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So the NFL wants the Cowboys in the SB

Every NFC team had better take notice. They're going to have to smoke the Cowboys if they don't want to have to beat the refs too. The Lions likely win that game if that pass interference call isn't called back. Even if they only get a FG on that drive and the Cowboys score a TD still, all they need is a FG to win. Going down the field to get a FG is a lot easier to do than to get a TD. The LIons got all the way to the 50, but were throwing way down the field.

The way the refs cheated them out of that interference call and then called like 4 straight penalties on the Lions on that next drive to keep the drive alive twice on 3rd and 4th down was way to obvious. Horrible to watch. Momentum is everything in the playoffs, and the refs won that game. The Lions simply lost to the refs.
 
naaa they just don't want the lions in it


Boys vs greenbay will be the fair and square game

this will be the real test for Dallas
 
It was bad officiating across the board. Among others Mike Perreira's noted there should have been a roughing the kicker call against the Lions. Bad game for the refs wit bad calls and non calls both ways.
 
infantrycak said:
It was bad officiating across the board. Among others Mike Perreira's noted there should have been a roughing the kicker call against the Lions. Bad game for the refs wit bad calls and non calls both ways.
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Yes, seems like we saw the same game.
 
The only reason I want to see the Cowpatties in the super bowl is to watch them lose by 150 thousand points.
 
It wasn't just a pass interference, -----it was defensive holding and PI on the same play.

And u pick up the flag mm. Kay:fingergun:

Wtf?
 
I have to admit that I wanted the Cowboys to win...

Reason is that I would have HATED to see Suh suceed...

Now I'm forced to cheer for the Patriots... tough one :I
 
Doesn't matter, Rodgers will put an end to the farce that is the Cowboys next week. then the Cowboys will have the same first round wins the Texans do in the last 20 years...

Then Cowboy fans will fall back in the Championships they won over 20+ years ago, and we will continue to laugh at them...
 
infantrycak said:
It was bad officiating across the board. Among others Mike Perreira's noted there should have been a roughing the kicker call against the Lions. Bad game for the refs wit bad calls and non calls both ways.
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Would love to see a replay of the roughing noncall. If its the play I am thinking about, I thought they would throw a flag and it would be a bad call and was pleasantly surprised when one wasn't thrown.
 
Lions stud dline killed that highly-publisized Dallas OLine and Detroit basically outplayed
them but without a nuetral officiating crew it's tough to win a game like that.
 
Texecutioner said:
The way the refs cheated them out of that interference call and then called like 4 straight penalties on the Lions on that next drive to keep the drive alive twice on 3rd and 4th down was way to obvious. Horrible to watch. Momentum is everything in the playoffs, and the refs won that game. The Lions simply lost to the refs.
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Just to play off this, an interesting look at how it affected the Lions' Win Probability. The red line is the non-call, the green is what would have happened had they made the call.

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Win Probability is defined by them as, "the probability that a team will win a game in progress, given a particular combination of circumstances including score, time remaining, field position, down, and to go distance. WP is based on a model built on actual outcomes of NFL games from recent seasons that featured similar circumstances."

This was a controversial call by the officials, to say the least. So the question is, how big was this call on the outcome of the game? The Cowboys went on to win, but that doesn't mean the call caused DET to lose with certainty. Either outcome was still possible after the call. We need to think of things probabilistically. Let's break down the effect of the official's call using the new Win Probability Model. After picking up the flag, DET had a 0.672 win probability (WP). Had the pass interference penalty been enforced, DET had a 0.794 WP, a difference of about 0.12 WP or 12 percentage points. That's a big play, but not decisive. To put it in perspective, Stafford's 21-yard pass to Fuller in the 4th quarter to get out from under the shadow of DET's own end zone was worth 0.10 win probability added (WPA). Stafford's 19-yard pass to Johnson in the 3rd quarter on 3rd and 9 was a 0.11 WPA play.

A 0.10 WPA play is a significant event, and although I don't mean to minimize the unprecedented nature of that non-penalty, DET still had the upper hand in the game following the call. But if I were a Lions fan I'd have some very strong feelings about the way that game unfolded, and I think I'd have good reason to be upset.
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http://www.advancedfootballanalytic...eversed-penalty-affect-the-lions-cowboys-game
 
The Lions were up by two TDs at one point in the game. One play did not cause them to lose. That's just a cop-out, and I'm far from a Cowboys fan.

I saw bad officiating all game that both sides could bitch and whine about today.

At the end of the day, though, the Lions choked away a two score lead. It's that simple.
 
