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Sean Taylor dies after being shot in Leg at Miami Home

Didn't read the whole thread, so this was probably said, but the four NFL players killed this year were all active in the NFL, and all 24 years old.

Saw this at ExtremeSkins (Redskins Forum):

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Porky said:
Here are some details from Sean Taylor's attorney:

Sharpstein said that from the time of the attack, Taylor never regained consciousness.

"There was a brief moment where a nurse felt him squeeze her hand but that was false hope," the attorney said.

He called Taylor's death "completely tragic and unnecessary violence" and said he would be sorely missed.

"People loved him and he will be long missed by many, many people -- not just his fans, but the family and friends that knew him well," Sharpstein said.

At 1:45 a.m. Monday, a woman identified as Taylor's girlfriend called 911 and said someone had been shot. Taylor was airlifted to Miami's Jackson Memorial Hospital.

Sharpstein said Taylor's girlfriend told police what happened as she was hiding under bedcovers during the attack.

"Sean was awakened with his girlfriend and 18-month old baby," Sharpstein said. There were "noises, thumps in the living room." Taylor "got up and locked the bedroom door. Before he could do anything, the door was kicked in and two shots were fired -- one hit him in the leg, one went into the wall."

Taylor "was on the floor, non-responsive, bleeding out and chest heaving, eyes rolled back and he was pretty much gone from that point on," Sharpstein said.

Taylor's girlfriend "tried to call 911 and it's unclear whether the phone lines were cut or the phone was broken or off or unplugged or turned off," said Sharpstein. "She had to use her cell phone to eventually call 911."

"Whether this was a purposeful action in taking Sean's life or in shooting him or whether it was a burglary gone awry, the police are still investigating those circumstances," Sharpstein said.

Saw on ESPN yesterday, 1 of the detectives said that in the previous break in, they tried to get in his safe as well.

The attorney said Taylor was home unexpectedly due to an injury, and "no one expected him there. I think he was surprised or they were surprised to find him there," Sharpstein said.

This last part is what i think many are overlooking. He wasn't supposed to be there, Gibbs even said that he didn't know Taylor had gone back to Florida after he got his treatment before last week's game. I guess the ***** who did this probably didn't expect him to be there either, b/c that would be the only reason you come in making alot of noise if you intend on robbing someone.



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On a side note, this kind of crap has been happening more & more over the last couple of years with pro athletes (Dunta Robinson, Sean Taylor, Curtis Martin, Eddie Curry & a few others) i think some group of people might be targeting these guys specifically.
 
Mr teX said:
On a side note, this kind of crap has been happening more & more over the last couple of years with pro athletes (Dunta Robinson, Sean Taylor, Curtis Martin, Eddie Curry & a few others) i think some group of people might be targeting these guys specifically.
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Professional athletes are always a target. I would expect the NFL to focus more on this issue next season with younger players. Perhaps trying to instruct them on ways to make yourself less of target to this type of crime. Things like limiting the amount of people you actually bring to your house. The fewer people that know where you live the better as anyone who's been to your house can share details of the layout of your house & where or what valuables you have.

We've seen things like this in the past happen to average everyday people as well. I believe there was a crime a little over a year ago where a man had visited a strip club. He ended up taking one of the strippers home. Afterwards he left to take the stripper back to the club or to her house & while he was gone his house was robbed. The stripper had called her partners to let them know where the best stuff was in the man's house & how to get in.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out at the end of all this that someone who had access to the house previously (be it a friend, repairman, etc.) had a role in the crime.
 
infantrycak said:
I'm just curious--did the girlfriend put on or try to put on a tourniquet?
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If the wound was in the crotch region of the leg, where would the tourniquet be located? I'd venture to guess not many people would know where to place it. Especially under the given circumstances. I think it's possible to sustain further damage by having the tourniquet in the wrong place.

Carr Bombed said:
From where it sounds like the injury was at it was probably impossible to put on a tourniquet..........however if she stuck her fingers into the wound and kept pressure on it she probably could've saved his life.
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I might be wrong, but I don't think it'd help having a severed artery. I believe it's still possible to bleed out internally.

Again, I'm no doctor.:)
 
HOU-TEX said:
If the wound was in the crotch region of the leg, where would the tourniquet be located? I'd venture to guess not many people would know where to place it. Especially under the given circumstances. I think it's possible to sustain further damage by having the tourniquet in the wrong place.



I might be wrong, but I don't think it'd help having a severed artery. I believe it's still possible to bleed out internally.

