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Texans 1.3 Pick Derek Stingley Jr.
- Thread starter AcresHomesTexan
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Stingley needs to be at 100% December 4th.
Just saying.
Just saying.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
A problem for whom? Not to be too critical, putting this in frame-by-frame, there's no sign that Stingley looked for the ball. Pass interference?
Stingley has been injured, one a career threatening injury. Sauce has been on the field.
How many TD's did Sauce give up his entire college career? How many did Stingley give up? INT's are great, but they don't automatically result in points. TD's given up do.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Just after that flair Judo chopped Stevie in the throat. WHOO!
DanielTx
Veteran
I could flip the question back to you. How many nfl prospects did Sauce play against at his position? I’m not knocking the kid but I would rather take a high risk/bust than a mid risk/bust. Stingley competition included Kyle Pitts (Atlanta), Tee Higgins (Bengals), Justyn Ross (Chiefs), Ceedee Lamb (Cowboys), George Pickens (Steelers), Collin Johnson (Giants), Jameson Williams (Lions) and Devonta Smith (Eagles) where he didn’t have his best game. Youtube is your best friend. Frank Gore a star studded rb coming out of Miami and had a career threatening injury? 20 years later, he’s a hall of famer. It’s certain traits you look for in prospects. Courage is not defined by those who fought and did not fall… it is defined by those who fought, fell and then rose again. Stingley has a concerning injury but he isn’t handicapped from it. What guys should be furious about is the Texans passing up Jordan Davis for Kenyon Green? Who made that call lol
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Very true.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
I was told that didn't matter because it was before the NFL, before the injury. If you look for my post members said that it didn't matter what he did in school. That he has to do it in the NFL.
He doesn't have to look for the ball. That was textbook. Receiver's hands go up, he puts his hand between the receivers.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
He hit the receiver's hand prior to the catch.
Nobody will ever call that PI... well, no NFL referee
Just looking at the replay I disagree. Looked about as all-ball in a bang-bang play as could be.
Great feet-hand-eye CB instincts from the youngster imo..
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
We've yet to enjoy Green's impact on the OL, so it's a bit unfair to make that assessment.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
much as a Keynon Green homer as I am, Jordan Davis is far more elite as a prospect. Regardless who’s sitting in that office on Kirby, they’ve choked early in drafts and have since inception.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yeah you're being too critical....
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Stingley didn't go through the receiver's body. He didn't face shield. It's a clean play. Not saying Stingley won't get PIs. He will, he's a rookie CB.
I wanted Caserio to pick Neal at #3 and Davis at #12 originally. Lovie decided that Stingley was the pick at 3 and if healthy that's a great pick. It's kinda early to say Davis will be better than Green, since Green hasn't played yet. Green is hardly chopped liver. I think he's going to be a great player in his own right.
Kenyon and Jordan face off in primetime on 11/3. Let's reserve judgement until then.
That's too general and too easy to contradict - for example when did anybody ever second-guess the decision to draft with their top pick the great Andre Johnson ? And then there was this other guy JJ something from Wisconsin ? Gotta be careful with those broad generalities there BL. (BTW BL - "Juice Drop Hazy IPA" by Brekenridge Brewery is a great IPA so check it out if you can find it).
Yes Davis is probably more elite than Green but the complaint 'bout him as I recall was he's got to come off of the field in passing situations, but then also drafting any offensive guard that high is controversial with many of us but apparently Casserio & Lovie felt he was the best OL in the Draft on their Board to help them improve their rushing game which is an imperative for young Davis Mills to advance and improve his game.
Totally agree, I even suggested drafting Sauce and Davis then trading back into the 1st for Green or Zion.
Thanks for the IPA tip. Can you pick this up at HEB?
michaelm
vox nihili
I don't see PA at all. I'd be pissed if he got flagged for that in a game. And I'm obnoxiously fair minded when it comes to penalties on my teams. It's a curse lol
The defender has equal rights to the ball in that scenario in my opinion.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Sorry but I never hinge one’s draft grade on a single game or match-up. Position wise elite nose eats guards for lunch, and I hear Jordan has one hell of an appetite. Furthermore, if we can freeze these two teams rosters (Eagles/Texans) and see how well they’ve done over course of last few drafts, evaluating talent, it’s not even close. Not an Eagle fan but they have done a real nice job rebuilding after Super Bowl, taken some lumps, but navigated pathway back to post season talk.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
You were absolutely right, which why any one of us given the title could execute just as well if not better.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Even a blind squirrel catches a nut or two. Where they really that hard of decisions? I think not.
Really digging the local craft brewery’s offerings as of late. Don’t want to mention names, or miss anyone, but there is a plethora of great, fresh, spicy, citrusy IPA’s all around this great city we call home.
Yes, let's not have facts get in the way of our opinions.