Double Barrel said:
The Lions were up by two TDs at one point in the game. One play did not cause them to lose. That's just a cop-out, and I'm far from a Cowboys fan.

I saw bad officiating all game that both sides could bitch and whine about today.

At the end of the day, though, the Lions choked away a two score lead. It's that simple.
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Agree - the refs didn't have their punter shank a 10 yarder...Or the Lion O-line crumbling when they STILL had a chance to drive the field and steal the game. But man that non-call is just frigging awful.

Game certainly will be talked about for years, and Lions fans will realize what a blown season this was if they lose Suh.
 
I know bad calls effect games. As old Oiler fans here, we all remember January 6, 1980 in Pittsburgh, a day that shall live in infamy.

At the risk of being called a Cowboy Hater which seems to be the favorite phrase of Dallas fans, I offer my assessment of the controversial play.

I think it is beyond debate that the Dallas defender was holding the jersey of the Lion receiver, thus defensive holding should have been called. It is reasonable to say the Lion receiver made contact with the facemask of the Dallas defender.

The DPI is irrelevant at this point because the two fouls noted above would be offsetting nullifying the play. It would be 3rd & 1 for Detroit.

But since DPI was called on the play, it prompted Dez Bryant to come on to the field of play without his helmet to protest the call. This is an unsportsmanlike penalty that was not called. If it happened after the whistle was blown, the play would be dead and this would be a dead ball foul and I may be incorrect here, but I believe that would not be involved in the two offsetting calls and the Lions would be awarded with a 15 yard penalty and 1st down.

If my understanding of the unsportsmanlike penalty is incorrect, the correct call should have been offsetting penalties and a 3rd and 1 for the Lions.

Article 14:
Twisting, Pulling, or Turning the Facemask.
No player shall grasp and control,
twist, turn, push, or pull the
facemask of an opponent in any direction.
Note: If a player grasps an opponent’s facemask, he must immediately release it. If he does not immediately release it and
controls his opponent, it is a foul.
Penalty: For twisting, turning, pushing, pulling,
or controlling the mask: Loss of 15 yards. The player may be
disqualified if the action is flagrant. If the foul is by the defense, it is also an automatic first down

Section 3
Unsportsmanlike Conduct
Article 1: Prohibited Acts
(h) Removal of his helmet by a player in the field of play or the end zone
during a celebration or demonstration, or during a confrontation with a game official or any other player.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook
 
Gotta give Lions and Caldwell a lot of credit - they have handled this a hell of lot better than I would have. And GW, I remember that Renfro play like it was yesterday. I can't remember many family birthdays, I forget appts, but I can't forget a ref screwing my team. I need help.
 
gwallaia said:
I know bad calls effect games. As old Oiler fans here, we all remember January 6, 1980 in Pittsburgh, a day that shall live in infamy.

At the risk of being called a Cowboy Hater which seems to be the favorite phrase of Dallas fans, I offer my assessment of the controversial play.

I think it is beyond debate that the Dallas defender was holding the jersey of the Lion receiver, thus defensive holding should have been called. It is reasonable to say the Lion receiver made contact with the facemask of the Dallas defender.

The DPI is irrelevant at this point because the two fouls noted above would be offsetting nullifying the play. It would be 3rd & 1 for Detroit.

But since DPI was called on the play, it prompted Dez Bryant to come on to the field of play without his helmet to protest the call. This is an unsportsmanlike penalty that was not called. If it happened after the whistle was blown, the play would be dead and this would be a dead ball foul and I may be incorrect here, but I believe that would not be involved in the two offsetting calls and the Lions would be awarded with a 15 yard penalty and 1st down.

If my understanding of the unsportsmanlike penalty is incorrect, the correct call should have been offsetting penalties and a 3rd and 1 for the Lions.

Article 14:
Twisting, Pulling, or Turning the Facemask.
No player shall grasp and control,
twist, turn, push, or pull the
facemask of an opponent in any direction.
Note: If a player grasps an opponent’s facemask, he must immediately release it. If he does not immediately release it and
controls his opponent, it is a foul.
Penalty: For twisting, turning, pushing, pulling,
or controlling the mask: Loss of 15 yards. The player may be
disqualified if the action is flagrant. If the foul is by the defense, it is also an automatic first down

Section 3
Unsportsmanlike Conduct
Article 1: Prohibited Acts
(h) Removal of his helmet by a player in the field of play or the end zone
during a celebration or demonstration, or during a confrontation with a game official or any other player.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook
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Nice analysis
 
gwallaia said:
But since DPI was called on the play, it prompted Dez Bryant to come on to the field of play without his helmet to protest the call. This is an unsportsmanlike penalty that was not called. If it happened after the whistle was blown, the play would be dead and this would be a dead ball foul and I may be incorrect here, but I believe that would not be involved in the two offsetting calls and the Lions would be awarded with a 15 yard penalty and 1st down.
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Blandino said players removing their helmets is not an automatic penalty, it's discretionary. First I've heard of that, but it does seem to be the way it is practiced.

