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Should Texans sign Richie Incognito?
- Thread starter Seegara
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HouSportsWriter
SIAB
Who drunk clicked yes?
ghostlight
Veteran
I voted yes because his issues are fixable. It is not drug or rape related however the team leaders should have a strong input. He is a good talent and can be coached for a positive part of our team.
1st, McNair wouldn't tolerate the circus-type attention he would bring
2nd, he ain't really very good (maybe that should be first). Anybody who's whole game is primarily based on getting under your skin has no real talent or they wouldn't have to resort to bush league mind games
3rd, with the negative attention he's brought on himself, every time he does something that looks halfway suspect, he's going to draw a penalty flag.
so not just no but hell no
2nd, he ain't really very good (maybe that should be first). Anybody who's whole game is primarily based on getting under your skin has no real talent or they wouldn't have to resort to bush league mind games
3rd, with the negative attention he's brought on himself, every time he does something that looks halfway suspect, he's going to draw a penalty flag.
so not just no but hell no
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
The guy was the least likable player in the league not named Cortland Finnegan and that was *before* the whole saga with the Dolphins.
He's a repulsive, wretched excuse for a human being. Calling him excrement is a compliment.
He's a repulsive, wretched excuse for a human being. Calling him excrement is a compliment.
Scooter
Funky
his issues very well could be "fixable". after 15 years in a psychiatric ward and released back into society with required medication, he may be fixed. dude's nuckin futz. the stuff he isnt doing needs a "yet" attached, because i guarantee as soon as he doesnt have the outlet and enablers of football those things are going to happen fast. i'd rather not be the team holding that grenade.
besides, as our jedi master pointed out - he's frankly not good enough for the headache.
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TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Really?
There is a small but vocal portion of the fanbase thst believes the Texans need a "bad boy" element on the team in order to be successful. That's why we have to see ridiculous questions like this posed every time some misfit becomes avaliable.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
I agree with the "missing link" description, but that's about it. Like the above states, he isn't worth the circus.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
As much as i dislike the guy i do think he would make our offensive line better, why should i care how he treats opposing teams players. If he is out there protecting our QB then we as fans should be happy.
Not to mention besides the nasty illegal stuff he does maybe he could bring a little something to the offensive line it has never had.
Who knows it could come back to bite us in the ass as well. But it is always good to explore all options although i doubt Rick and Mcnair would go for it.
Not to mention besides the nasty illegal stuff he does maybe he could bring a little something to the offensive line it has never had.
Who knows it could come back to bite us in the ass as well. But it is always good to explore all options although i doubt Rick and Mcnair would go for it.
Former All Pro Conrad Dobler and any number of former Raider OL would disagree with statement #2.
I didn't vote because this will never happen. However if it were me and I thought XSF could play RT and would be an upgrade over Newton I would have no problem signing Incognito.
He shouldn't have been punished for politically incorrect in the 1st place and was well like by his teammates.
Hottoddie
Veteran
The problem is, they don't do lobotomies anymore. And if they did, he'd lose most, if not all, of his aggressive nature. That's the only thing he has going for himself. So, I think I'll vote................................................................ NO!!!
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Surgical procedure in which nerve pathways in a lobe or lobes of the brain are severed from those in other areas. Introduced in 1935 by António Egas Moniz and Almeida Lima, it came to be used to help grossly disturbed patients. Favoured for patients who did not respond to shock therapy, it did reduce agitation but often caused increased apathy and passivity, inability to concentrate, and decreased emotional response. It was widely performed until c. 1956, when drugs that were more effective in calming patients became available. Lobotomies are no longer performed; however, psychosurgery, the surgical removal of specific regions of the brain, is occasionally used to treat patients whose symptoms have resisted all other treatments.
Yep, it's not just a bad boy thing it's does the bad boy have enough talent to help me not have to see another 2-14 season again. If that is the case anybody that has the talent not named Aaron Hernandez come on down to H-town. After all the country club that McNair/Kubiak ran around here for the last 9 yrs has proven where good kids with great character get you. (David Anderson/Keo etc...) Even though the Texans play on Sunday NRG isn't a Church and the field isn't a Sunday school class.
