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Sean Taylor dominates preseason game vs. Broncos
- Thread starter Blake
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dirty steve
Veteran
i saw that he played well also, but not against the usual first team offenses he will see in the regular season. i'm not saying he isn't a baller, though.
BuffSoldier
Veteran
kbourda said:
That is still yet to be seen, I was watching the game and as many know I was a firm supporter that we should move up. Im happy with the 2 first rounders we got but when I saw Sean play today I have to say I was like man, we could have had that guy.
TexansCanes
Rookie
yeah it was against the 2nd stringers but its better than not getting 2 picks against 2nd stringers, good start. he made two good plays on the picks which shows that he somewhat knows what he is doing out there. maybe this will get him to start on saturday and play against real competion. i tell you what his performance really shut up the washington media that has really been on his case lately.
Blake
MMQB
I was in no way implying we should have moved up in the draft for him. I simply stated he had a good game. yes it was against Mauck. Reguardless, nobody else had 2 picks on Matt. Nobody had one pick on Matt. And also, its not like Matt Mauck is some high school boy playing out there. He was the QB for the co-national champ tigers. Hes got game. And then Taylor stole it from him...
Blu
Rookie
He may have gotten those picks against a second stringer, but he will be at the top of the safetys in this league. Sean Taylors can be a big diffrence against the Cowpokes and Eagles. I didn't see the whole game , but what I saw was that the Broncos bootleged the heck out of Washingtons D. Mauck made two bad choices and Taylor made them pay for it. That's what his job is to do, also he looks big, and will cause a jawbreaking hit on widerecievers.
Hurricane players are a notch above all others.
Hurricane players are a notch above all others.
Taylor was very impressive in his NFL debut - too impressive to be relegated to
the safety position. A lot of people don't buy this argument, but the truth is there has only been 'bout 4 or 5 players drafted in the first round over the last 4
or 5 YEARS that played safety. And there is almost that many CBs drafted every
YEAR (on average) in the first round. And if safety was such an important, strategic position, some of these great young corners would be moved immediately to safety when they enter tne NFL. They never are, only when they age and lose a step or 2 do they move to safety.Are we moving D. Robinson to safety. No. He's got the natural sprinter speed to play corner in the NFL and excel because he can match speed with the WR speed guys. Coleman dosn't, he's too vulnerable on the deep routes against these same speed WRs.
But this Taylor kid looks special. He's got size and real speed. Shut down corners are far more valuable to a team than a mere safety.
But if we had him, he'd be a freak at weakside OLB. Yea, he could be the ultimate OLB in the 3-4.
the safety position. A lot of people don't buy this argument, but the truth is there has only been 'bout 4 or 5 players drafted in the first round over the last 4
or 5 YEARS that played safety. And there is almost that many CBs drafted every
YEAR (on average) in the first round. And if safety was such an important, strategic position, some of these great young corners would be moved immediately to safety when they enter tne NFL. They never are, only when they age and lose a step or 2 do they move to safety.Are we moving D. Robinson to safety. No. He's got the natural sprinter speed to play corner in the NFL and excel because he can match speed with the WR speed guys. Coleman dosn't, he's too vulnerable on the deep routes against these same speed WRs.
But this Taylor kid looks special. He's got size and real speed. Shut down corners are far more valuable to a team than a mere safety.
But if we had him, he'd be a freak at weakside OLB. Yea, he could be the ultimate OLB in the 3-4.
Fiddy
All Pro
A team could avoid Taylor if you made him a CB or an OLB because they could pass away from him if he was a CB and could run the opposite way if he was a LB so he wont come across the big play as easily. As a FS, he covers sideline to sideline so he has more freedom and teams doesnt know where he is going to be so Taylor can do what he does best: Get to the ball.nunusguy said:
And I agree with V, Taylor is too big to be a CB....
Nawzer
Alienz
Those INTs may have come against a Matt Mauck but the way he made those plays that was amazing. In the first one, he had to make an adjustment quickly then turn around jump and make the play. On the second one he read Matt Mauck perfectly and made another awesome play. I think he'll have a big impact this year for the Redskins.
