a good special teams coach who tuned our special teams into a top unit, still no improvement by O’Brien and more of the same.

Now, I understand injuries do happen and they always will, but It seems like he never has a plan b. His plan A is already shaky to begin with. I have lost all faith in O’Brien. I’d be happy to be proven wrong though.
 
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IDEXAN

Hall of Fame
I used to think this, but then we went and got Deshaun Watson. Turns out, we were not just “a QB away.” Hell, we went out and got a good special teams coach who tuned our special teams into a top unit, still no improvement by O’Brien and more of the same.
I know the end of the year with the loss in the P/Os to the Colt is disappointing, but still 11-5 is not too shabby is it ?
 

Mangler

Veteran
I know the end of the year with the loss in the P/Os to the Colt is disappointing, but still 11-5 is not too shabby is it ?
You’re forgetting the 2-3 games our opponents gift war apples for us by missing the game winning field goal after our defense couldn’t make a single stop,eating then march down the field on 70-80+ yard drives.
 

steelbtexan

Hall of Fame
You’re forgetting the 2-3 games our opponents gift war apples for us by missing the game winning field goal after our defense couldn’t make a single stop,eating then march down the field on 70-80+ yard drives.
The Texans also gave away a couple of games like the fake punt Tacks game, or the Philly game.
 

TheKDog

Hall of Fame
I know the end of the year with the loss in the P/Os to the Colt is disappointing, but still 11-5 is not too shabby is it ?
But the offense still sucks. I view it as Obrien wasting a good year by the defense and special teams because he can't get it together on offense.
 

ObsiWan

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
Give him some talent to work with next season and we'll see. That's the good thing.
how about O'Brien gets his hands dirty and helps select this "talent" instead of blaming the GM for not giving it too him. Please notice the better coaches are in on the player selection process (see Belichick, Reid, and Carroll) instead of using that sad "I just coach the guys I'm given" cop out. If I hear that excuse one more time....
 

steelbtexan

Hall of Fame
how about O'Brien gets his hands dirty and helps select this "talent" instead of blaming the GM for not giving it too him. Please notice the better coaches are in on the player selection process (see Belichick, Reid, and Carroll) instead of using that sad "I just coach the guys I'm given" cop out. If I hear that excuse one more time....
He probably did get his hands dirty in last yrs, so you wont hear this again.

He was probably telling the truth and once his thoughts were discounted by the previous GM, he let the previous GM fall on his sword. As you know, this happens in corporate environments all the time.
 

Shishkabob

All Pro
Not according to OTC... though re-distributing dead money may be the difference
if a player is designated a June 1st cut, or traded after June 1st then the team cutting him or trading him is still on the hook for paying his base salary for that season as base salaries are paid out by June 1st. Then the signing bonus that the team gets to spread out over the length of the contract gets pushed back to the next season, instead of the current year. The team doesn't get to use any of the money until June 1st, so they miss the big wave of free agency. It's mainly for teams in dire need of cap relief to sign their draft picks, and make in season moves.

At least this is what I've gathered from the 20 different articles I've read on it lol
 

infantrycak

Admin & Mod
if a player is designated a June 1st cut, or traded after June 1st then the team cutting him or trading him is still on the hook for paying his base salary for that season as base salaries are paid out by June 1st.
Don't know what you've been reading but base salaries are paid out in weekly checks thru the regular season. June 1st is only significant to accounting for dead money for cut players, nothing more.
 

steelbtexan

Hall of Fame
Don't know what you've been reading but base salaries are paid out in weekly checks thru the regular season. June 1st is only significant to accounting for dead money for cut players, nothing more.
Doesn't it work like this?

You can spread June 1st cuts dead $$$$ out over 2 yrs?
 

Shishkabob

All Pro
Don't know what you've been reading but base salaries are paid out in weekly checks thru the regular season. June 1st is only significant to accounting for dead money for cut players, nothing more.
I misread the wording the other day, it's on the books until June 1st and then drops to the bonus money that would be paid out just that year with the leftover rolling over to the next season
 

infantrycak

Admin & Mod
I misread the wording the other day, it's on the books until June 1st and then drops to the bonus money that would be paid out just that year with the leftover rolling over to the next season
Close. It's not bonus money that would be paid that year. It's prorated bonus money which would appear on the cap that year (dead money, it's already been paid, it just hasn't appeared on the cap yet) with the remainder being moved to the next season (as dead money).
 

Shishkabob

All Pro
Close. It's not bonus money that would be paid that year. It's prorated bonus money which would appear on the cap that year (dead money, it's already been paid, it just hasn't appeared on the cap yet) with the remainder being moved to the next season (as dead money).
yea that's what I meant, just on a phone so trying to limit my typing lol
 

OzzO

.. and then?
...While the expectation is that Kelly, the new offensive coordinator, will ipso facto become the new play-caller, O’Brien indicated they still have not made that decision. “I think it’s so early right now to really talk about any of that,” O’Brien told reporters at the NFL combine in Indianapolis. “We’re really concentrated on the draft. We’re concentrated on what we want to do. We have a nine-week offseason program that starts April 15.” O’Brien acknowledged that every play-caller “starts somewhere.” How they could decide whether or not to give Kelly full blown play-calling duties could be influenced by his ability to call plays during organized team activities in May.....
https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/28/bill-obrien-too-early-name-2019-texans-play-caller/?fbclid=IwAR2Sj2CmJPypuQTBDf3iMvwZmW-ucPO_utcwc6-h3844NYwPA-lrz66ephI
 
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