Taylor Lewan has an assault case from a bar fight coming up soon, would you want him starting at RT this yr? What Incognito did was nothing compared to what Lewan did.
If a guy has talent you take him deal with his issues and win football games. The fanbase will be happy with winning. Even though some around here still wish Kubiak was the HC so that tells me they have a different agenda and it isn't a do whatever it takes to win agenda.
If players cant handle media attention then they're mental weaklings and the kid of players you cant win a SB with anyways. But those kinds ok players are generally great kids.
I've had enough of the great kids era. It's time to start getting the winning kids kind of players. If these great kids are great players. great. If these kids are not great kids but great players then sign me up.
Kids gonna do what kids do.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
.....and Incognito did what kids do. Also, what he did was beyond politically incorrect. If all he did was something "politically incorrect" I wouldn't care and neither would the media. So, you want a guy with VERY average talent plus the media circus, potentially to the detriment of the team as a whole? Sounds like you want a bad guy in there just for the sake of having a bad guy.
Hottoddie
Veteran
And, how many SB's has Incognito won? I can't seem to find that information at the moment. Maybe it's because he's been incognito.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Agreed. Some people think the Raiders misfits of the seventies is the only way to produce a winner. But where is Oakland now and how many winners had this kind of element? It's a false premise which needs to be shot down at every sighting.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
For the recod I don't want Incognito on the Texans. Not because of the reasons like media circus etc.. and I think Incognito is still an above avg LG. However I don't think the Texans are in need of a LG. So they're not a good match.
However my philosophy stands and until McNair changes his philosophy, (Not likely) The Texans will always be behind teams like the Pats/Broncos/Seahawks/SF etc.... who have my philosophy. One that is they will take on any player that will help them win.
Bad analogy Al Davis got old. BTW, I would take a couple of decades of SB contention that the Raiders had.
Look at the Pats/Seattle/Denver/SF in today's game.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
Fair enough. For my part I just don't want him and his dirty ways on the team. If they signed him tomorrow I'd feel the same way. However, I would cheer for him if he became a Texan, just wouldn't care for him being here, is all.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
He got dropped because of what he did to his own players.
Bingo.
Documented mental issues, multiple psych admissions... if you sign up to date 'that girl' don't be surprised when she's standing over you with a butcher knife.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
If he was such a "winning kid," he would be signed already.
He's been blackballed for what has gone on in lockerrooms for yrs.
But you know that.
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
Incognito was kicked off of every team he's ever played on. In all but one case it was midseason.
He started at Nebraska, then was kicked off the team two weeks before the season opener his senior year for brawling with teammates during practice (he was first team all big XII the previous year and expected to be one of the best Centers in CFB). He transferred to Oregon but never made the roster because he did not meet the standards he agreed to when he transferred (he was ordered to take an anger management class and not violate his code of conduct).
He was drafted by the Rams in the third round after not playing football his senior year. In December 2009 he was benched by Spagnulo for headbutting an opposing player twice in a game. He then went on to fight with the coach on the sideline and was cut that week. He signed with the Bills for the remaining three games of the season and they declined to bring him back -- the only team that didn't rid themselves of his presence in the middle of a season. Then he went to Miami, where in 2013 he was suspended and released for the Martin stuff.
Dude fights with his teammates. He fights with his coaches. He gets into fights with random strangers. I don't think every player has to be a choir boy, but this guy's a locker room cancer.
He started at Nebraska, then was kicked off the team two weeks before the season opener his senior year for brawling with teammates during practice (he was first team all big XII the previous year and expected to be one of the best Centers in CFB). He transferred to Oregon but never made the roster because he did not meet the standards he agreed to when he transferred (he was ordered to take an anger management class and not violate his code of conduct).
He was drafted by the Rams in the third round after not playing football his senior year. In December 2009 he was benched by Spagnulo for headbutting an opposing player twice in a game. He then went on to fight with the coach on the sideline and was cut that week. He signed with the Bills for the remaining three games of the season and they declined to bring him back -- the only team that didn't rid themselves of his presence in the middle of a season. Then he went to Miami, where in 2013 he was suspended and released for the Martin stuff.
Dude fights with his teammates. He fights with his coaches. He gets into fights with random strangers. I don't think every player has to be a choir boy, but this guy's a locker room cancer.
