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Teddy Bridgewater

Uncle Rico

Uncle Rico

Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
With what Bortles is doing in JAX and his air attack starting to get him mentions with the elite level passers of the game I thought I would bring up my boy Teddy B.

I think what he's done in Minny is impressive. Granted he has the best RB in the game behind him to take off some pressure, he has really lead that team. He has taken his knocks, made some really dumb mistakes, isnt getting the sexy stats, but his team is 10-5. Mediocre defense, and aside from AP and some emerging receivers not many electric offensive stars to keep a defense honest. Middle of the pack offensive line.

So while everyone, myself included looking back would have gone Bortles, say the Texans braintrust fell in love with Bridgewater back then and took him #1 ... would it have been a mistake?
 
Uncle Rico said:
With what Bortles is doing in JAX and his air attack starting to get him mentions with the elite level passers of the game I thought I would bring up my boy Teddy B.

I think what he's done in Minny is impressive. Granted he has the best RB in the game behind him to take off some pressure, he has really lead that team. He has taken his knocks, made some really dumb mistakes, isnt getting the sexy stats, but his team is 10-5. Mediocre defense, and aside from AP and some emerging receivers not many electric offensive stars to keep a defense honest. Middle of the pack offensive line.

So while everyone, myself included looking back would have gone Bortles, say the Texans braintrust fell in love with Bridgewater back then and took him #1 ... would it have been a mistake?
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I'm not impressed with Bridgewater. I never have been. I just don't see the upside that I would expect from a #1 overall pick. While Clowney has been a bust and I didn't want him either, at least I could see the upside. Bridgewater at 33 would have softened that concern, but I still would rather have had the Raiders draft.
 
eriadoc said:
I'm not impressed with Bridgewater. I never have been. I just don't see the upside that I would expect from a #1 overall pick. While Clowney has been a bust and I didn't want him either, at least I could see the upside. Bridgewater at 33 would have softened that concern, but I still would rather have had the Raiders draft.
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If I'm not mistaken OAK has the best pass protecting offensive line in the NFL. Carr has some dynamic receivers. Kid has talent no doubt, but that was NEVER going to happen for this franchise, NEVER.

Mack has been great for a rookie. Even with the anomalous 5 sack game he's been a force for them, I think the small school stigma hurt him a bit as far as a true candidate for top pick, but strictly looking at measurables Clowney was the safe pick, but you know that thing about hindsight right.

Teddy just wins. Always the underdog. Takes rag tag squads and leads them to victories. Upside could be subjective no?
 
Was a big fan of Bridgewater when he came out. Still am. Wouldn't have drafted him #1 but that's only because the general feeling going in was that he was going to fall a bit so you could grab a pass rusher (Clowney/Mack) #1 and then trade back up for Bridgewater.

His stats are limited because he plays a game manager role for a ball control offense. Bortles stats look great, he's also thrown 150 more passes this year and is 2nd in the league in turnovers. Bridgewater has a higher QBR and Rating despite Bortles having thrown for 4,000+ yards and 35 TD's. That tells you a lot about Bridgewater's efficiency. The pure numbers aren't there but the efficiency is.

Bridgewater is 9th in the league in Comp % while Carr is 23rd and Bortles is 30th. This despite Bridgewater having a higher yards per attempt than either of them. For QBR, Bridgewater is 10th in the league while Carr is 24th and Bortles is 25th. No, his numbers are not flashy, but he is efficient and gets the job done and has his team in position for a playoff run.
 
If the Texans were 10-5 against their schedule, we'd be looking for quality wins. & there aren't really any. They got a win over KC... so maybe.

Still, I can't look back at that draft & say we should have drafted Bridgewater #1 overall. My biggest thing was taking players way ahead of where they should go. I know they're not slotted, but there were 10 players, easy that I would have rather had over Teddy Bridgewater.

Then for him to fall where I think he should have been... it doesn't make sense to even think about Bridgewater at 1-1.

That said, his biggest assett was that he was the most NFL ready of the bunch (popular opinion, not mine), every year we get away from the draft it becomes less & less relevant.

