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Texans 1.3 Pick Derek Stingley Jr.

SnakeEyes

Under NRG
There's one poster here who was very against Sauce Gardner because his playing style (handsy) will not be allowed in the NFL.

I'll be watching.
He has tended to do that. But, with a decent (not even good) DC and DBs coach I don't think it's some he wouldn't stop.
 

maverick512000

Hall of Fame
The medical staff gave their blessings to pick Stingley, so if this doesn't work out they should get most of the blame.
While I don't disagree that wouldn't change the facts that:

A: Caserio is the GM so ultimately its on him to determine if he is getting bad advice or not and given the Texans medical staff's track record anything they say should be taken with a bag of salt.

B: Regardless who is to blame if he doesn't work out then we will still have wasted a 3rd overall pick.

If Stingly works out and is our answer at CB I will gladly eat my words and for the record I very much hope I have to, but I'm afraid he's more likely to be the next Will Fuller than Jalen Ramsey.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
Staff member
Contributor's Club
While I don't disagree that wouldn't change the facts that:

A: Caserio is the GM so ultimately its on him to determine if he is getting bad advice or not and given the Texans medical staff's track record anything they say should be taken with a bag of salt.

B: Regardless who is to blame if he doesn't work out then we will still have wasted a 3rd overall pick.

If Stingly works out and is our answer at CB I will gladly eat my words and for the record I very much hope I have to, but I'm afraid he's more likely to be the next Will Fuller than Jalen Ramsey.
I understand Lisfranc is a heck of an injury to come back from. & I understand everything CnnD said.

But I also believe Nick Caserio & Lovie Smith know everything we know about LisFranc & they know more than we do about Derek Stingley.

The leaked Cowboys draftboard had Stingley rated at 6. So they also didn't see the injury as big an impediment as many on the board seem to.

It's "rumored" three other teams were in discussion to trade up to 6 to get him.

I'm not going to quibble over 3 draft spots, or who's better between the top two CBs in the draft.

& Leveon Bell & Julio Jones had awesome, explosive careers after Lisfranc.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Ramsey, Sherman, Gilmore and several other CB’s are/were very handsy and they are not called for it.
Actually Ramsey does get called for PI more than he should for a supposedly lockdown cb. Sauce has the same length as Ramsey, but what he doesnt have is Ramsey’s physicality…which is why Ramsey gets called for it most of the times he has…he gets way too physical.

Sherman wasnt a mirror corner & wasn’t asked to be that in his hey day in Seattle. he stayed on the 1 side. If teams wanted to move their #1 away from him to the other side, they would just double and shade to that side & left Sherman on an island with whomever was over there……but again ONLY ON THAT SIDE.

Gilmore is a mirror corner, but not nearly as handsy as Sauce and has/had more natural ability than Sauce. Hes comfy in space. Sauce im not so sure is…which is why he’s so handsy.
He has the length to let WR’s wander a little farther away than most cb’s, but you can tell he’s not comfy using it b/c he typically is using his hands to keep close. He does t trust his speed OR length to make up that gap. A good WR will expose that.
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
Actually Ramsey does get called for PI more than he should for a supposedly lockdown cb. Sauce has the same length as Ramsey, but what he doesnt have is Ramsey’s physicality…which is why Ramsey gets called for it most of the times he has…he gets way too physical.

Sherman wasnt a mirror corner & wasn’t asked to be that in his hey day in Seattle. he stayed on the 1 side. If teams wanted to move their #1 away from him to the other side, they would just double and shade to that side & left Sherman on an island with whomever was over there……but again ONLY ON THAT SIDE.