Giant Tiger
Veteran
Sums up why I voted no. Can't bring myself to cheer for a goon team... or respect their fans. Reminds me too much of Tennessee
Hervoyel
BUENO!
They would at least address a need.
If Incognito was a little less of a moron and played RT then I'd be curious and maybe willing to entertain the idea.
Maybe.
Probably not though.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Your philosophy is to carp about McNair and Smith no matter what they do. While saying no on Incognito you still use it as proof of inferiority. Of course if they signed him and the entirely predictable personal foul occurred at a critical juncture then Smith and McNair would be wrong for taking a stupid risk on an obvious miscreant.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
If the need is big enough I'd (personally) give anyone a shot. I used to run a Ford store....hired a guy (salesman) with a bad reputation and fired him in the same week (I needed someone who could make a friggin' car deal). Office ladies didn't like that but it's a similar situation. Performance based industry need performers (I mean, would you go to a Aerosmith concert if Infantrycak stood in for the lead singer?) As long as the contract was structured for a rapid release upon dumbass move I think you could certainly justify the chance. Hell that's how they built the current Bengal team.
Wrong, if McNair/Smith took chances on guys like this I would understand that you have to take the good with the bad and live with it. Talent should win out at all cost. IMHO
2-14 again proves the Texans org has some large problems with the higher ups and to win big there needs to be a change in philosophy. If they don't you can expect more 2-14 in the future. The last draft shows that maybe/hopefully they are beginning to change their talent evaluation processes.
Carry on with you being able to read my mind. People have spent many $$$$ trying to figure out my mind and I wish you luck.
ghostlight
Veteran
In today's game Mean Joe Green would be in a world of trouble and no Coke Commercials.
Oh I dunno.... Can Cak belt out "Dream On"... or "Sweet Emotion"??
...and how much are the tickets going for? It might be worth a ten-spot just to see him with long hair...
Vinny
shiny happy fan
to see him rocking a giant flat-top mullet would be priceless.Oh I dunno.... Can Cak belt out "Dream On"... or "Sweet Emotion"??
...and how much are the tickets going for? It might be worth a ten-spot just to see him with long hair...
Hervoyel
BUENO!
In light of your comments and ObsiWan said I have to say "Yes. I'd absolutely go to an Aerosmith concert with infantrycak on lead vocals".
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
In light of your comments and ObsiWan said I have to say "Yes. I'd absolutely go to an Aerosmith concert with infantrycak on lead vocals".
The flat top mullet I'd do for free but y'all would be paying me not to sing.
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
Joe Green is a Hall of Fame player. Zero chance that Incognito gets into the Hall.
Have you ever dated a girl that wasn't as hot as she thinks she is? This is probably sexist, but maybe this analogy will make sense. If NFL players were girlfriends ranked on a 1-10 scale, Incognito is a 5 who acts like a 10. Why deal with a diva's drama unless they are actually hot?
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
There are differences between charges and guilt. If he is found guilty, then he would also be on my no play list.
When weighing pros and cons, avoid the cons or soon to be cons.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Why waste the time teaching someone who is bound to go to the rapid release phase right when he is needed?
See this is where we are different. Lewan got in a fight and beat somebody up. That aggression makes him a very good RT prospect. I'm not Sunday school teacher and I don't expect my OL to act like saints. What they do on THEIR personal time is their business.
Short of a Hernandez/Septien/Carruth type situation.
From what I've been able to find, Lewan says he never balled up his fists and threw punches. He does admit to doing some shoving to try and separate other folks who were fighting.
If you're right - Lewan "beat somebody up" - then he's a liar and I don't want somebody that won't be square with me.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I just cannot agree on the bolded. I will not watch a player that hits his wife/g'friend or refuses to pay child support when he has the money. I will not watch a guy that keeps doing stupid stuff (DWIs, shop lift, etc) or detract from his (Incognito) team because he is a punk. I have no interest in thugs even Mean Joe and despised him as a player.
Fans that want a win regardless of how it is obtained are people I would not want to be around. Sports is about playing the best you can against the best without dishonesty. Sounds trivial maybe but "the other guy does it" left my vocabulary at about age 12.