Of course, I thought McCarron was the best QB in the draft. I most likely would have panicked & taken him in the second (if not the first). We had heard that OB liked Tom Savage & would possibly take him in the 2nd. So I don't have a problem believing OB took his top rated QB in the 4th.

But then again, some of his other choices at QB isn't very promising for Tom Savage.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Upside could be subjective no?
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Sure, and I'm not going to tell someone that what they see is wrong. That has yet to be determined. I personally just don't ever see Bridgewater being a franchise QB. Bortles doesn't factor into the equation for me, because I didn't want him either. I see the upside there, but I also see greater risk. There simply was not a QB worth taking #1 overall that year, IMO. That doesn't mean one or more of those guys can't go on to have a decent career. I just don't see Super Bowl wins in TB's future (or Bortles), or at least not the type that they're a major catalyst in creating. Just my prediction.

Personally, I wanted Watkins. I knew all along it would never happen, but that was the guy I pegged as being the best at the top of the board. I would have been OK with the Mack selection, just as I am OK with the Clowney selection, but it wouldn't have been who I chose. So it's not like I didn't get it wrong, too. Mack has been great for them, and probably who we should have chosen.
 
eriadoc said:
Sure, and I'm not going to tell someone that what they see is wrong. That has yet to be determined. I personally just don't ever see Bridgewater being a franchise QB. Bortles doesn't factor into the equation for me, because I didn't want him either. I see the upside there, but I also see greater risk. There simply was not a QB worth taking #1 overall that year, IMO. That doesn't mean one or more of those guys can't go on to have a decent career. I just don't see Super Bowl wins in TB's future (or Bortles), or at least not the type that they're a major catalyst in creating. Just my prediction.

Personally, I wanted Watkins. I knew all along it would never happen, but that was the guy I pegged as being the best at the top of the board. I would have been OK with the Mack selection, just as I am OK with the Clowney selection, but it wouldn't have been who I chose. So it's not like I didn't get it wrong, too. Mack has been great for them, and probably who we should have chosen.
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OMG. We've turned into the same guy. Yeah, I was stumping for Watkins but I knew we'd never draft him. I originally hated the idea of Clowney but as the draft got closer, I got alright with it. I would have been OK with one of the linemen, but Mack kinda scared me. I wasn't sure he was ready. I was wrong.

If I had to do it over, I'd probably stump for Watkins or Mack. I'm not sure if I'd trade back up into the first for Bridgewater or stay put and take Carr or Garoppolo.
 
Just imagine, Greg Robinson in the first, Sua-Filo in the second, & Devonta Freeman some time later in that draft.
 
thunderkyss said:
That said, his biggest assett was that he was the most NFL ready of the bunch (popular opinion, not mine), every year we get away from the draft it becomes less & less relevant.
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So 'non NFL ready QBs' are the "in" thing now? Wierd comment. I agree with alot of the rest of the post, I'm looking at Teddy B win games and lead his team into the playoffs when almost everyone here said he'd bust.
 
I would have and still would take TB number one not knowing he'd fall to where he did. At 32 it would've been a no brained.

I think he's just going to keep getting better and better. And right now they don't ask him to do a lot. Similar to what Russell Wilson did when he first got to Seattle. Run oriented attack.

Except teddy got started younger he turned 23 a Month ago.

Carr will be 25 heading into next year, Savage will be 26. Teddy wil be 23. Not a big deal, but I'd take teddy as my franchise qb at 23 with a year and a half starting experience. I think he's got a lot of room to grow and I think once AP starts to age and they put more on teddy's arm then he will put up those sexy stats and show that he is a franchise guy.

I mean, if we're looking back and at where a guy is now, if I'm Minesotta I'm not eagerly trying to get rid of him to go qb hunting again. I'd feel good about the qb situation tbh.

All that said I'd have been fine with any of the qbs in the first two rounds. It's the team's job to identify a guy worth coaching and the. To coach him up.
 
I agree TRu. I would have signed TB at 1 and made everyone laugh and mock. Then in 3 years or so I would be laughing. As I type I watch Teddy B playing a solid PLAYOFF game against Seattle.
 