Gilmore is a mirror corner, but not nearly as handsy as Sauce and has/had more natural ability than Sauce. Hes comfy in space. Sauce im not so sure is…which is why he’s so handsy.
He has the length to let WR’s wander a little farther away than most cb’s, but you can tell he’s not comfy using it b/c he typically is using his hands to keep close. He does t trust his speed OR length to make up that gap. A good WR will expose that.
Oh boy well brother you know it all so carry on. I just know when I watched them play, they got away with being extra physical and handsy. I’ve watched a lot of Cincinnati college games and Sauce plays physical just like them. Point is when the refs know you’re that type of corner, they allow you to get away with being handsy.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Oh boy well brother you know it all so carry on. I just know when I watched them play, they got away with being extra physical and handsy. I’ve watched a lot of Cincinnati college games and Sauce plays physical just like them. Point is when the refs know you’re that type of corner, they allow you to get away with being handsy.
honestly bro, Ramsey is overrated as hell. Hes not shut down…we saw that in the playoffs this year. whines to the refs too much too & he doesnt really travel with the team’s best WR either. When he tried in the playoffs with Mike Evans he got torched. Qbs are just not afraid of throwing at him.

Sauce didnt really travel either..but Saleh might try to make him…& the results wont be pretty.
 
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SnakeEyes

Under NRG
I understand Lisfranc is a heck of an injury to come back from. & I understand everything CnnD said.

But I also believe Nick Caserio & Lovie Smith know everything we know about LisFranc & they know more than we do about Derek Stingley.

The leaked Cowboys draftboard had Stingley rated at 6. So they also didn't see the injury as big an impediment as many on the board seem to.

It's "rumored" three other teams were in discussion to trade up to 6 to get him.

I'm not going to quibble over 3 draft spots, or who's better between the top two CBs in the draft.

& Leveon Bell & Julio Jones had awesome, explosive careers after Lisfranc.
He played 3 games on it before he shut down and had surgery. The odds are good he should be good to go. Even Clowney (gag) after he had a year to get everything down and back to 100% was pretty good. He was NOT what he showed in college however, except for his lack of work ethic at 1st. Until JJ all but forced him to do what it takes he was average. So, from a video I watched it seems Stingley is not like Clowney in that respect. Kid likes to work and likes to be ready every single week. I see no lack of ethic to get better, stronger and know what he has to do in any situation. That said, any injury can cause problems. If he is good to go then I'm all for it. But if he pulls up and is hurt again at any point that connects to the foot...I will still wish we had Sauce.

I had Sauce as 1 and Stingley as 2 for CBs in the draft. Honestly, not sure why we had Sauce in and apparently rated so well and didn't take him. His body of work along with his size and speed says he could be better than Stingley if both are 100%. We will see and I support Stingley as a Texan and pray he is CB1 for years to come
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
I have heard some comparisons between Stingley and Jadeveon Clowney and recovery from lisfranc. Of note is last season 2021 JD had 31 total tackles and 9 sacks.

Comparatively if Stingley in 8th year has 25 tackles and four interceptions I would be extremely pleased. Even more pleased if on Texans. Having said that Clowney missed some games with injuries that could have his groin injury as etiology.
 

SnakeEyes

Under NRG
They liked Stingley better?
If healthy maybe. But, I just posted some videos that somewhat prove that Sauce on paper and the field so far are better.

Here is some more info on the 2. Click stats, then it says NFL and nothing is listed. Click that NFL area and pick NCAA


 

zshawn10

All Pro
Houston Texans
The Texans were flush with early picks for a change, a minor miracle when one considers where the Deshaun Watson situation appeared to stand not long ago.

“To be honest, ever since the Deshaun Watson trade, I have a lot of respect for (GM Nick) Caserio, the way he held the line,” an exec said. “At first, I bought into the criticism when people said they should have traded him before the legal issues, that his value was diminished, that the no-trade clause would be a burden. But the way they played that trade, to force teams to provide trade terms before visiting with Watson, was really well done.”

Three first-round picks, a 2023 third and fourths in 2022 and 2024 gave Houston a chance. Trading back from 13 to 15 with Philadelphia added three more picks in this draft.