Overall he said they missed a hold, the DPI could have gone either way and Bryant's helmet was discretionary. Net, they got it wrong.

Now, according to the wording of the rule you posted, Bryant didn't violate it at all. He had his helmet off. He did not remove it while either on the field of play or while confronting the official.

Blandino made another point for the conspiracy theorists. They did a review and gave the Lions a 1st down earlier in the game when the call on the field was short. If you were fixing the game, you wouldn't do that.
 
I have not watched the Blandino video you mentioned but I think I saw it headlined on the ESPN website. I'll take a few minutes this evening to watch it.

I'm not one of the people who believe the NFL is rigged. This play has gotten so much attention and dissection that it has overshadowed any other questionable calls of the game.

As an aside, the NFL rule book can be viewed at http://www.nfl.com/rulebook. It's actually interesting reading for a football nerd like myself.

Edit: I just watched this video and a former NFL ref states his opinion the Dez Bryant no call.http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story...-missed-vs-dallas-cowboys-lb-anthony-hitchens
 
I don't think the NFL is rigged at all, but I do think the refs err on the side of the offense consciously. If there's a question, they side with more offense. And I believe that to be directed from above. JMO.
 
I think it's gonna be the Cowgirls against Neck beard and the Colts. I don't think they are the best teams, but I see those two O-Lines get away with the worst tackles, uh I mean holds, uh I mean best blocking. You could throw in a couple of mysterious 3rd down penalties that keep thier drives alive as well.

Luck and Romo get an extra second or two on most plays.

I'm just sayin.......
 
Big Lou said:
I think it's gonna be the Cowgirls against Neck beard and the Colts. I don't think they are the best teams, but I see those two O-Lines get away with the worst tackles, uh I mean holds, uh I mean best blocking. You could throw in a couple of mysterious 3rd down penalties that keep thier drives alive as well.

Luck and Romo get an extra second or two on most plays.

I'm just sayin.......
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Luck isn't getting past Manning and Brady back to back.
 
As a Cowboy fan I admit we got lucky in some respects. It was a PI or a hold. It was a hold on Suh. Heck I thought Tyron Smith hooked the Lions players and held big as hell on the last TD. But if there was a conspiracy why would they give the Lions a two TD advantage to start? There were also a lot of questionable calls against the Cowboys early. Those saying that Dallas got every call down the stretch...true it seems. But the two PI/holding calls were legit. The RB got tackled and the other guy was held big time. Overall the refs/umps were subpar and horrible all around. On the last Lions drive I'd say that if you add the facemask pull....which is an auto penalty...on the TE and the hold before that you get the Lions at 3rd and 1 a second time with off setting penalties. Still a better chance to put the game away but not automatic.
 
HoustonFrog said:
As a Cowboy fan I admit we got lucky in some respects. It was a PI or a hold. It was a hold on Suh. Heck I thought Tyron Smith hooked the Lions players and held big as hell on the last TD. But if there was a conspiracy why would they give the Lions a two TD advantage to start? There were also a lot of questionable calls against the Cowboys early. Those saying that Dallas got every call down the stretch...true it seems. But the two PI/holding calls were legit. The RB got tackled and the other guy was held big time. Overall the refs/umps were subpar and horrible all around. On the last Lions drive I'd say that if you add the facemask pull....which is an auto penalty...on the TE and the hold before that you get the Lions at 3rd and 1 a second time with off setting penalties. Still a better chance to put the game away but not automatic.
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:tiphat:
 
HoustonFrog said:
As a Cowboy fan I admit we got lucky in some respects. It was a PI or a hold. It was a hold on Suh. Heck I thought Tyron Smith hooked the Lions players and held big as hell on the last TD. But if there was a conspiracy why would they give the Lions a two TD advantage to start? There were also a lot of questionable calls against the Cowboys early. Those saying that Dallas got every call down the stretch...true it seems. But the two PI/holding calls were legit. The RB got tackled and the other guy was held big time. Overall the refs/umps were subpar and horrible all around. On the last Lions drive I'd say that if you add the facemask pull....which is an auto penalty...on the TE and the hold before that you get the Lions at 3rd and 1 a second time with off setting penalties. Still a better chance to put the game away but not automatic.
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:tiphat:
 
So the NFL wants the Cowboys in the SB
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When I read this thread's title, I think the NFL wants to make money. Lots of it.

