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The starting center for the Ravens was available as was Mike Wahl from the Packers for a good gaurd. Both were highly rated. IMO, we should have made a run at them to shore up the middle of the line which I believe to be the real problem. However, I doubt we could have secured both without damaging our cap. Of course we could have dumped McKinny and Wiegert to save money. The issue then is continuty and ability to work well together this year, but I think it would have paid offbig time next year. JMO.
 
Casey Rabach is no better than McKinney. He is stuggling in Washington and looked terrible against the Ravens in their scrimmage. The only reason he started for the Ravens was because Mike Flynn, the Ravens real starting center, was injured in preseason.
 
You guys obviously pay closer attention to your line than I do but it stands to reason that the middle of your line is a little soft in pass protection. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Texans use a zone blocking scheme, similar to what the Broncos use. The OL is full of players that are more athlete than beast. Athleticsm is more important b/c they have to do two things. Get around a defender and block down hill and then get to the 2nd level and pick up a LB or DB. You've been having success in the running game from a grand total production standpoint. You struggle in short yardage situations with the running game though, which is another by-product of the smaller O-line. I guess what I'm trying to say is you will continue to have problems with both pass protection and short yardage running. That is why Shanny has become known as the mastermind. His innovative passing game allows us to utilize the smaller more athletic lineman and still remain productive and secure. By secure I mean offsetting the pressure. I believe Plummer was sacked 17 times last year. Two teams I believe had less sacks. If we were to ask Plummer to sit in a pocket every passing play I'd venture to say that # would be up in the 40s easily! To sum this up, you have to be a little more inovative with your plays. If Palmer were to install a few more bootlegs that alone would slow the pass rush. Carr has the ability to move outside the hashes and typically it's easier for a QB to make a decision out there b/c he can throw it away without penalty b/c he's outside the OT. Anyhow, I'm rambling on and on. Just wanted you guys to know that you do have a good OL they're just not being utilized properly in the passing game and don't expect to have any of your RB's be really solid in 3rd and short situations.


I'm not saying this is for the sure the reason of you struggles as I'm not real sure what your C and OG's size is but I'm guessing they're probably real close to be 300 lbs at best. Hope it works out for you all!
 
edo783 said:
Of course we could have dumped McKinny and Wiegert to save money. The issue then is continuty and ability to work well together this year, but I think it would have paid offbig time next year. JMO.

I think Wiegert, when healthy, is one of our better linemen. I really like where we are at both our guard spots. Pitts looks pretty solid at LG, and he should be there for years to come. Wiegert does a very good job at RG when he's healthy, and he and Wade are very good run blockers. I wouldn't mind seeing better quality depth, or perhaps even picking up a talented young G next year from the draft as opposed to picking up an aging overpriced veteran FA guard. McKinney definately needs to be replaced, but I doubt the rookie Hodgdon will be ready to seriously compete for a starting spot this season. Hopefully a year in the Texans training program will be enough to get him ready to compete for the spot next year.
 
I think Wiegert is 31 or 32 years old and while he is good, he is broken most of the time. Wahle I think is only 26 or 27 and no history of injury. Just seems like a better, longer term option to me.
 
Guess that's where we differ. I feel that Wiegert can still be a good player for us at RG for a few more seasons and provide us time to find a young guy in the draft to replace him at a cheaper price. I believe Pitts is still under his rookie contract (somewhere over 2.6 million dollars total for the 4 year deal), and he's been an excellent value for the money. I imagine the Texans will be redoing his deal sometime soon, and if they pay him well they might be looking for a good value at the other guard spot. JMO of course.
 
Wiegert turns 33 on Tuesday. He's still good but by next season they need to start preparing for the future. In fact, they need to start now. I haven't been all that impressed with #79 Chad Beasley who is running second team behind Wiegert and has been filling in for him on first team since Wiegert's been hurt. Wiegert has played in 28 out of a possible 32 games for the Texans so it's not like he's been an injury liability.

Chester Pitts is on pace to be eligible for UFA after this season.
 
