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Texans 1.3 Pick Derek Stingley Jr.

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
Would y’all be mad if Stingley didn’t play the first half of the season, but then the second half looked average, no signs of injury, and showed signs of growth?

I think that is what will happen.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Would y’all be mad if Stingley didn’t play the first half of the season, but then the second half looked average, no signs of injury, and showed signs of growth?

I think that is what will happen.
Yes I would be as 3rd pick should not only start day one but be considered 10 year starter. My expectations for Stingley is to not get better annually but progressively deteriorate so game 1 season 1 is a must. Different type of injury could be debatable but not what he's recovering from. As car stereo is making his bones as a GM with Texans this pic needs to be of Star quality.
 

SnakeEyes

Under NRG
Everyone will find this interesting. Stingley vs (some) younger good NFL WRs in college and how well or not so well he did.

 

SnakeEyes

Under NRG
Would y’all be mad if Stingley didn’t play the first half of the season, but then the second half looked average, no signs of injury, and showed signs of growth?

I think that is what will happen.
I want to see no sign of the injury. So, if that is what it takes...do it
 

TheRealJoker

Hall of Fame
Yes I would be as 3rd pick should not only start day one but be considered 10 year starter. My expectations for Stingley is to not get better annually but progressively deteriorate so game 1 season 1 is a must. Different type of injury could be debatable but not what he's recovering from. As car stereo is making his bones as a GM with Texans this pic needs to be of Star quality.
Agreed. Plus add to the fact that the AFC South opponents he will face are run oriented without that superstar #1 WR. He was drafted higher than the WRs he will face 2x/year and should be expected to handle them for as long as he is a Texan.

Do I expect him to lock down Davante Adams this year? No. But that is one matchup. I expect him to lock down Christian Kirk, Michael Pittman and Treylon Burks 2x/year for the duration of his contract.
 

SnakeEyes

Under NRG
Do you have any of him post injuries against those same receivers as that is what matters?
Look at the date of the video. That was a pre-injury Stingley and a legit no NFL time group of WRs (now NFL WRs). Making it a fair comparison seeing nobody had NFL training or NFL conditioning. Which would make them better than they are in the video
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Look at the date of the video. That was a pre-injury Stingley and a legit no NFL time group of WRs (now NFL WRs). Making it a fair comparison seeing nobody had NFL training or NFL conditioning. Which would make them better than they are in the video
Uh no. Measuring them pre-injury and comparing him post injury to them with no injury is not same.
 

SnakeEyes

Under NRG
Uh no. Measuring them pre-injury and comparing him post injury to them with no injury is not same.
Are any of them hurt in the video? No, that's why I posted it. Therefore, it is a fair and equal match up of player vs player. No NFL teachings or conditioning involved. Just straight 1v1.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
No
Are any of them hurt in the video? No, that's why I posted it. Therefore, it is a fair and equal match up of player vs player. No NFL teachings or conditioning involved. Just straight 1v1.
No one cares how he did before the most recent injury. How he performs after is only thing that matters. IMO, he will never be 100% and should degrade seasonally. Still he is ours and I hope he gives us the production that Nick car stereo expected when he drafted him at number three.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
No
No one cares how he did before the most recent injury. How he performs after is only thing that matters. IMO, he will never be 100% and should degrade seasonally. Still he is ours and I hope he gives us the production that Nick car stereo expected when he drafted him at number three.
Or Lovie's expecting, since Lovie worked out both Stingley and Gardner.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
No
No one cares how he did before the most recent injury. How he performs after is only thing that matters. IMO, he will never be 100% and should degrade seasonally. Still he is ours and I hope he gives us the production that Nick car stereo expected when he drafted him at number three.
When what mother nature has given you is subjected to a very serious injury involving ligaments and tendons, the consequences of those injuries have a very high probability that they will never return to the same 100% performance levels before the injury.
 
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CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
Meet our new punt returner Derick Stingley?
"Through his first two seasons at LSU, Stingley was heavily involved in the return game, returning 17 punts for 163 yards during his freshman season and six returns for 97 yards (16.2 average) in 2020.

Stingley did not return punts in his junior season, in large part thanks to playing in just three games due to injury."


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The article is somewhat disengenious when trying to support his return prowess beyond his 2019 season....... by pointing to his 2020 stats (heavily involved?). In reality, 92 of the 97 yds were attained in the first game of the season on one play due to blown coverage. In the other 2 punt return attempts that game, he averaged only 2.5 yds per attempt. His only other 3 punt returns came in a single game the latter part of November of that year, only averaging a little over 1.6 yds per attempt. So 2 games in the entire season where he returned any punts classifies him as "heavily involved in the return game"?

