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Should the Redskins change their name?
- Thread starter gwallaia
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cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
There is a team in Louisiana calling themselves the Ragin' Cajuns.
As a RCA I protest this denigration of my ancestry.
Not really..
Biggest bunch of nonsense ever.
JJ Watt born in Waukesha, Wisconsin. And people call him a Texan?
Wisconsinites should march on Washington and protest.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
This has nothing to do with the past, and everything to do with political correctness as a means to exercising power.
WHY LEFT VICIOUSLY ATTACKS RGIII, BEN CARSON
'There's too much political correctness going on in our country'
WHY LEFT VICIOUSLY ATTACKS RGIII, BEN CARSON
'There's too much political correctness going on in our country'
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
How something is said makes a great deal of difference.
Actually it does matter to me.
I think people that have strong Native American ancestry are the exact people that should be voicing their opinions on this...
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Context is not spin - please don't lower your discourse in that fashion. I respect your opinion. I also take it in context. The polling of Native Americans shows you are in a small minority on this issue.
Yvette
Waterboy
http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycen...munication/naes/2004_03_redskins_09-24_pr.pdf
A telephone poll? Seriously? Where anyone can claim ancestry? How many of those 768 were really NAI? How many were federally recognized tribes? How many were state? How many of them were cultural? How many were just claiming blood quantum of 1/100?
Sure, if you answer the phone during a redskins poll.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Apparently not too many were racing to call themselves Native American.
That would be 1.2% of people contacted. I am sure there was a conspiracy to skew the results - "hey maybe if I am called on this non-publically announced poll I will claim I am Native American to keep a derogatory name." So seriously right back at ya.
What do you want freaking DNA results? Please by all means state the acceptable "Native American" levels to have an opinion.
And you don't even see the irony in your bringing in "Federal recognition" on this issue?
eriadoc
Texan-American
Yvette
Waterboy
There are almost 3 million NAI from federally recognized tribes. The distinction between federal and state recognition is there for a reason. Anyone can claim NAI blood but to obtain federal recognition you must prove it. Lots of people attempt to claim federal NAI ancestry because of real or imagined benefits. There are also quite a few out there who claim tribal affiliation but are 'adopted' (an honorary status).
If Natives from NAI colleges, reservations, outreach offices were polled, I would give serious consideration to those results, as I would any opinion from cultural Indians.
'In name only' doesn't count and I have no reason to believe those 768 people are anything other than that.
If Natives from NAI colleges, reservations, outreach offices were polled, I would give serious consideration to those results, as I would any opinion from cultural Indians.
'In name only' doesn't count and I have no reason to believe those 768 people are anything other than that.
eriadoc
Texan-American
So they're not Indian/Redskin/Native American enough for ya.
I'm either 1/16 or 1/32 Nez Perce. The ancestry is just a little fuzzy, and frankly, I've never given enough of a damn to track it down and clear it up. I've never applied for any sort of recognition or benefits, because in the end, I am an American. That means I am a mutt, just like everyone else here. Only, I embrace it instead of seeking some sort of exclusivity. So where does that attitude fit in your worldview of who should and should not be responding to polls?
toronto
Hall of Fame
I voted yes. Always found the name in poor taste. Just me. Strongly expect to be in a massive minority here.
I don't feel strongly on the subject, I don't have a dog in the fight like Yvette.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Ancestry is what it is. I can't change it and neither can you. Culture is what you live, so I can agree with that part of your statement. But I am descended from the Nez Perce tribe and that's just a fact.
Just so everyone knows, I'm resurrecting this thread the next time we have a "cornball brother" or "Uncle Tom" debate, LOL.
I have a significant amount of Native American's in my family tree - three of my four great grandmothers were either Comanche or Cherokee .... I got the dark skin (who needs sunscreen?!)..... with blonde hair and blue eyes. Im probably bout as indian they come off the reservation .... Maybe that explains why I don't handle liquor well.
The term while historically derogatory is buried so far back in the history of this country , it just doesn't carry much meaning to me.
Context would have to be taken into consideration for me , Im not offended by a word , rather how its used.
Yvette
Waterboy
It was an issue then, among many others, but no one was listening.
Natives were first declared US citizens in 1924 but were not uniformly allowed to vote until the establishment of the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
Yvette
Waterboy
Have you ever been called a 'skin, prairie n i g g e r, or anything like that? I have :/
No , but then again Im a pretty big guy .... people don't tend to offend me to my face. Its detrimental to their health.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Which means zilch to whether a mascot name is derogatory.
Fundamental fact - mascots are chosen out of RESPECT not derision.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Which is why we don't have the Washington Liars or Washington Crooks. Or hey, now we could have them change their name to the Washington Snoops and put the NSA seal on the helmet.
Yvette
Waterboy
I don't remember the Houston Crackers being a choice when choosing the team name.
My factoid pointed out that hardly anyone gave a damn what Indians thought back then.
Thought I'd mention that I'm not debating with any of you. I have no illusions about changing your minds. I hope you all understand I'm not wavering either.
Anyone want to celebrate with me on the 24th? We can all raise a toast together lol
Never mind! I'm late. Citizenship was on 6/2/24.
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toronto
Hall of Fame
Washington Liars has a nice ring to it actually!
We really need something much more derogatory and offensive if we are going to go with a political theme .... Liars is much too nice a word to describe politicians.
I don't think the Redskins name was chosen as an insult. The original club name was Braves, then Red Sox and eventually Red Skins. They've always had some name dealing with Native Americans.
But I don't think that matters. If the term Redskins is seen as a derogatory name then I think they should at least consider a name change just to not offend anyone. If people aren't really offended by it, and no one cares, then leave it alone.