BroncoMan13 said:
You guys obviously pay closer attention to your line than I do but it stands to reason that the middle of your line is a little soft in pass protection. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Texans use a zone blocking scheme, similar to what the Broncos use. The OL is full of players that are more athlete than beast. Athleticsm is more important b/c they have to do two things. Get around a defender and block down hill and then get to the 2nd level and pick up a LB or DB. You've been having success in the running game from a grand total production standpoint. You struggle in short yardage situations with the running game though, which is another by-product of the smaller O-line. I guess what I'm trying to say is you will continue to have problems with both pass protection and short yardage running. That is why Shanny has become known as the mastermind. His innovative passing game allows us to utilize the smaller more athletic lineman and still remain productive and secure. By secure I mean offsetting the pressure. I believe Plummer was sacked 17 times last year. Two teams I believe had less sacks. If we were to ask Plummer to sit in a pocket every passing play I'd venture to say that # would be up in the 40s easily! To sum this up, you have to be a little more inovative with your plays. If Palmer were to install a few more bootlegs that alone would slow the pass rush. Carr has the ability to move outside the hashes and typically it's easier for a QB to make a decision out there b/c he can throw it away without penalty b/c he's outside the OT. Anyhow, I'm rambling on and on. Just wanted you guys to know that you do have a good OL they're just not being utilized properly in the passing game and don't expect to have any of your RB's be really solid in 3rd and short situations.


I'm not saying this is for the sure the reason of you struggles as I'm not real sure what your C and OG's size is but I'm guessing they're probably real close to be 300 lbs at best. Hope it works out for you all!

Interesting stuff. Thanks for joining in.
 
don't expect to have any of your RB's be really solid in 3rd and short situations.

Domanick Davis had a 5.7 avg. (15 carries for 85 yards) last season on 3rd down and 2 or less.

Take away the one that went for 23 yards and his average would have still been 4.4.
 
Another reason why Plummer is sacked less is that he is a great scrambler. While Carr is good at running, he doesn't have that pocket awarness that Plummer has either.
 
The Texans are more like the Ravens in that they use a zone blocking scheme with larger linemen while the Broncos use smaller linemen.
 
Could be, but normally when you use the zone blocking scheme for your run game you have a QB utilize the rollouts to help keep the pass rush to a minimum... same thing is happening in Atlanta. They have a bunch of no name OLinemen but they get the job done in the passing game b/c Vick can rollout and any minute and it forces them to contain first and pass rush second. Carr can do the same thing. Naturally he isn't as much of a threat as Vick, but I don't think Carr and Jake Plummer are all that different in terms of athleticsm. The rollout has to be called every now and again... force the defense to maintain containment first and pass rush second and you have bought yourself another .5-1.0 seconds! Just makes sense if you ask me.
 
Runner said:
Excellent rebuttal. Very well thought out.

A few questions:

Do you only post the company line?

Do you truly believe replacing Wand will fix all the OL problems?

Has an NFL front office/coaching staff ever made a mistake?

If we're so desparate, why haven't we picked up Verba?

Feel free to use more than two sentences to answer these questions.

Sorry to get you in a tissy.

A few answers:

No, I post my opinion.

Just replacing Wand won't magically fix the O-line. I wanted two players from this past draft class, Thomas Davis and David Baas. I would have loved to have Baas take over at LG and then slide Pitts back to Left Tackle. Pitts was a decent performer his second year and certainly would be an upgrade over Wand IMO. Baas would be an upgrade at LG over Pitts IMO. The great thing about Baas is that he has experience at center as well, so he could play multiple positions at a high level.

FO's make plenty of mistakes.

We haven't signed Verba because he thinks he's worth more than what we grade him at.


Cak, I think I answered your question in this post.
 
Much better reply. I knew you could do it!

That was a joke.

I like to see these other opinions rather than sarcastic replies though. That's what I like about this board.
 
Interesting note:

Predictably, practices were more intense than the garden variety Napa workout. Wide receiver Doug Gabriel scuffled briefly with cornerback DeMarcus Faggins, and Tyler Brayton flattened Andre Johnson unnecessarily out of bounds. But there were no out-and-out fights.

Full Link: HERE
 
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