Again, I'm no doctor.:)
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It's almost impossible to apply a tourniquet where he was shot from what I've gathered. From what I understand he was unconscious within a couple of minutes of bleeding and really never had a chance of any normal recovery. The artery that was severed is about as big around as your index finger. You can imagine the scene.
 
Specnatz said:
Every game this weekend will have a moment of silence and the Redskins will wear a patch ................... I am not trying to trash the guy but there are a ton of unanswered questions, this reminds me so much of how the Benoit situation played out.


Doing anything while questions are abound is just plain nutz.
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I saw an interview last night with Roy Williams, and he said that he will be wearing the #21 patch as well. I can imagine that when something like this happens, it affects more players than those who are on the team, as with Roy Williams.

Personally, I don't find it nutz if teams choose to pay respects to one of their players during or before the game. I couldn't imagine a team choosing to pay a tribute to a team mate only after clearing an investigation that could take months. Then OBTW, let's pay tribute to John Doe since we have now found that his murder wasn't associated with his background. I also doubt if many Redskins fans would share that view as well.
 
powerfuldragon said:
S. Taylor rookie season highlights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj0rEv6Gfk8
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rollinstone18 said:
Sean sure could lay the wood...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lHQH8TuWJWo
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... the nfl removed all the sean taylor stuff from youtube... fascists...

Vinny said:
The people you hang with often define you as well or better than you define yourself.

He already was a special player and was on his way to the HOF as his best days were in front of him.
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yup, that's why we have that birds of a feather saying...

and yes, i agree he'd have been HOF material.


HOU-TEX said:
I might be wrong, but I don't think it'd help having a severed artery. I believe it's still possible to bleed out internally.
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it's battlefield medicine... jam your fingers into the wound and if you find the artery, do your best to pinch it shut.
 
Vinny said:
It's almost impossible to apply a tourniquet where he was shot from what I've gathered. From what I understand he was unconscious within a couple of minutes of bleeding and really never had a chance of any normal recovery. The artery that was severed is about as big around as your index finger. You can imagine the scene.
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I'd gather it was a pretty gruesome sight. I had both arteries in my wrist severed at one time and it was a blood bath. A friend of mine's Father applied the tourniquet to my elbow area and basically saved my hand. It amazing how fast your blood pumped throughtout your body. :cool:
 
powerfuldragon said:
... the nfl removed all the sean taylor stuff from youtube... fascists...

yup, that's why we have that birds of a feather saying...

and yes, i agree he'd have been HOF material.
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In a way I can understand the NFL removing material from youtube. The videos could have turned out almost endless. I saw a couple that were pretty poorly done tributes and probably more to do with getting their faces out there.

I don't always agree with the birds of a feather, nor leopards can't change their spots (I think it's spots?) sayings, because with maturity, many people do change. I don't know anything about Sean Taylor other what I have read or heard others that know him say. It seems from various interviews, a number of people said that he matured a lot after the birth of his child. I have seen some pretty bad actors in their youth turn out to be ministers, and good ones at that.
 
HOU-TEX said:
If the wound was in the crotch region of the leg, where would the tourniquet be located? I'd venture to guess not many people would know where to place it. Especially under the given circumstances. I think it's possible to sustain further damage by having the tourniquet in the wrong place.
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It may have been impossible if it was too far into the groin. If it was in the leg who knows, but I don't think there is any risk of further damage than bleeding out.

I might be wrong, but I don't think it'd help having a severed artery. I believe it's still possible to bleed out internally.

Again, I'm no doctor.:)
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No--this wasn't possible but if a forceps could have been put on the upstream side of the wound it could have prevented the bleed out--think water hose bent in two to stop the flow. There would be back pressure but it wouldn't have caused internal bleeding in the trunk of his body.

For the record, I wasn't criticizing the girl friend, just curious.
 
Vinny said:
It's almost impossible to apply a tourniquet where he was shot from what I've gathered. From what I understand he was unconscious within a couple of minutes of bleeding and really never had a chance of any normal recovery. The artery that was severed is about as big around as your index finger. You can imagine the scene.
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Not only that, the artery that the bullet tore up comes off the largest artery in your body, the aorta. I see it all the time when doctors pull catheters from the groin area & they have to manually hold pressure for at least 20 minutes before they can release & put a femstop on to continue to hold pressure for another 2 hours.

& that's just a hole a little bit bigger than a pen tip. Imagine trying to stop bleeding in the same artery with a hole the size of a dime.
 