LoNghoRn-TeXaN
Waterboy
nunusguy said:
He's way too big to be a CB and there's no way he could be the ultimate OLB in the 3-4 defense. He weighs 231 pounds only. He'll be manhandled by the OTs. BAbin weighs 260, Wong 250 and so does Peek. He's not strong enough to beat the OTs. He might be able to become a good ILB but not a very gr8 one unless he adds atleast 10 more pounds b/c onaverage LBs weigh atleast 240. But for now he's an excellent 8th guy in the box.
If you can discourage an offense from going to one side or the other of theFiddy said:
field, you've won a tremendous psychlogical and strategic battle before anybody snapped the ball ! You've also won a tactical battle because you've
reduced the side of the field you must defense with the other 10 players. That's what a great defensive playmaker can bring you. As far as saying he's too big to be a CB, that's silly. That's like saying he's too fast to play CB. Now if his size happens to diminish his speed and quickness, OK. But this guy looks like he might be one of those real freaks who has it all (think a BO Jackson type, but on D). Too small to be a LB, I think Peek is actually 'bout 238, only a few lbs. > Taylor. But my real point is, you don't waste a superior talent like
him on the safety position: they play back off the line of scrimmage and they
therefor have, well a secondary role (no pun intended) - the action is on the line of scrimmage. Now if they play him up on the l-o-s a great deal, well his position becomes a non conventional type, maybe combination LB/safety.
TexansCanes
Rookie
when it comes to sean you have to ask the question do you want ed reed or roy williams? he can be a ball-hawk or a run-stopper, the coaches just have to choose where they want him the play. after whatching sean the last 2 years i thought he would be the best safety in a few years because he a combination of ed reed and roy williams. as for him being an olb he could easily put on some weight but he doesn't need it for safty. peek probably weighs around 240 which is fine for a olb, but he is not 250-260.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Since Peek keeps getting injected--he weighs 250 lbs at least according to the Texans. Some of the lower weights have snuck onto the MB from his college days. At least as far as a 3-4 Taylor has no chance at OLB. Remember Capers comments on Babin (260lbs)--they put him at LOLB in large part because he carries 10 lbs more than Wong (250 lbs). Taylor would get abused going straight up against left or right tackles. No point wasting what could be a top 3 safety in the league to make a fast/flashy, but ineffective LB. As for CB, IMO all the size comparisons to the new WR's etc. and predictions of giant CB's miss the mark. The best CB's such as Deion Sanders, Champ Bailey or more recently Terrence Newman, Dunta Robinson & DeAngelo Hall and our own Aaron Glenn are not big guys--that is because the most important traits for a CB are instinct for timing and closing speed, i.e. the ability to close an apparent opening while the ball is in the air. Bigger guys can certainly have the former, but it appears the latter is much more common in "smaller" players.
TexansCanes
Rookie
you're right about all of those cb, hopefully about dunta, what makes those cbs good are their quickness, instincts, and closing speed. it is harder for big guys to react quickly to the wr. wr don't have to be quick or fast because they don't have to react or stay with anyone.
Andre_Johnson88
Practice Squad
Even though I'm not a Redskin or Hurricane fan I truly believe Sean Taylor is a FUN player to watch on the field and I will be start watching every single Redskins game because of him.He's more fun to watch than Michael Vick IMO!PRobably won't be many Redskin games on TV for us though.
LoNghoRn-TeXaN
Waterboy
TexansCanes said:
I second that. Hope Dunta becomes the ultimate shutdown CB. As for Sean Taylor if he has to play LB (inside or outside) he needs to put more weight on or he will be ineffective. As far as becoming a CB I still think he wont be a very gr8 unless he loses a few pounds and increases his closing speed. But he's alreasy the a top 5 safety in the league and in an year or two will be the best ever.
bad
Waterboy
The infatuation with Sean Taylor must end now!
The Texans never had a chance of drafting Sean Taylor. No matter how much of a stud this guy is (and he is), he's still plays safety, making him almost a sort of luxury pick for a team with no pressing needs.
I agree that it sucks, us not getting Taylor. I hated us missing out on a slew of gamebreakers this year. I wanted Taylor and Gallery and Wilfork and Harris and everyone whose last name is Williams or II.
Casserly had other ideas anyway; we've all heard that he coveted Robinson and Babin all along. The man is a genius. Taylor may very well turn out to better than Roy Williams, but the Texans finessed themselves into two potential stars at critical positions (CB and OLB).