“I wouldn’t say there is any consistent theme behind what they are doing other than getting as many talented players as they can and seeing what sticks,” an exec said. “They are not forcing a quarterback. I don’t know if that is the right move, but there also wasn’t a great quarterback prospect in this draft, and they have future 1s.”

It was interesting to see the Texans and Jets use top-four picks for cornerbacks while running schemes known for coverage concepts that do not always require the absolute best athletes at the position. Then again, with the way Houston has shuffled through coaches, perhaps this pick was made with the organizational future in mind and less regard for the current scheme.

“I think (Derek) Stingley was a top-three pick on most boards,” an exec said. “He is super freaky, fluid. He could be the best corner prospect to come out since Stephon Gilmore. He has the size, the length, the movement, the ball skills. Just as a pure prospect, he checks every box, and is more fluid than Jalen Ramsey was. I like ‘Sauce’ Gardner a lot, but I thought Stingley has a different level of potential, like Hall of Fame-type potential.”
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Don’t let folks here convince you that Stingley would’ve still been there outside of the top 5. theres been plenty of leaking of boards and other things post-draft on what was going on behind the scenes….all of which clearly show Stingley was still considered by most to be a top 5 prospect despite the lisfranc & teams were trying to trade up to get him. Getting greedy and trying to trade back for more picks….even just 2 spots could’ve seen us miss out on him and possibly Gardner.

I think that whole scenario also shows that Caserio knows what he’s doing in the draft room..much to the chagrin of those who were upset with him giving up what he did to move up & get Metchie II.

The organization appears to be in capable hands. Now its on Lovie.
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
I understand Lisfranc is a heck of an injury to come back from. & I understand everything CnnD said.

But I also believe Nick Caserio & Lovie Smith know everything we know about LisFranc & they know more than we do about Derek Stingley.

The leaked Cowboys draftboard had Stingley rated at 6. So they also didn't see the injury as big an impediment as many on the board seem to.

It's "rumored" three other teams were in discussion to trade up to 6 to get him.

I'm not going to quibble over 3 draft spots, or who's better between the top two CBs in the draft.

& Leveon Bell & Julio Jones had awesome, explosive careers after Lisfranc.
Le'Veon Bell suffered a Grade I stable lisfranc injury.............an injury which does not require surgery. He sustained the lisfranc in the 2nd preseason game (Aug 20, 2013) and nonsurgical conservative management provided excellent results after being casted (non‐weight bearing) for several weeks. He returned to play on Sept 29, 2013 with the use of molded orthotics.

Julio Jones was said to have sustained a lisfranc on Aug 7, 2013........this fallacy was and has since been propagated by some of the media to this day. Rather, Jones actually sustained a Jones fracture instead. And, to be entirely accurate, this was the 2nd Jones fracture (refracture which is not uncommon) of the same right foot that he sustained on Feb 1, 2011. As it turns out, he sustained a Jones stress fracture after his final college season and worked through it at the NFL Combine (Feb 24, 2011), but extended it such that it required immediate surgery.
 
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SnakeEyes

Under NRG
Don’t let folks here convince you that Stingley would’ve still been there outside of the top 5. theres been plenty of leaking of boards and other things post-draft on what was going on behind the scenes….all of which clearly show Stingley was still considered by most to be a top 5 prospect despite the lisfranc & teams were trying to trade up to get him. Getting greedy and trying to trade back for more picks….even just 2 spots could’ve seen us miss out on him and possibly Gardner.

I think that whole scenario also shows that Caserio knows what he’s doing in the draft room..much to the chagrin of those who were upset with him giving up what he did to move up & get Metchie II.