And the Cowboys winning a SB would certainly be good for business. The Cowboys travel well, and their gear would sell like crazy if they won it all.

So, in that regard, the NFL "wants the Cowboys in the SB", just like they want any of their big market premier teams in the SB. It's good for their bottom line.

However, the day that we find out that the league is actively influencing games with official calls and stacking the deck, is the day that I quit being an NFL fan. I would no longer be able to watch the product if the outcome is nothing more than a predetermined agenda like pro wrestling.

I have to believe that the games themselves still have integrity and outcomes are determined by the players and coaches themselves. Otherwise, it would all be quite pointless to me.
 
Double Barrel said:
When I read this thread's title, I think the NFL wants to make money. Lots of it.

And the Cowboys winning a SB would certainly be good for business. The Cowboys travel well, and their gear would sell like crazy if they won it all.

So, in that regard, the NFL "wants the Cowboys in the SB", just like they want any of their big market premier teams in the SB. It's good for their bottom line.

However, the day that we find out that the league is actively influencing games with official calls and stacking the deck, is the day that I quit being an NFL fan. I would no longer be able to watch the product if the outcome is nothing more than a predetermined agenda like pro wrestling.

I have to believe that the games themselves still have integrity and outcomes are determined by the players and coaches themselves. Otherwise, it would all be quite pointless to me.
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^^^ This

I don't think any player is going to risk injury and millions on a fixed game. Most of them love it for game. It's be like asking Argentina to throw a game to Brazil in the world cup. Each and every week
 
So the NFL wants the Cowboys in the SB
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Pool Report from the Dallas Cowboys-Green Bay Packers Game with Referee Gene Steratore
GREEN BAY PACKERS vs. DALLAS COWBOYS, Jan. 11, 2015, at Green Bay, Wis.

REFEREE GENE STERATORE:
(on the call on the field after Dez Bryant caught the ball at the 1-yard line) “The call was a completed catch down at the 1-yard line…which is why it was a coach’s challenge as opposed to a booth review, because it was still a ruling down on the field of play.”

(on if he (McCarthy) was challenging whether it was a catch) “Yes.”

(on what was the determining factor in calling that an incomplete pass) “Although the receiver is possessing the football, he must maintain possession of that football throughout the entire process of the catch. In our judgment, he maintained possession but continued to fall and never had another act common to the game. We deemed that by our judgment to be the full process of the catch, and at the time he lands and the ball hits the ground, it comes loose as it hits the ground, which would make that incomplete; although he re-possesses it, it does contact the ground when he reaches so the repossession is irrelevant because it was ruled an incomplete pass when we had the ball hit the ground.”

(on if Bryant’s elbow hit the ground before the ball did) “When you’re still going through the process of the catch, elbows or knees are irrelevant, he must complete that entire process with the football, maintain possession throughout.”

(so it was clear to both you and New York that the ball did hit the ground?) “Correct.”

(on if he was able to see the ball hitting the ground on multiple angles) “Yes, there were a couple of angles that show the ball actually hitting the ground and then the receiver losing possession of it as well.”

(on who makes the final decision on the call, is it New York or is it a joint decision) “It’s a joint decision (between the game officials and Vice President of Officiating Dean Blandino in New York). Now we’re fortunate to have the ability to communicate with New York and have additional input, which helps with judgment, as a referee on the field and in the booth, to be able to have that communication. It’s a joint effort.”

(on the unnecessary roughness call on T.J. Lang) “The play had ended, forward progress was ruled, the officials were blowing their whistle well after forward progress was ruled, so now you have the play ending because of the progress. Once that play ends, and there was a more than a very brief period of time, there was an extended period of time after the ruling of forward progress, then you had an unnecessary roughness penalty, so that down counts. Because it was finished, completely finished, it wasn’t an act immediately after it was down, there was space in between, so now that down will count. The 15-yard penalty takes it back to the 22-yard line, that’s why we had third down as opposed to second down, or have a foul that would have repeated the down.”
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Yeah, what happened this week? The NFL changed their minds? Or is that ref getting called up from the league office and getting chewed out? Everyone knows the league was dying to have the Cowboys in the SB.
 
Texecutioner said:
Yeah, what happened this week? The NFL changed their minds? Or is that ref getting called up from the league office and getting chewed out? Everyone knows the league was dying to have the Cowboys in the SB.
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Lol cowgirls. Live by the zebra, die by the zebra.
 