Uncle Rico said:
I agree TRu. I would have signed TB at 1 and made everyone laugh and mock. Then in 3 years or so I would be laughing. As I type I watch Teddy B playing a solid PLAYOFF game against Seattle.
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Was he really that great though? For a game manager I guess it was a good game overall. Not flashy stats but he completed a little over 70 % of his passes and he didn't do much with his feet (0 yards on 3 official runs). 17-for-24, 146 passing yards. His team only scored 9 points in a loss and he didn't throw a TD pass. His longest past was 24 yards and that was only because Kyle Rudolph made his otherwise unimpressive short and quick pass into that big of a gain by out-leaping past a tackle.

I just have a hard time calling that solid when David Carr was here and he had similar "solid games" with 70 % completions like that here. In one loss, against the Redskins here in Houston I believe it was, Carr had completed 21 passes in a row or something like that. It's not hard to do when all you throw is short stuff. Of course Bridgewater was sacked 3 times for losses of 21 yards. Carr would have doubled or tripled that with our piss poor O-Line back in the day.

Teddy is Teddy. Sure, he'd be better than what we have at the moment. But I'm not sure we'd be a Super Bowl contender with him. He's not elite by any means and he probably never will be. We'll see. We may have a better quarterback than him down the road.

And Teddy Bridgewater actually has a good O-Line, elite running back, stud tight end and many offensive weapons to aid him. I think he should have led his team to a playoff win over the Seahawks yesterday. No excuse for their offense not to have scored more points. It shouldn't have came down to Blair Walsh's choke job on that chip shot field goal. Even Randy Bullock would have made that!
 
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Bulls on Parade said:
And Teddy Bridgewater actually has a good O-Line, elite running back, stud tight end and many offensive weapons to aid him. I think he should have led his team to a playoff win over the Seahawks yesterday. No excuse for their offense not to have scored more points. It shouldn't have came down to Blair Walsh's choke job on that chip shot field goal. Even Randy Bullock would have made that!
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His O-Line is severely overrated. The interior is solid but the OT's are just awful. Just watch Minny run the ball. Up the middle they get solid push and Peterson gets yards after contact. Anything on the edge and Peterson is getting hit in the backfield. I think they ran 5 stretch plays against Seattle and only one got positive yards. They are bad in pass protection. Bridgewater is usually running for his life on anything longer than a 3-step drop. His TE is talented but he's always injured and drops a lot of passes and his only even decent WR is a 5th round rookie. Their WR group is one of the least talented in the league. Until they can get him some pass protection and a weapon or two at WR they will never find out if he's anything more than a game manager.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Was he really that great though? For a game manager I guess it was a good game overall. Not flashy stats but he completed a little over 70 % of his passes and he didn't do much with his feet (0 yards on 3 official runs). 17-for-24, 146 passing yards. His team only scored 9 points in a loss and he didn't throw a TD pass. His longest past was 24 yards and that was only because Kyle Rudolph made his otherwise unimpressive short and quick pass into that big of a gain by out-leaping past a tackle.

I just have a hard time calling that solid when David Carr was here and he had similar "solid games" with 70 % completions like that here. In one loss, against the Redskins here in Houston I believe it was, Carr had completed 21 passes in a row or something like that. It's not hard to do when all you throw is short stuff. Of course Bridgewater was sacked 3 times for losses of 21 yards. Carr would have doubled or tripled that with our piss poor O-Line back in the day.

Teddy is Teddy. Sure, he'd be better than what we have at the moment. But I'm not sure we'd be a Super Bowl contender with him. He's not elite by any means and he probably never will be. We'll see. We may have a better quarterback than him down the road.

And Teddy Bridgewater actually has a good O-Line, elite running back, stud tight end and many offensive weapons to aid him. I think he should have led his team to a playoff win over the Seahawks yesterday. No excuse for their offense not to have scored more points. It shouldn't have came down to Blair Walsh's choke job on that chip shot field goal. Even Randy Bullock would have made that!
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I watched most of that game and no TB is not elite, but he did his job in that game against a very good defense and without having a huge running game supporting him.

On that last drive he did similar to what at the time Non-elite Tom Brady did when he won his first Super Bowl. Game on the line, time running out...drive the length of the field and put his team in position to win the game with an extremely makeable field goal.

I'd prefer elite qb play, but I would take a young player playing like that all day every day.