The organization appears to be in capable hands. Now its on Lovie.
Nick Caserio surely knows what to do in a war room. He learned from the master of bargain, trade and flat out win draft days...Hoodie himself. Patriots have been masters of it for years. Hoodie is very good at getting players who may not be flashy but if you allow them to do what they do best...you win. We have SB MVP candidates when they were in NE who did 1 thing. What was it? There job plain and simple. If it was on D and they had to contain 1 5yrd area from a RB breaking free and they were only to do that on certain formations. They did it to the letter. They take away the most problematic players and make you win with the others. On both sides of the ball. Ds take away say a RB and WR who are good. The other WRs and TEs are average. Meaning 3 and out most of the time. On offense they take a star DB and make them chase the best WR all day. And then throw or run with everyone else. How good is doing only your job? Ask the SB rings they have won, division titles and AFC titles. Watching last year's team you saw this starting to look like that. Lovie is going to use his system but no question that Nick has explained what NE does. Watching will probably see it in this form next year. Stingley taking 1v1 against the top pass catcher. He will have some growing pains but by year 2 or even mid season it will probably be working out well.
 

TheRealJoker

Hall of Fame
Nick Caserio surely knows what to do in a war room. He learned from the master of bargain, trade and flat out win draft days...Hoodie himself. Patriots have been masters of it for years. Hoodie is very good at getting players who may not be flashy but if you allow them to do what they do best...you win. We have SB MVP candidates when they were in NE who did 1 thing. What was it? There job plain and simple. If it was on D and they had to contain 1 5yrd area from a RB breaking free and they were only to do that on certain formations. They did it to the letter. They take away the most problematic players and make you win with the others. On both sides of the ball. Ds take away say a RB and WR who are good. The other WRs and TEs are average. Meaning 3 and out most of the time. On offense they take a star DB and make them chase the best WR all day. And then throw or run with everyone else. How good is doing only your job? Ask the SB rings they have won, division titles and AFC titles. Watching last year's team you saw this starting to look like that. Lovie is going to use his system but no question that Nick has explained what NE does. Watching will probably see it in this form next year. Stingley taking 1v1 against the top pass catcher. He will have some growing pains but by year 2 or even mid season it will probably be working out well.
Pats from what I have seen in the past typically take their top CB matched up on WR 2 (big advantage Pats… especially when they had Gilmore). Then they have a CB/S on the #1 WR all game (disadvantage offense numbers matchup). Thus having two major advantages against the opposing team’s top pass catchers. Effectively rolling coverage to the top target so he never gets a favorable look and leaving their top CB “on an island” in an advantageous matchup against WR2.
 

Jack Burton

Veteran
Peter King:


6. Rookies of the Weekend. Offensive: Chris Olave, New Orleans. Love the pick, love the player. Precise route-runner, going to a team that wants to throw a lot and he’ll be ready to go opening day. Defensive: Derek Stingley, Houston. In five years, we’ll look back at this draft and think Stingley was the best pick of all.
If you scroll down, and there is a ton of info, there’s this gem on grading drafts before players ever even play…

“2019—Clelin Ferrell, Josh Jocobs and Johnathan Abram - NFL.com gave the Raiders a B-plus grade, and Bleacher Report gave them an A. Hey, but go ahead and grade things before players ever take the field for their professional teams.”
 

SnakeEyes

Under NRG
If you scroll down, and there is a ton of info, there’s this gem on grading drafts before players ever even play…

“2019—Clelin Ferrell, Josh Jocobs and Johnathan Abram - NFL.com gave the Raiders a B-plus grade, and Bleacher Report gave them an A. Hey, but go ahead and grade things before players ever take the field for their professional teams.”
More like grade before the ink on the contract is dry and they have their first team issued sweats.
 

DBCooper

Outlaw
Contributor's Club
Stingley will be terrific, as long as he is on the field.
Fingers crossed that will be for at least 90% of the defensive snaps.
He definitely has rare talent.
Totally agree, I still would have taken an option at #3 that didn’t have an injury question mark.

We literally need upgrades at every position.