It's great fun watching the way this team is being put together, and being there from the start. I think this is the season when we turn the corner and man I can't wait.
The Texans never had a chance of drafting Sean Taylor. No matter how much of a stud this guy is (and he is), he's still plays safety, making him almost a sort of luxury pick for a team with no pressing needs.
I agree that it sucks, us not getting Taylor. I hated us missing out on a slew of gamebreakers this year. I wanted Taylor and Gallery and Wilfork and Harris and everyone whose last name is Williams or II.
Casserly had other ideas anyway; we've all heard that he coveted Robinson and Babin all along. The man is a genius. Taylor may very well turn out to better than Roy Williams, but the Texans finessed themselves into two potential stars at critical positions (CB and OLB).
It's great fun watching the way this team is being put together, and being there from the start. I think this is the season when we turn the corner and man I can't wait.
My argument for making Taylor a CB is very simple: it takes a freak to cover a freak. Robinson and Glenn are very quick, very fast, and very atheltic. But
when somebody like them has to cover, oh say, a Andre Johnson or a Terrel
Owens, they are at a tremendous phsyical disadvantage in terms of height,
reach, weight, strength, weight, etc. Maybe like having a point guard cover a
power forward, but a PF with the same kind of speed, quickness, etc. as the PG. That's the kind of mismatch I'm talking about.
Now I've read where Taylor knocked out a 4.5 something but can really run
4.4 (or sub 4.4), 'cause he was injured when he got the slow time. He's gotta
have the faster time, or he simply can't be a big time CB. Or make him a backer. Put 10 lbs. (more or less), on hime - he's then up to 'bout 240. That's
a good size for a weakside 3-4 backer.
But don't waste him at safety, atleast safety with the conventional job description,i. e. stand back there when the the action is happening in front
of you (or down the sidelines with corners covering the long-ball WRs). If
he's playing a quasi-LB in some kinda exotic D like the 46 - yea, you're putting his talents to good use 'cause he's up near the line of scrimmage.
I've seen many observations by people knowledgeable about personnel (like
Cass), who've said you usually pick up safeties in later rounds because, well,
the position is just not that important (relatively speaking).
when somebody like them has to cover, oh say, a Andre Johnson or a Terrel
Owens, they are at a tremendous phsyical disadvantage in terms of height,
reach, weight, strength, weight, etc. Maybe like having a point guard cover a
power forward, but a PF with the same kind of speed, quickness, etc. as the PG. That's the kind of mismatch I'm talking about.
Now I've read where Taylor knocked out a 4.5 something but can really run
4.4 (or sub 4.4), 'cause he was injured when he got the slow time. He's gotta
have the faster time, or he simply can't be a big time CB. Or make him a backer. Put 10 lbs. (more or less), on hime - he's then up to 'bout 240. That's
a good size for a weakside 3-4 backer.
But don't waste him at safety, atleast safety with the conventional job description,i. e. stand back there when the the action is happening in front
of you (or down the sidelines with corners covering the long-ball WRs). If
he's playing a quasi-LB in some kinda exotic D like the 46 - yea, you're putting his talents to good use 'cause he's up near the line of scrimmage.
I've seen many observations by people knowledgeable about personnel (like
Cass), who've said you usually pick up safeties in later rounds because, well,
the position is just not that important (relatively speaking).
Porky
Hall of Fame
In general, safety's can be found in later rounds. Talyor does not cover the term "in general". What you want to do is take a Ronnie Lott, who was the best player at his posititon, and move him to a new spot, where the results are likely to take him out of the elite range, and ask him to learn a whole new set of skills. He is a FREAK at FS, but at CB or LB, he is no freak. He is just another guy. As a FS, he can act like a 4th or 5th LB on the field, and opposing teams will have to game plan around him. Why anyone would take an elite player, a player with the potential to be another Lott, and try to move him into unfamiliar territory is beyond me. 
TexansCanes
Rookie
he didn't play that much tonight but still had a solid game with a few tackles and a force fumble, but he didn't start.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
Did ya see what John McGraw of the NY Jets did to the IND reciever? Broke his arm I believe when he was coming across for a pass. NBA's a contact sport my *****.
Taylor will be fun to watch.
Taylor will be fun to watch.