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Wonder what the refs were looking at on that play? The ball hit the ground twice there, they looked at it and still called it a catch. Maybe the NFL wants Mr. MVP in the Super Bowl.
 
Speedy said:
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Wonder what the refs were looking at on that play? The ball hit the ground twice there, they looked at it and still called it a catch. Maybe the NFL wants Mr. MVP in the Super Bowl.
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Yup they clearly blew that one.
 
Waahhhhhhhh, Waahhhhhhhh ! Yep right on cue, cry-baby Cowboys fans, playing their role as the most insufferable fan base out there and Karma is a ***** isn't it after that gift in the Lions game, thank god we won't have to hear about them being in the SB this year, maybe they can make it sometime this centruy ? Mean while all they've done lately is to make it to the divisional round of the POs and lose, sonmething the Texans have already done a couple times this century.
 
IDEXAN said:
Waahhhhhhhh, Waahhhhhhhh ! Yep right on cue, cry-baby Cowboys fans, playing their role as the most insufferable fan base out there and Karma is a ***** isn't it after that gift in the Lions game, thank god we won't have to hear about them being in the SB this year, maybe they can make it sometime this centruy ? Mean while all they've done lately is to make it to the divisional round of the POs and lose, sonmething the Texans have already done a couple times this century.
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The Cowboys were saying this to the Lions last week and I think Karma has a funny way of returning favors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlcYw3Pg4jY
 
I shared my thoughts on Facebook last night and decided to post here as well. If you have a couple of spare hours, enjoy!


What's on my mind? My Cowboys! It was a great season, full of fun and an opportunity to meet new friends. On all the visits to AT&T Stadium, we had an opportunity to not only meet fans in Cowboys Nation, we had many pleasant meetings and photo opportunities with opposing fans.

I have changed my cover photo and profile picture many times to reflect on the things I experienced during the season. Our first home game against the 49ers was a loss that turned out somewhat respectable considering how we started. The Niner fans showed up and showed out. The same with Texans fans. OMG, I have never seen as many trucks on I45 North when traveling to Dallas than the evening before the Texans games. The game turned into a battle into overtime, and of course my most memorable occasion was when Tony Romo was able to avoid a sack by the best defensive player IMO in the NFL. Sorry, Watt, but that was priceless.

Fast forward to the really special trip, which was to London. It was special to make it happen because one of our cousins suggested that we make the trip. I thought it was a nice thought, but wasn't committed. Unfortunately, for her it was not to be, and she finished her earthly course a few weeks before the season began. Then, in her memory, we had to make it happen. She must have been smiling on us, because it turned out to be one of the most memorable football traveling experiences that I can name. It was really a three-way tie with the Super Bowl week in Houston, and our road trip last year to New Orleans.

Again sadness filled our inner circle of Cowboys Nation when another cousin and fellow Cowboys Nation fan, made his transition from the earth realm. He was the one who reassured us that our darker days were behind us and we were on our way to another Super Bowl. His bold prediction, 2016. I hope that he is right.

Then our BOYS. Folks laughed and said very unkind things about our Tony Romo, and my how he stepped up this year. Of course I would be remiss if not acknowledging that our owner Jerry Jones made some very unpopular draft choices over the last couple of years that turned out to be exactly what we needed to become a playoff team. Only last year our defense was 32 (I think that's last, lol), and their determination can only make me smile really big. Many predicted if lucky we would finish 5-11, but our Boys pushed to their limits, and I can say great 13-5 season.

I am looking forward to a great season next year and plan to include additional road trips. I don't know if I can ever catch up with Texans Fan Extraordinaire Ms. Gransberry at 19 and counting, but I do want to return to New Orleans again next year, the Redskins, if we play San Francisco it would be nice, and I'm looking for someone to brave the weather with me because Lambeau is the bucket list visit.

I extend best wishes to the fans whose teams are going forward in the final four, and know there are still a few more weeks of excitement.

A big shout out to Ms. Carolyn Price. She was so gracious to us in London and treated us as though she had known us for years. Sorry the cab driver didn't get us to her radio interview in time, but the media party was priceless. For those who do not know Ms. Price, she is the Cowboys greatest fan. She can be seen near the Cowboys entrance shouting TOONEE ROOOOMOOOO!
 
I hate the rule, but by the book that was not a catch. Expect that rule to be looked at now..
 
After Garrett stupidly ruined a gift first down from the refs, maybe they figured he didn't want to win. :kitten:
 
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