Thibadeaux
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
He played 3 games on it before he shut down and had surgery. The odds are good he should be good to go. Even Clowney (gag) after he had a year to get everything down and back to 100% was pretty good. He was NOT what he showed in college however, except for his lack of work ethic at 1st. Until JJ all but forced him to do what it takes he was average. So, from a video I watched it seems Stingley is not like Clowney in that respect. Kid likes to work and likes to be ready every single week. I see no lack of ethic to get better, stronger and know what he has to do in any situation. That said, any injury can cause problems. If he is good to go then I'm all for it. But if he pulls up and is hurt again at any point that connects to the foot...I will still wish we had Sauce.

I had Sauce as 1 and Stingley as 2 for CBs in the draft. Honestly, not sure why we had Sauce in and apparently rated so well and didn't take him. His body of work along with his size and speed says he could be better than Stingley if both are 100%. We will see and I support Stingley as a Texan and pray he is CB1 for years to come
I agree Stingley's work ethic is not Clowney's. And that's what will give the best chance to return the best he can be. To clarify, Stingley, in 2021, actually injured his lisfranc in preseason in the beginning of Aug in TC and still tried playing and when he couldn't, still practiced the rest of the month leading to the regular season. And there is good reason to believe that in 2020, besides his high ankle issues, the left foot injury he was dealing with was already a mild lisfranc sprain traumatizing the joint. [The high ankle issues were not doing his foot issue any favors.]
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
They chose Stingley because of the level of competition, meetings and versatility
they will be forever tied to one another.

Gardner has actually faced more competition in big games against SEC powerhouse Alabama and others, more games, more production & improved every season.

Athletic-
As far as narrative and production are concerned, Gardner is ahead. He played his best football in 2021, which coincided with a historic stretch of football for the University of Cincinnati. Stingley, who played in just three games in 2021 because of injury, is now two years removed from his collegiate peak and LSU’s perfect 2019.

Style of play is what attracted Texans to Stingley over Gardner. Both press corners, Stingley style is mirroring the WR, Sauce uses kick slide technique, a more aggressive technique, because of size/speed advantage, which is the reason he keeps close contact with his hands (which has been pointed out repeatedly but is part of that technique, which is why more holding penalties are not called). Anyway, each does what they do best based off physical skill sets. Lovie & Texans prefer a classic mirror technique corner.

Athletic -

Stingley’s approach carries a high degree of difficulty at the professional level, but it is a safe way to eliminate explosive play potential and disrupts the timing for easy throws on the perimeter.

Beauty is in eye of the Defensive Coordinator (Lovie Smith) who best fits the defensive scheme he envisions building. Like I said, they will be forever linked.
:koolaid:
 

Texansphan

Hall of Fame
I know we are all hoping for Stingley to be what we saw he could be in the past, but it is quite obvious that most interviews and articles either totally bypass/ignore or minimize introduction of his lisfranc into the discussion?
Are there discernable degrees of severity for a Linsfranc?
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
Are there discernable degrees of severity for a Linsfranc?
Over the years, I posted quite a bit re. lisfranc injuries. Although many surgeons use Grades I, II, and III to describe the injury, others relate the injuries to 2mm, <2mm, and >2mm separation of the the joint. When open surgery is necessary, you will automatically have to consider the injury severe. Timing of repair of the injury in relationship to original injury, and success of realignment in surgical treatment also has significant effect on prognosis.

Here is an older post of mine in the Injury Thread from Sept 2019 which should be helpful in answering your question.

https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/injury-thread.110817/page-54#post-2994430

[Just a side note: In the video, there are examples of multiple joint involvements...........these are typically seen only in high energy impacts such as seen in car accidents]
 

