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Apparently a falcon fan on another forum seems to think you're going to go easy on Atlanta trading down, like they will give you no no.1 pick but a 2.
 
WillSaints said:
Apparently a falcon fan on another forum seems to think you're going to go easy on Atlanta trading down, like they will give you no no.1 pick but a 2.
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Apparently he has a low brain cell count. Who would trade a 1st round, let alone the #1 pick for only a 2nd round? That's ridiculous.
 
Nope.

Atlanta better bring chests full of draft picks if they want #1.

Manziel going to the Saints.
 
It's draft day. It's when the low-brain counts come crawling out of the woodwork.
 
Marcus said:
Don't feed the trolls.
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I wouldnt say I'm a troll, just looking out for my team. But I was aware of the gm before I came here. Yeah it wouldnt surprise me, Atlanta has a lot of staff friends in the league and Dimitrioff is a bit pompous.
 
i proposed an atlanta trade in my mock, and i felt i was being exceptionally generous by trading the 1-1 for their first, second, fourth, and next year's first. the redskins gave up 3 first rounders and a second to go from 6 to 2 just a couple years ago. only a one and two this year, with no later or future picks is just trolling.
 
WillSaints said:
Apparently a falcon fan on another forum seems to think you're going to go easy on Atlanta trading down, like they will give you no no.1 pick but a 2.
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Hi, I'm Rick Smith.

I come here often and divulge draft secrets to the good folk at Texanstalk.com.

The Texans are trading the #1 pick to the Raiders for their first round pick, Matt Schaub (just so we can cut him like we should have the first time round) and the Raiders mystique.

Any more questions you need asking re: Texans draft strategy, let me know.

Regards,

Rick Smith
 
On the chance that we did trade with Atlanta, I'm not so sure we'd get the level of compensation that lots of people are discussing. I don't really see this draft as being at the same level as some previous years, and I don't think any teams will be desperate enough to throw a ton of picks at us. I think the Texans would like out of #1, and if they want to get out, we won't be getting any huge reward. Plus, I usually find I'm disappointed with what the Texans get for their trades.

Basically, it wouldn't surprise me to see a trade at the level of:
Texans give up #1 overall
Atlanta gives up their first, second, and third round picks this year
or maybe change Atlanta's second rounder this year for a first next year.

I know that's lower than the charts and stuff say, but it's closer to what I think reality is. If you think about it, something at about that level could be seen as a win by both sides. Texans would get a couple of good draft picks to move down just those 5 slots. Atlanta wouldn't be mortgaging the farm to go after 1 player. The scenarios I've been seeing that have us getting significantly more are hard to believe: If we were in Atlanta's position, I couldn't see us giving up much more than that to move up (but, I'm not very high on Clowney...)
 
If the Texans truly do not want Clowney and they think the player that they do want will be there at 6 then getting anything over and above what they already have is a bonus regardless of what the draft chart says.


Houston

Round 1 – No. 1 overall
Round 2 – No. 33 overall
Round 3 – No. 65 overall
Round 4 – No. 101 overall
Round 4 – No. 135 overall (compensatory)
Round 5 – No. 141 overall
Round 6 – No. 177 overall
Round 6 – No. 181 overall (from Oakland)
Round 6 – No. 211 overall (compensatory)
Round 7 – No. 216 overall
Round 7 – No. 256 overall (compensatory)

Atlanta

Round 1 – No. 6 overall
Round 2 – No. 37 overall
Round 3 – No. 68 overall
Round 4 – No. 103 overall
Round 4 – No. 139 overall (compensatory)
Round 5 – No. 147 overall
Round 6 – No. 182 overall
Round 7 – No. 220 overall
Round 7 – No. 253 overall (compensatory)
Round 7 – No. 255 overall (compensatory)

If the Texans could swap firsts with the Falcons, get their 2nd and 3rd round picks this year and a 1st next year then that is a huge bonus for a new regime rebuilding the Texans. Basically 4 potentially good players for 1. The Texans draft picks would look like this:

Round 1 – No. 6 overall
Round 2 – No. 33 overall
Round 2 – No. 37 overall
Round 3 – No. 65 overall
Round 3 – No. 68 overall
Round 4 – No. 101 overall
Round 4 – No. 135 overall (compensatory)
Round 5 – No. 141 overall
Round 6 – No. 177 overall
Round 6 – No. 181 overall (from Oakland)
Round 6 – No. 211 overall (compensatory)
Round 7 – No. 216 overall
Round 7 – No. 256 overall (compensatory)

That is 6 picks in the top 150 with a double 1st rounder next year. All for Clowney. Add to that the fact that the Texans get to reshuffle their board for day 2 and basically have another 1st overall pick along with Atlanta's pick to follow shortly thereafter. Yeah, I would do it. The Redskins overpaid dearly for RG3. A deal like that isn't going to happen this year.
 