In the past, Davis has been a two down player. Green has always been a three down player. While I don't need to predict which guy will have the better career, I always had Green as the superior collegiate player and better professional prospect.
I dunno BL maybe ask the Detroit Lions who took the other receiver instead of Johnson or the ten teams who passed on JJ
that question about blind squirrels and nuts ?
Yes Sir we have some great local brewers that have some deliciuos citrusy IPA products with Buffalo Bayous Crush City Mango high up among the leaders !
DanielTx
Veteran
If no one else is willing to say it, I will. Kenyon Green should have been a late first - second round pick! It’s nice to see him finishhis college career as a two-time consensus All-American.
Green at the combine had 20 reps. Out of the top 18 line men. He ranked #17 in the drill. Our star studded rookie rb knocked out 21 reps. He scored a 5.98 RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 523 out of 1298 OG from 1987 to 2022.
Kenyon might be a good player but he wasn’t top 15 in this draft. I get it, the best line men were taking top 10 so maybe the Texans felt pressured but still, I need to see if he can play or not. I have my doubts about him
Texian
Hall of Fame
I think "underperforming OG with less than average NFL athleticism" is the best best way to describe Kenyon Green. I've often said that this Kirby Boardroom would somehow find a way to screw up the Watson trade and they certainly started off with a humdinger.
Is this the time I pull up all of Texian's bad draft takes?
sprtsfanatic
Veteran
Im in the opinion that we needed more OL help than DL help...especially if we were going to see if Mills is our qb of the future...and since we went DB with the first pick vs picking one of the stud OL's in the draft (Neal or Ike) it was a no brainer to get best available OL with 2nd pick...I was hoping Green or Zion and was happy with the Green pick...he was a stud at A&M and there were no red flags to indicate otherwise.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
this isn’t College or High School anymore. We’re talking Big Leagues, NFL, some players are late bloomers. Greene has been excellent for a very, very long time. True Jordan is less developed and raw compared to Greene as a football player now, but I see flashes of Casey Hampton. Dominant interior lineman, possibly the rarest of all. Athletically he already blows everybody out of the water, his RAS scores elite, building block of the future.
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sprtsfanatic
Veteran
Hard to truly judge Davis on talent alone...he played with a very talented D Line with a lot of big names on there helping him out....at some point you have to stop drafting on potential and start drafting players or else you'll have a team full of busts that you were hoping would pan out and play to their potential.
DanielTx
Veteran
what’s your thoughts on green only benching 20 reps and coming in 2nd to last in that area?
Texian
Hall of Fame
Only if you pull up all of yours. Weren't you a BIG Mantei Teo and a Louis Nix guy?
Maybe you can also point out why describing Green's Combine performance as underperforming and less than average NFL athleticism is wrong?
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Texian
Hall of Fame
Some folks still don't understand how the Champion Georgia Bulldogs defense works and operates. Texans will rue the day they traded back from #13 to pass on Jordan Davis to take Kenyon Green at #15. But hey it's the Texans, its what we have come to know and expect. We're dealing with assistant coach THINK, not GM think, but then we don't really have a real GM either.
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LOL! Here's my fanboy Nix takes.
I got buried by everyone, @xtruroyaltyx and @Carr Bombed specifically. All I did was say the guy wasn't a 1st round talent and was a project that needed to change his game.
I don't remember having a take on Te'o, because I didn't think he was on the Texansradar.
When I'm talking about your bad takes, it's always Combine heros that couldn't actually play. You know what I'm talking about. I may have kidded you about Bortles, but he was a 1st rounder on everyone's board. It's that you could never quit on Blake when it was obvious he wasn't going to be a good QB that was strange.
SeriousShizzle
Rookie
Sting got stinged twice..... ill give him a pass. Not a good look but its his first game
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Both of you were wrong then and still wrong now.
Nix’s issue wasn’t game or talent related and had everything to do with between the ears.
I won’t debate a dead guy anymore though. RIP.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
What’s your thoughts on Green being a 2x all american that excelled at multiple positions on the OL in the SEC throughout his career PLAYING THE GAME?
Supposedly he's just looked good so far.
He got a concussion and hasn't played, how can you make this determination?
I liked Davis more than Green, but I think Green is going to be really good for a long time. If you're hung up on the 20 reps thingy, don't be.
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That's easy for you to say, hindsight being 20-400.
Yes Buffalo Bayous products are carried at HB stores, and widely throughout the area, well atleast I know for sure down here in Clear Lake.
But this Mango IPA is some a good brew man, check it out !
Stingley made a good play for sure, but he was going against this guy:
Landen Akers - Wikipedia
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And the QB needed to throw that ball further to the outside; there's plenty of room along the sideline.
It looked like Stingley didn't know what his coverage responsibilities were on a lot of plays. And he wasn't the only one. Preseason is the time to challenge the youngsters, but Lovie needs to keep it simpler during the games that count.