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I am rooting for the kid, but let's not try to justify placing him in unnecessary known high risk situations after recently already coming back from a very significant injury.

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Injuries on NFL punts are up 50%: What's the cause? What's the fix?

Special teams plays account for 30% of ACL tears and 29% of muscle injuries to lower extremities -- even though they represent only 17% of plays in a typical NFL game. Andy Lewis/Icon Sportswire
May 24, 2022
Kevin SeifertESPN Staff Writer

The alarm seemed out of the blue. In the days leading up to Super Bowl LVI on Feb. 13, the NFL's health and safety team issued a call to action in response to a surge in special teams injuries, especially on punts. The rate of missed time for injuries that occurred on punt plays increased by about 50% over the past two seasons, according to league data that up until that point hadn't been widely disseminated.

Before I go back there, I say, 'I don't care about my life.' Every time," Indianapolis Colts return man Nyheim Hines said. "It takes a special person to look up in the air and have a load of people trying to rip your head off."

Speaking in a series of interviews in February, NFL chief medical officer Dr. Allen Sills said the uptick in special teams injuries required "attention immediately" from league decision-makers. But when the NFL's owners, executives and coaches gathered in March for their annual league meetings, there was no consensus on what to do. The NFL largely tabled the concerns amid indecision from the competition committee and pushback from some coaches, who proposed that the spike -- specifically in ACL and soft-tissue injuries -- was the result of pandemic-related roster moves. Special teams plays accounted for 30% of ACL tears and 29% of muscle injuries to lower extremities -- even though they represent only 17% of plays in a typical NFL game.
THE REST OF THE STORY
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
"Through his first two seasons at LSU, Stingley was heavily involved in the return game, returning 17 punts for 163 yards during his freshman season and six returns for 97 yards (16.2 average) in 2020.

Stingley did not return punts in his junior season, in large part thanks to playing in just three games due to injury."


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The article is somewhat disengenious when trying to support his return prowess beyond his 2019 season....... by pointing to his 2020 stats (heavily involved?). In reality, 92 of the 97 yds were attained in the first game of the season on one play due to blown coverage. In the other 2 punt return attempts that game, he averaged only 2.5 yds per attempt. His only other 3 punt returns came in a single game the latter part of November of that year, only averaging a little over 1.6 yds per attempt. So 2 games in the entire season where he returned any punts classifies him as "heavily involved in the return game"?

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I am rooting for the kid, but let's not try to justify placing him in unnecessary known high risk situations after recently already coming back from a very significant injury.

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Injuries on NFL punts are up 50%: What's the cause? What's the fix?

Special teams plays account for 30% of ACL tears and 29% of muscle injuries to lower extremities -- even though they represent only 17% of plays in a typical NFL game. Andy Lewis/Icon Sportswire
May 24, 2022
Kevin SeifertESPN Staff Writer

The alarm seemed out of the blue. In the days leading up to Super Bowl LVI on Feb. 13, the NFL's health and safety team issued a call to action in response to a surge in special teams injuries, especially on punts. The rate of missed time for injuries that occurred on punt plays increased by about 50% over the past two seasons, according to league data that up until that point hadn't been widely disseminated.

Before I go back there, I say, 'I don't care about my life.' Every time," Indianapolis Colts return man Nyheim Hines said. "It takes a special person to look up in the air and have a load of people trying to rip your head off."

Speaking in a series of interviews in February, NFL chief medical officer Dr. Allen Sills said the uptick in special teams injuries required "attention immediately" from league decision-makers. But when the NFL's owners, executives and coaches gathered in March for their annual league meetings, there was no consensus on what to do. The NFL largely tabled the concerns amid indecision from the competition committee and pushback from some coaches, who proposed that the spike -- specifically in ACL and soft-tissue injuries -- was the result of pandemic-related roster moves. Special teams plays accounted for 30% of ACL tears and 29% of muscle injuries to lower extremities -- even though they represent only 17% of plays in a typical NFL game.
THE REST OF THE STORY
I am a stats guy however this is another example of why you have to dig a little bit deeper. As far as punt return I wonder how a rule the ball becomes the dead once it hits the ground? Defense can Rush the kicker and try to block kick or tackle kicker; however there will be no run back or attempt to catch. No extra ground is gained or lost due to the ball bouncing one way or the other.
 


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