Trading the fist overall pick? I don't think so.

I'm ready to celebrate the drafting of Jadeveon Clowney in 12.5 hours

Time for our defense to become a factor again.
 
OP: Well he did read it on a internet football message board. It's probably true.
 
We swap places with Atlanta and they give us a #2. Sounds fair to me. Do it!
 
I will be so glad when today is over with and we have something new to argue about. This draft speculation is starting to get on my nerves for some odd reason, but it's all I'm thinking about today.

And don't tell me that doesn't make any sense, because it does. To me. LOL
 
Txn_in_Oki said:
Apparently he has a low brain cell count. Who would trade a 1st round, let alone the #1 pick for only a 2nd round? That's ridiculous.
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I'm pretty certain they're meaning in addition to the 6th pick.

Supposedly Rick wants 3 1st round picks for the #1. It seems steep, but it would depend on how far back they fall. Also, Atlanta had the same type of drop that we had last year, but they already have a good QB. With the team they have they could be right back in the mix and they're future 1st rounders could be low. I'd take the #6 this year, a 2nd round pick this year, and a top 10 pick next year for the #1. I wouldn't necessarily do it if the pick next year was 25. Throw in a 1st rounder in 2016 also and I could make that happen.
 
Looks like the Texans are shopping their 1st pick, and GM says they have decided whom they want most. Is it Jake Matthews or Khalil Mack? I think it's Matthews, an excellent choice. Texans failed to draft his cousin Clay Matthews and must be kicking themselves for that.

An OLB is not a pressing need, IMO. You draft to fill your needs, IMO. You don't go after BPA unless the difference is great, because other teams realize you have a player you need to trade, and you can't get full value for him.
 
Thorn said:
I will be so glad when today is over with and we have something new to argue about. This draft speculation is starting to get on my nerves for some odd reason, but it's all I'm thinking about today.

And don't tell me that doesn't make any sense, because it does. To me. LOL
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It feels like Christmas eve to me.

Life doesn't make any sense sometimes.

The ganja will help with the case of nerves.

Happy draft day
 
bckey said:
If the Texans truly do not want Clowney and they think the player that they do want will be there at 6 then getting anything over and above what they already have is a bonus regardless of what the draft chart says.


Houston

Round 1 – No. 1 overall
Round 2 – No. 33 overall
Round 3 – No. 65 overall
Round 4 – No. 101 overall
Round 4 – No. 135 overall (compensatory)
Round 5 – No. 141 overall
Round 6 – No. 177 overall
Round 6 – No. 181 overall (from Oakland)
Round 6 – No. 211 overall (compensatory)
Round 7 – No. 216 overall
Round 7 – No. 256 overall (compensatory)

Atlanta

Round 1 – No. 6 overall
Round 2 – No. 37 overall
Round 3 – No. 68 overall
Round 4 – No. 103 overall
Round 4 – No. 139 overall (compensatory)
Round 5 – No. 147 overall
Round 6 – No. 182 overall
Round 7 – No. 220 overall
Round 7 – No. 253 overall (compensatory)
Round 7 – No. 255 overall (compensatory)

If the Texans could swap firsts with the Falcons, get their 2nd and 3rd round picks this year and a 1st next year then that is a huge bonus for a new regime rebuilding the Texans. Basically 4 potentially good players for 1. The Texans draft picks would look like this:

Round 1 – No. 6 overall
Round 2 – No. 33 overall
Round 2 – No. 37 overall
Round 3 – No. 65 overall
Round 3 – No. 68 overall
Round 4 – No. 101 overall
Round 4 – No. 135 overall (compensatory)
Round 5 – No. 141 overall
Round 6 – No. 177 overall
Round 6 – No. 181 overall (from Oakland)
Round 6 – No. 211 overall (compensatory)
Round 7 – No. 216 overall
Round 7 – No. 256 overall (compensatory)

That is 6 picks in the top 150 with a double 1st rounder next year. All for Clowney. Add to that the fact that the Texans get to reshuffle their board for day 2 and basically have another 1st overall pick along with Atlanta's pick to follow shortly thereafter. Yeah, I would do it. The Redskins overpaid dearly for RG3. A deal like that isn't going to happen this year.
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Yes, please! In fact what if we left off their 3rd rounder and took their 4th (103) and 6th (182) round picks instead? Is that too far out of the realm of possibility?