Also couldn't agree less with him being what he is. He's still really young. He'll be 23 going into next season. He's still got room to grow.
 
I just don't see all the hoopla and hype with Teddy Bridgewater. I've always used that term "Teddy is Teddy" since his Louisville days. I don't mean it as a bad thing.

Would I like Teddy Bridgewater to play for the Texans? Sure. But it didn't happen and I'm okay with that. I still have hope we can find an elite quarterback one day. A guy who is better than Bridgewater.

Guys like Bridgewater you just never know. You may have another Russell Wilson or Cam Newton (different style of play, I know). Or you may have another Robert Griffin III.

The one thing I will say is Bridgewater's pocket awareness seems really good. That bodes well for him for the long haul. He's athletic and intelligent as well. But that being said I still see a lot of short, quick passes for him. Everything seems to be simplified for him.

He's also playing behind a good O-Line, using an elite running back and pro bowl caliber tight end as a security blanket. Granted, Adrian Peterson was shut down by the Seahawks defense but Kyle Rudolph made some amazing plays yesterday (yards after catch) in the passing game otherwise Bridgewater's yards per completion would have been even worse and it wasn't good to begin with.

I just don't know how good Teddy Bridgewater can become. I won't know that until I see him having more reign of his offense. Being able to audible out of plays and having the freedom to throw deep whenever he wants. He seems to be playing so conservatively, like the coaching staff doesn't want him to lose the game.

The Seahawks defense is really good. I get that. But I also felt the Vikings offense should have scored more points yesterday. And they probably could have if Bridgewater was given more freedom to throw deep. Test that strong arm.

I hate all of that short passing game stuff I see from Teddy.
The Vikings coaching staff needs to take the diapers off him.
Let's see Teddy play some ball. The kid is talented but he's limited.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I just don't see all the hoopla and hype with Teddy Bridgewater. I've always used that term "Teddy is Teddy" since his Louisville days. I don't mean it as a bad thing.

Would I like Teddy Bridgewater to play for the Texans? Sure. But it didn't happen and I'm okay with that. I still have hope we can find an elite quarterback one day. A guy who is better than Bridgewater.

Guys like Bridgewater you just never know. You may have another Russell Wilson or Cam Newton (different style of play, I know). Or you may have another Robert Griffin III.

The one thing I will say is Bridgewater's pocket awareness seems really good. That bodes well for him for the long haul. He's athletic and intelligent as well. But that being said I still see a lot of short, quick passes for him. Everything seems to be simplified for him.

He's also playing behind a good O-Line, using an elite running back and pro bowl caliber tight end as a security blanket. Granted, Adrian Peterson was shut down by the Seahawks defense but Kyle Rudolph made some amazing plays yesterday (yards after catch) in the passing game otherwise Bridgewater's yards per completion would have been even worse and it wasn't good to begin with.

I just don't know how good Teddy Bridgewater can become. I won't know that until I see him having more reign of his offense. Being able to audible out of plays and having the freedom to throw deep whenever he wants. He seems to be playing so conservatively, like the coaching staff doesn't want him to lose the game.

The Seahawks defense is really good. I get that. But I also felt the Vikings offense should have scored more points yesterday. And they probably could have if Bridgewater was given more freedom to throw deep. Test that strong arm.

I hate all of that short passing game stuff I see from Teddy.
The Vikings coaching staff needs to take the diapers off him.
Let's see Teddy play some ball. The kid is talented but he's limited.
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I think he's a solid young qb.

I want one of those.

No hoopla. No hype.
 
My knock on Teddy was that he didn't fit the "profile" of a top 5 pick. Small School, small dude.

After he fell past 19, I thought he presented great value & couldn't believe we didn't trade up to get him.

However, if I were in control of the draft, I wouldn't have taken him either because I'd be worried that his frail frame wouldn't be able to take NFL contact.

So.... last two seasons, he's proven me wrong on that so far. Year three, if I'm right, he's going to start looking at that pass rush a lot more than his receivers. Not that I wish that on anyone. I hope he does well. So I'm saying I was wrong.

What really hurts, is that the prototypical guy we drafted can't make it through a game much less a season without getting hurt.
 