SnakeEyes

Under NRG
I agree Stingley's work ethic is not Clowney's. And that's what will give the best chance to return the best he can be. To clarify, Stingley, in 2021, actually injured his lisfranc in preseason in the beginning of Aug in TC and still tried playing and when he couldn't, still practiced the rest of the month leading to the regular season. And there is good reason to believe that in 2020, besides his high ankle issues, the left foot injury he was dealing with was already a mild lisfranc sprain traumatizing the joint. [The high ankle issues were not doing his foot issue any favors.]
I think you're right. All about compensation. Be it a to messing with the foot or a foot messing with an ankle and so on. In both directions, some get knee issues or hip. Because they favor the opposite side to take strain of the injury
 

leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!
Nick Caserio surely knows what to do in a war room. He learned from the master of bargain, trade and flat out win draft days...Hoodie himself. Patriots have been masters of it for years. Hoodie is very good at getting players who may not be flashy but if you allow them to do what they do best...you win. We have SB MVP candidates when they were in NE who did 1 thing. What was it? There job plain and simple. If it was on D and they had to contain 1 5yrd area from a RB breaking free and they were only to do that on certain formations. They did it to the letter. They take away the most problematic players and make you win with the others. On both sides of the ball. Ds take away say a RB and WR who are good. The other WRs and TEs are average. Meaning 3 and out most of the time. On offense they take a star DB and make them chase the best WR all day. And then throw or run with everyone else. How good is doing only your job? Ask the SB rings they have won, division titles and AFC titles. Watching last year's team you saw this starting to look like that. Lovie is going to use his system but no question that Nick has explained what NE does. Watching will probably see it in this form next year. Stingley taking 1v1 against the top pass catcher. He will have some growing pains but by year 2 or even mid season it will probably be working out well.
You forgot the Brady part. What happened to Jackson,the wr from Fla or the Bama corner that was cut after his 2nd season after being a 2nd rd pick. The Patriots haven't been a googd drafting team since the early 2000s. Brady covered alot of bad draft picks they had especially at the skill position. When some of these picks become probowl or all pro players, then let me know.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
You forgot the Brady part. What happened to Jackson,the wr from Fla or the Bama corner that was cut after his 2nd season after being a 2nd rd pick. The Patriots haven't been a googd drafting team since the early 2000s. Brady covered alot of bad draft picks they had especially at the skill position. When some of these picks become probowl or all pro players, then let me know.
Bill Belichick is losing his touch. His low energy level of excitement is boring to say least. His incentive is play your ass off and we’ll trade you to another team and be richly rewarded. What modern day player wants to ball out for this man anymore?

He traded down #21, got cute or greedy, their guy off the board, before later selection #29. Ended up with Cole Strange, 2nd/3rd round grade, to replace Shaq Mason @ RG a top 4 OG in the NFL is another “money driven” move netting only a 5th round pick in return. He gained more picks, so he could screw two more players until their pay day. This type of tactic, will be reviewed on the players next contract. It’s a loophole he uses to get over on the system and keep competitive with overachievers but in this case only hurt his own team.
:joker:
 

leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!
Bill Belichick is losing his touch. His low energy level of excitement is boring to say least. His incentive is play your ass off and we’ll trade you to another team and be richly rewarded. What modern day player wants to ball out for this man anymore?

He traded down #21, got cute or greedy, their guy off the board, before later selection #29. Ended up with Cole Strange, 2nd/3rd round grade, to replace Shaq Mason @ RG a top 4 OG in the NFL is another “money driven” move netting only a 5th round pick in return. He gained more picks, so he could screw two more players until their pay day. This type of tactic, will be reviewed on the players next contract. It’s a loophole he uses to get over on the system and keep competitive with overachievers but in this case only hurt his own team.
:joker:
That was the norm. They traded out of the 1st when Matthews was sitting there and they needed a pass rusher. N'Keel Henry was the 1st wr taken before DK and AJ Brown. For years they were trading down accumilating picks only to draft a skill position player who couldn't play.
 

JB

Old Curmudgeon
Contributor's Club
Gardner has actually faced more competition in big games against SEC powerhouse Alabama and others, more games, more production & improved every season.
I agree with you on all but this... Gardner faced Alabama once this past year, other than that the big competition was Houston and Memphis. Cincinnati was dominant to win every game except 2 to Memphis his rookie year and Alabama his last game. Plus he didn't have to go up to anywhere near the daily competition Stingley did

They will be forever linked
 

SnakeEyes

Under NRG
Bill Belichick is losing his touch. His low energy level of excitement is boring to say least. His incentive is play your ass off and we’ll trade you to another team and be richly rewarded. What modern day player wants to ball out for this man anymore?