Round 1 – No. 6 overall (From Atlanta)
Round 2 – No. 33 overall
Round 2 – No. 37 overall (from Atlanta)
Round 3 – No. 65 overall
Round 4 – No. 101 overall
Round 4 – No. 103 overall (from Atlanta)
Round 4 – No. 135 overall (compensatory)
Round 5 – No. 141 overall
Round 6 – No. 177 overall
Round 6 – No. 181 overall (from Oakland)
Round 6 – No. 182 overall (from Atlanta)
Round 6 – No. 211 overall (compensatory)
Round 7 – No. 216 overall
Round 7 – No. 256 overall (compensatory)
 
Thorn said:
I will be so glad when today is over with and we have something new to argue about. This draft speculation is starting to get on my nerves for some odd reason, but it's all I'm thinking about today.

And don't tell me that doesn't make any sense, because it does. To me. LOL
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I feel this way pretty much every year. and the higher our pick, the less I like the draft.
 
bckey said:
If the Texans truly do not want Clowney and they think the player that they do want will be there at 6 then getting anything over and above what they already have is a bonus regardless of what the draft chart says.

Could not agree more.

Houston

Round 1 – No. 1 overall
Round 2 – No. 33 overall
Round 3 – No. 65 overall
Round 4 – No. 101 overall
Round 4 – No. 135 overall (compensatory)
Round 5 – No. 141 overall
Round 6 – No. 177 overall
Round 6 – No. 181 overall (from Oakland)
Round 6 – No. 211 overall (compensatory)
Round 7 – No. 216 overall
Round 7 – No. 256 overall (compensatory)

Atlanta

Round 1 – No. 6 overall
Round 2 – No. 37 overall
Round 3 – No. 68 overall
Round 4 – No. 103 overall
Round 4 – No. 139 overall (compensatory)
Round 5 – No. 147 overall
Round 6 – No. 182 overall
Round 7 – No. 220 overall
Round 7 – No. 253 overall (compensatory)
Round 7 – No. 255 overall (compensatory)

If the Texans could swap firsts with the Falcons, get their 2nd and 3rd round picks this year and a 1st next year then that is a huge bonus for a new regime rebuilding the Texans. Basically 4 potentially good players for 1. The Texans draft picks would look like this:

We might ask for that much, but there's no way in heck a team would dish out that much to move up 5 spots

Round 1 – No. 6 overall
Round 2 – No. 33 overall
Round 2 – No. 37 overall
Round 3 – No. 65 overall
Round 3 – No. 68 overall
Round 4 – No. 101 overall
Round 4 – No. 135 overall (compensatory)
Round 5 – No. 141 overall
Round 6 – No. 177 overall
Round 6 – No. 181 overall (from Oakland)
Round 6 – No. 211 overall (compensatory)
Round 7 – No. 216 overall
Round 7 – No. 256 overall (compensatory)

That is 6 picks in the top 150 with a double 1st rounder next year. All for Clowney. Add to that the fact that the Texans get to reshuffle their board for day 2 and basically have another 1st overall pick along with Atlanta's pick to follow shortly thereafter. Yeah, I would do it. The Redskins overpaid dearly for RG3. A deal like that isn't going to happen this year.
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See bolded red. I agree wholeheartedly that if we don't believe a player's worthy of #1, to get whatever we can in order to move back. Talking heads might think we got duped, but I would like it.
 
gafftop said:
Sorry if this has already been discussed but what would it take for you to trade first pick to Jags?
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Honestly, if it came down to it I wouldn't mind getting Jacksonville's 1st rounder this year (#3), their 3rd rounder (#70) and a 1st next year. I doubt that would be the highest bid, though.
 
JCTexan said:
Honestly, if it came down to it I wouldn't mind getting Jacksonville's 1st rounder this year (#3), their 3rd rounder (#70) and a 1st next year. I doubt that would be the highest bid, though.
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Unless the front office is in love with JdC, I would take their 1st and 2nd this year. I would possibly take their 1, 3, and first 4.
 
HOU-TEX said:
See bolded red. I agree wholeheartedly that if we don't believe a player's worthy of #1, to get whatever we can in order to move back. Talking heads might think we got duped, but I would like it.
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Are we really basing it on moving up five spots? If Atlanta is serious about wanting Clowney or Robinson they have to move up in the draft to get him. We already know Buffalo is rumored to be wanting to move up also. Maybe the Bills will be more willing to make that trade?
 