What plagued TB in college has followed him to the pro's to a certain extent. Dude had no help at the skill positions in Louisville. Other than AP where are these offensive weapons that people talk about? Teddy was the most pro ready QB in that draft class and he's the first one to make the playoffs. Coincidence? Give the guy a viable WR corp and who knows what he could do.

Im not banging the 'he shoulda been a texan' drum, I'm just happy he's finding some success. Its a good story.

I was never concerned with his durability. He played hurt. I've seen him take some hellacious hits only to get up and ask for more.


When I said 'solid' I meant that against a champion NFL defense he didnt shrink in the moment. He was getting nothing from the run game and he had to play smart and take what the defense gave, which really wasnt much. He made the plays that were there to be made and in crunch time he lead his squad down the field and set them up for what should have been the game winner. Apart from kicking the ball himself nothing more that Teddy could have done.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Congrats to Teddy Ballgame for making his first Pro Bowl!
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Not to take anything away from Bridgewater or Carr, but did they actually make the Pro Bowl or were they just selected after everyone and their dog declined? I have a big problem with the 7th or 8th best QB "making" the Pro Bowl, but maybe that's just me.

Again, that doesn't take away from the fact that they both had very good seasons.
 
eriadoc said:
Not to take anything away from Bridgewater or Carr, but did they actually make the Pro Bowl or were they just selected after everyone and their dog declined? I have a big problem with the 7th or 8th best QB "making" the Pro Bowl, but maybe that's just me.

Again, that doesn't take away from the fact that they both had very good seasons.
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They were 1st alternates.
 
eriadoc said:
OK, I went and looked it up myself. Here is the original QB lineup:

Quarterbacks

Tom Brady, Patriots

Cam Newton, Panthers

Carson Palmer, Cardinals

Aaron Rodgers, Packers

Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers

Russell Wilson, Seahawks

Now there are three replacements (Tyrod Taylor, Carr, Bridgewater). So 9 QBs out of 32 teams made the Pro Bowl.

On a completely unrelated note, my son's graduating class had 17 valedictorians. True story.
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Still top 10 QBs for this season. From my perspective of having the probable 32nd QB on that list just hand a playoff game to the Chiefs on a silver platter, I'll take no. 8 or 9 on that list. (And 32nd is just a guess because I would not doubt that some backup QBs would make the list before Hoyerable.)
 
infantrycak said:
Then how are they selecting? What 18 was too many?
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Probably ought to move this sub-thread into the NSZ, but here's an article talking about it being all straight A students, and here's an essay in support of the multiple valedictorian movement. While I understand their points and even agree with a couple elements, their argument falls short for me.

To keep this on track, Teddy B., Carr, and Tyrod Taylor would be guys that weren't the best, but had high GPAs, I guess. Since All Pro would be the true valedictorian, I suppose the analogy works. My annoyance with the reserve guys making it in really stems from the artificial inclusion of those reserves by automatically adding two of them to replace the Super Bowl QBs, since they moved the Pro Bowl game. It's not that they aren't worthy of being at the game or anything, it's just that they weren't quite good enough to make the elite cut, but then got added because of an asinine decision by the NFL.
 
The Pro Bowl as an actual game is silly anyway. Football can't be done half-arsed. Just make it a giant skills competition between all the selected players and have fun with it. Make these guys NFL American Gladiators. It's how they're presented/how we view them generally anyway and it'd be fun TV.
 
Thx. My kids have pretty much had one rule - bring home A's and we can have any fun you want. Bear started college as a sophmore and Dalton is on his way. They've been so easy.

I'm teaching Dalton to run his WRX. He's earned it. I'm having a tough time with Bear. She wants my motorcycle and I think her mom might shoot me.

Total aside - what makes women so trusting? I would never get on the back of a motorcycle except for 2 people.
 
Mollywhopper said:
The Pro Bowl as an actual game is silly anyway. Football can't be done half-arsed. Just make it a giant skills competition between all the selected players and have fun with it. Make these guys NFL American Gladiators. It's how they're presented/how we view them generally anyway and it'd be fun TV.
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I think they should cancel the probowl game all together. Instead, the #1 team in the draft & a lottery style picked other top 10 team should play for draft position. So let's say it's the Cowboys win the lottery & get to play for the #1 overall pick. They win, they pick #1, the Titans pick at 4 (or where ever the Cowboys are.)
 