He traded down #21, got cute or greedy, their guy off the board, before later selection #29. Ended up with Cole Strange, 2nd/3rd round grade, to replace Shaq Mason @ RG a top 4 OG in the NFL is another “money driven” move netting only a 5th round pick in return. He gained more picks, so he could screw two more players until their pay day. This type of tactic, will be reviewed on the players next contract. It’s a loophole he uses to get over on the system and keep competitive with overachievers but in this case only hurt his own team.
:joker:
That is getting more true every year. But, he still was a great master of draft day dealing when Nick Caserio was there and helped him build a couple of SB contender teams and at least 1 winner.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
I agree with you on all but this... Gardner faced Alabama once this past year, other than that the big competition was Houston and Memphis. Cincinnati was dominant to win every game except 2 to Memphis his rookie year and Alabama his last game. Plus he didn't have to go up to anywhere near the daily competition Stingley did

They will be forever linked
 
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beerlover

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That is getting more true every year. But, he still was a great master of draft day dealing when Nick Caserio was there and helped him build a couple of SB contender teams and at least 1 winner.
Maybe he misses NC?
Linebacker was a need heading into the draft, and the Patriots didn’t pick a single one. Vice president of player personnel Matt Groh expressed confidence in the linebackers on the roster, but both inside and outside linebacker are still question marks on the roster.
Meanwhile NC selected Christian Harris, LB Alabama #75. Bellichick took Houston Cougar CB Marcus Jones #85 because he passed on the #3 CB in the draft Trent McDuffie to trade back then squander those selections. Which was to your point they don’t always draft well.
 
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steelbtexan

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Contributor's Club
Maybe he misses NC?
Linebacker was a need heading into the draft, and the Patriots didn’t pick a single one. Vice president of player personnel Matt Groh expressed confidence in the linebackers on the roster, but both inside and outside linebacker are still question marks on the roster.
Meanwhile NC selected Christian Harris, LB Alabama #75. Bellichick took Houston Cougar CB Marcus Jones #85 because he passed on the #3 CB in the draft Trent McDuffie to trade back then squander those selections. Which was to your point they don’t always draft well.
I don't believe the pick was squandered. Strange is going to be a long time starter.

I think Jones has a chance to be as good as McDuffie.

Of course I'm higher on these guys than the draftnik community.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
Seahawks had themselves a fine draft off the back of Russell Wilson.

1 (9)
Charles Cross, OT, Mississippi State
2 (40)
Boye Mafe, Edge, Minnesota
2 (41)
Kenneth Walker III, RB, Michigan State
3 (72)
Abraham Lucas, OT, Washington State
4 (109)
Coby Bryant, CB, Cincinnati
5 (153)
Tariq Woolen, CB, UTSA
5 (158)
Tyreke Smith, Edge, Ohio State
7 (229)
Bo Melton, WR, Rutgers
7 (233)
Dareke Young, WR, Lenoir-Rhyne
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
Seahawks had themselves a fine draft off the back of Russell Wilson.

1 (9)
Charles Cross, OT, Mississippi State
2 (40)
Boye Mafe, Edge, Minnesota
2 (41)
Kenneth Walker III, RB, Michigan State
3 (72)
Abraham Lucas, OT, Washington State
4 (109)
Coby Bryant, CB, Cincinnati
5 (153)
Tariq Woolen, CB, UTSA
5 (158)
Tyreke Smith, Edge, Ohio State
7 (229)
Bo Melton, WR, Rutgers
7 (233)
Dareke Young, WR, Lenoir-Rhyne
Yes they did.

Next, they will have to find a QB on a rookie contract and they will be competing in the tough NFC west again.

They aren't going to be good next year and will have the picks to move up and get their guy.

QBs on rookie deals are invaluable.
 


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