If we are getting stressed, hopefully other teams are also. I am trying not to look at clock and do things to speed the day.
 
Scooter said:
i proposed an atlanta trade in my mock, and i felt i was being exceptionally generous by trading the 1-1 for their first, second, fourth, and next year's first. the redskins gave up 3 first rounders and a second to go from 6 to 2 just a couple years ago. only a one and two this year, with no later or future picks is just trolling.
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While true, Atlanta is not trading for a QB and thus using the Redskins trade as a go by is not the best of ideas. QBs carry a premium, now if Cleveland was wanting to trade up to take JFF or whomever at QB then I would expect something more in-line with the Stl-Wash trade.
 
Errant Hothy said:
While true, Atlanta is not trading for a QB and thus using the Redskins trade as a go by is not the best of ideas. QBs carry a premium, now if Cleveland was wanting to trade up to take JFF or whomever at QB then I would expect something more in-line with the Stl-Wash trade.
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That makes no sense though. Why would you expect more of a haul with Cleveland, who would be moving up three spots in the draft, over Atlanta moving up five spots? The way I would do it is the highest bid would win: If Cleveland, Atlanta & Buffalo were willing to trade us their 1st, 2nd & 3rd rounders this year and next years 1st then Cleveland would have the highest bid because they pick at #4..
 
JCTexan said:
Are we really basing it on moving up five spots? If Atlanta is serious about wanting Clowney or Robinson they have to move up in the draft to get him. We already know Buffalo is rumored to be wanting to move up also. Maybe the Bills will be more willing to make that trade?
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Why wouldn't we? It's 5 spots out of a pick we might not want. At this point, next years 1 and this years 2 is enough for me to move back to 6.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Why wouldn't we? It's 5 spots out of a pick we might not want. At this point, next years 1 and this years 2 is enough for me to move back to 6.
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From the Texans prospective, I agree. From Atlanta prospective, though, they will probably have to include their 3rd rounder to get a deal done if they want Clowney. They are competing with Buffalo and possibly Cleveland for the #1 pick, after all.
 
JCTexan said:
That makes no sense though. Why would you expect more of a haul with Cleveland, who would be moving up three spots in the draft, over Atlanta moving up five spots? The way I would do it is the highest bid would win: If Cleveland, Atlanta & Buffalo were willing to trade us their 1st, 2nd & 3rd rounders this year and next years 1st then Cleveland would have the highest bid because they pick at #4..
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Because this is the NFL, where a franchise QB can and does trump all. If Cleveland covets one of the QBs then yes I would expect them to pay more to trade up then I would Atlanta who does not need a QB at all.

Simple fact is that franchise QBs, or even the chance to draft one, carries a premium. One that would off-set the difference in draft spots between Cle and Atl.
 
Seegara said:
Looks like the Texans are shopping their 1st pick, and GM says they have decided whom they want most. Is it Jake Matthews or Khalil Mack? I think it's Matthews, an excellent choice. Texans failed to draft his cousin Clay Matthews and must be kicking themselves for that.

An OLB is not a pressing need, IMO. You draft to fill your needs, IMO. You don't go after BPA unless the difference is great, because other teams realize you have a player you need to trade, and you can't get full value for him.
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Are you kidding? Instead of Clay Matthews, we selected his former deadbeat bust of a teammate named Brian Cushing! Yeah, we're kicking ourselves for that bonehead move - NOT!
 
I think Texans would like to trade he 1st pick but are finding it difficult to trade Clowney's 3 sacks. In the end I think BOB goes with his QB Bortles.
 
Texian said:
I think Texans would like to trade he 1st pick but are finding it difficult to trade Clowney's 3 sacks. In the end I think BOB goes with his QB Bortles.
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Keep dreaming!! Any offer less than the other teams top three picks and next years number one is laughed at and we take Clowney, the nearly unanimous best player in the draft. We might consider changing their 3rd to a fourth but that's only if their first is I. The top 5 or 6.
 
CharloTex said:
Are you kidding? Instead of Clay Matthews, we selected his former deadbeat bust of a teammate named Brian Cushing! Yeah, we're kicking ourselves for that bonehead move - NOT!
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May not be kicking ourselves, but Matthews has stayed on the field more.

I would have been happy with either, but there is an argument for Jr.
 
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