But if they change mascots I vote for a better version of this one:
http://www.oddee.com/item_96800.aspx
Maybe they can have a female verion and name it Gina.
But I don't think that matters. If the term Redskins is seen as a derogatory name then I think they should at least consider a name change just to not offend anyone. If people aren't really offended by it, and no one cares, then leave it alone.
But if they change mascots I vote for a better version of this one:
http://www.oddee.com/item_96800.aspx
Maybe they can have a female verion and name it Gina.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
I think the Washington Redcoats has a nice ring to it. It's a minimal change to the existing name, so it should go over well with fans. Just gotta change the maroon to firetruck red.
eriadoc
Texan-American
I so wish I could rep this.
Really
My great uncle on my mothers side was a full blood Alabama-Cousha. So I know I've got alot of Native blood in my family. My Dads side has a few Native Americans in his family as well.
But I guess my opinion doesn't count because A. I dont agree with you. B. I dont dwell on these kinds of thing, unlike you.
Not to me.
I think I'm a worldly man. I've been all over this great country, spoken to all kinds of people. I've heard or read just about every racial pejorative there is... or at least I'd like to think so. I've never heard anyone refer to anyone as a 'skin, I've never heard anyone denigrate anyone using the word "Redskin"
I've heard the pejoratives for Native Americans. Several of them. Never Redskin or 'skin.
To me, this is akin to me waking up tomorrow & saying I find it offensive when people call me a "Bad Mofo"
Now Redman.... I think he should change his name.
A little ot..... not the same thing, but kinda
What do you think about Uncle Kracker? Do you think white folk find that offensive (I'm assuming you're white folk).
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
They are chosen to sell jerseys. That's why there is a team called the Nads. It's not out of respect for Nads.
George Marshall bought the Boston Braves and changed the team name to the more offensive term of "Redskins" out of respect? Come on -- at BEST it's a draw as to which name is more inflammatory, and I'm pretty sure on a scale of 1-10 Redskin falls way further down than Braves.
BTW George Marshall was the last guy in football to integrate his team, even when they were a disaster through the 1950's. There's evidence that he was a major force behind the NFL's sudden resegregation in 1933, the year after he bought the Braves. He expressly ordered in his will that his foundation not spend any money on “any purpose which supports or employs the principle of racial integration in any form." He made his "respected" coach dress up in Indian war dress for games. You think Belichek would tolerate that?
Redskins
Cowboys
Oilers
Pirates
Patriots
Raiders
Chiefs
49ers
Packers (<-- that's offensive)
Vikings
Buccaneers
All need to change their name before someone finds their "mascot" offensive. Throw Cardinals in there too, ya never know with them Catholics.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I never thought about it at all.
Get serious. Like there was some overwhelming anti-Indian demographic when they selected the name which was going to sell more jerseys. That is just ridiculous.
I am sure Marshall was trying to piss off his Indian head coach with a derogatory term.
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
Right -- it's just comical to suggest that a pro sports owner in the 1930's didn't respect minorities. Even in 1933, you don't think there were other options besides "Redskins" that might be a little less inflammatory?
Would you support it if we did it here? Say the Texans hired a half Hispanic head coach and McNair made him dress up in a 10 foot sombrero and poncho during games. Then he's sitting around thinking of a new team name for the Texans to honor Texas' Hispanic roots and their new coach:
"Well, we could name them the Matadors, the Warriors, the Vaqueros, or the Wetbacks."
"Hmm... let's go with Wetbacks. that sounds like the most respectful and honorable name."
75 years later, that name would still suck.
George Marshall bought the Redskins in 1932 and owned them until he died in 1969. How many other Native Americans did he honor besides the coach he fired in 1934? What about the other three plus decades, when he was going out of his way to trumpet his racism (playing "Dixie" before the "Star Spangled Banner")? If he was so eager to honor Native Americans he had a great chance to do so -- owning a team where no other race was apparently allowed employment. Why not at least hire Jim Thorpe for PR -- who actually played for the Boston Braves before Marshall bought them?
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Dan B.
Hall of Fame
More like someone buying the team, changing the name from Cardinals to Mackerel Snappers, and then claiming it was out of respect for Catholics.
I was thinking the Washington Terrorists.
Yvette
Waterboy
You're not cultural. At least I didn't read anything that indicates otherwise.
I'm sure there are cultural Indians who don't agree with me. Their opinion absolutely matters to me.
Lurvinator11
Veteran
I voted Yes, only because I understand the offensive nature that native American can claim.
Saying that though, if the Redskins were to change their name, then at the very least, I feel like the other Native American themed teams should change their name. That's a lot of trouble to go through, spanning over every major league in the country.
So, it should be changed based on the offending nature to Native Americans, however, I don't think it will be changed. If it was, it would have already happened.
Saying that though, if the Redskins were to change their name, then at the very least, I feel like the other Native American themed teams should change their name. That's a lot of trouble to go through, spanning over every major league in the country.
So, it should be changed based on the offending nature to Native Americans, however, I don't think it will be changed. If it was, it would have already happened.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
After reading what Yvette has to say, I can see where some would be offended.
At some point in time though, we have to get past this racial crap and realize we are all one species. Some humans will never understand this however. Narrow-mindedness is something we humans excel at. And we use this against each other while we champion our own version of the "truth".
We are so good at that crap its a wonder we still exist.
At some point in time though, we have to get past this racial crap and realize we are all one species. Some humans will never understand this however. Narrow-mindedness is something we humans excel at. And we use this against each other while we champion our own version of the "truth".
We are so good at that crap its a wonder we still exist.