To expand a little on what I posted above, think about it in these terms:

Does anyone really consider Vinny Testaverde a HOF QB? What about Drew Bledsoe? Kerry Collins? Matt Hasselbeck? Dave Krieg? These are all guys that are in the top 20 all-time passing, each made 2-4 Pro Bowls, and have pretty good career numbers. A couple of them have Super Bowl appearances on their record. Any given year of their career, they might have been one of the best 2-3 QBs in the game that year. Now imagine of the NFL had been doing this idiotic Pro Bowl between the playoffs and Super Bowl move during those guys' careers. Maybe instead of making 3 Pro Bowls, they make 6. A couple of those borderline guys might start to look more attractive to the voters. We have the luxury of looking back on their career through a different prism now, but Vince Young's career bio doesn't say Pro Bowl alternate. It just says Pro Bowl. Never mind the fact that he wasn't one of the very best QBs that year. Chris Chandler made a couple Pro Bowls and a Super Bowl. He had at least two other years where he could have been considered for the Pro Bowl.

I don't know. I'm probably just tilting at windmills anyway, but the watering down of honors just sort of annoys me.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think they should cancel the probowl game all together. Instead, the #1 team in the draft & a lottery style picked other top 10 team should play for draft position. So let's say it's the Cowboys win the lottery & get to play for the #1 overall pick. They win, they pick #1, the Titans pick at 4 (or where ever the Cowboys are.)
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I don't hate that idea yet.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think they should cancel the probowl game all together. Instead, the #1 team in the draft & a lottery style picked other top 10 team should play for draft position. So let's say it's the Cowboys win the lottery & get to play for the #1 overall pick. They win, they pick #1, the Titans pick at 4 (or where ever the Cowboys are.)
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That would be fun....

Only thing is with teams that that bad often times you'll have several coaches and players who won't be there next season anyways.

Why would they care about winning so the franchise can get the number 1 pick?

"Coach this extra game at the end of the season and get us the number one pick...Then we're going to fire your ass"
 
Mollywhopper said:
The Pro Bowl as an actual game is silly anyway. Football can't be done half-arsed. Just make it a giant skills competition between all the selected players and have fun with it. Make these guys NFL American Gladiators. It's how they're presented/how we view them generally anyway and it'd be fun TV.
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The Pro Bowl should be an exhibition after the Super Bowl.
The worst two teams should play for an extra draft pick between playoffs and SB. At least that would make a game out of it.
 
Really don't like the idea of having additional gimmick games. Collision sports don't need additional unnecessary collisions.

And you're really not going to get paid grown men to give a rip to hit one another over a hypothetical unproven rookie.
 
Beer and Metal said:
The Pro Bowl should be an exhibition after the Super Bowl.
The worst two teams should play for an extra draft pick between playoffs and SB. At least that would make a game out of it.
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The Pro Bowl was conceived at a time where the extra income was needed for the non skill positions. That is far from true now.

Just throw a Pro Bowl Banquet and dispense with the game.
 
It's still sad to see how some people will go out of their way to try and diminish what Teddy B is doing in the league thus far.
 
Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr and Jameis Winston are in the pro bowl? What??!! Were they that far down the pecking order in terms of replacing all of the deserving guys? I guess if another 14 or so guys decided not to go for whatever reason maybe Brian Hoyer had a chance. LOL
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr and Jameis Winston are in the pro bowl? What??!! Were they that far down the pecking order in terms of replacing all of the deserving guys? I guess if another 14 or so guys decided not to go for whatever reason maybe Brian Hoyer had a chance. LOL
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Bridgewater and Carr were first Alternates. Not sure about Jameis.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Bridgewater and Carr were first Alternates. Not sure about Jameis.
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Blake Bortles had a monster 2015 season. Stats wise, he was a pro bowler this past season. I didn't hear his name or did he bow out of the pro bowl? Looking back, did we make a mistake selecting Jadeveon Clowney #1 overall? There were three franchise quarterbacks in that draft. Also Khalil Mack, thus far, has been the best defensive player from that draft a couple of years ago.
 
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