PapaL said:
Are you saying you have an issue with the moment of silence and the patch because his death/murder is unsolved or because of the circumstances?

Regardless one of their own passed away - they should honor their memory regardless if they were a Saint.
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I am a synic and I just see this blowing up in there face. I feel bad that he is gone and his child now has to grow up without a father and for the redskins to do this I have no real issues with but I would tread lightly with the other teams. Like I said I have become so anti-trustful when it comes to situations that are not explained.
 
Taylor, who in his short NFL career was fined at least seven times for infractions like late hits during games (once spitting in an opponent's face), was arrested in 2005 for threatening with a gun a group of people he accused of stealing his all-terrain vehicle. He later pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault charges. Shortly after the altercation, Taylor's SUV was sprayed by bullets in a drive-by shooting, although no one was injured.
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I got this from the yahoo front page.

Shortly after the altercation, Taylor's SUV was sprayed by bullets in a drive-by shooting, although no one was injured.
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It quite possibly was a gang hit, a finish job by the gang for botching the job after his yelling at the "group of people he accused of stealing his all-terrain vehicle".

When I was in Oakland, a week before I got there there was the same kind of drive by at the gate where we go in the parking lot. Seems a carload of girls stopped by saturday night to see one of the motorhomes lined up at the gate. Some guys yelled at the girls as they were leaving. 45 minutes later a carload of 20 showed and 3 had guns and started firing hitting the 4 boys that did the yelling. A meticulously planned hit by a Gang that is more structured than you or I think. Sean probably let this blow over not thinking of any more retaliation. It is this reason and this reason alone that if your found to be a Gang member you should be put to death.

With the knife on the bead you can't say he was not aware some one was after him but no one would expect what happened to him. Sean was an inoccent Victim in a brutal break in.

It is Shameful that this happened to someone with such a bright future and a beautiful family. One thing all must remember in all of this is that Sean Taylor was a victim, A human and the father of a young Girl who will never know her daddy. There is no reason the Bird of a feather statement should be used period.

All I can say is I will miss the awesome play this kid could deliver on a foootball feild and may he rest in peace. May God help his family and friends cope with thier loss.
 
Well Antrel Rolle, one of Taylor's NFL contemporaries and close friends, says the burglary or random criminal act theory is bogus. He believes he was targeted due to the crowd that Taylor USED TO hang around with when he was coming up and during his early years at 'The U' and in the NFL.

I think this goes to show that even if you spurn the bad actors that you used to hang around with, they will still find a way to try and bring you back 'into the fold'...dead or alive.

This whole criminal element attaching itself to some of the NFL elite is just part and parcel of the glorification of criminal life and hiphop 'thug' mentality. Get rich or die tryin' isn't just a term but its a #1 album. It's also a recipe for an early end to a promising and blessed life.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3132378

here is an excerpt from the article about Rolle's feelings on the shooting:

"This was not the first incident," Rolle said. "They've been targeting him for three years now."

Rolle said many former "friends" had it in for Taylor, who was trying to build a more stable life.

"He really didn't say too much," Rolle said, "but I know he lived his life pretty much scared every day of his life when he was down in Miami because those people were targeting him. At least, he's got peace now."
 
RTP2110 said:
ST's college teammate doubts it was a burglary attempt.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3132378
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I was about to post the same...just added some quotes for the quick read.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3132378

TEMPE, Ariz. -- Still in disbelief of his childhood friend's shooting death, Arizona Cardinals cornerback Antrel Rolle vowed Wednesday to make sure Sean Taylor is remembered.

He added he did not believe the killing was part of a burglary gone sour, and that Taylor had many enemies on the streets of Miami.


"This was not the first incident," Rolle said. "They've been targeting him for three years now."

Rolle said many former "friends" had it in for Taylor, who was trying to build a more stable life.

"He really didn't say too much," Rolle said, "but I know he lived his life pretty much scared every day of his life when he was down in Miami because those people were targeting him. At least, he's got peace now."
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The Redskins may play with just 10 players on defense for the opening defensive play. I hope the Bills QB will take a knee...or the whole team doing the same. Also, Clinton Portis, who was very close to Sean Taylor, may wear #21 for this game, or the rest of the season.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
The Redskins may play with just 10 players on defense for the opening defensive play. I hope the Bills QB will take a knee...or the whole team doing the same. Also, Clinton Portis, who was very close to Sean Taylor, may wear #21 for this game, or the rest of the season.
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I'm not so sure that's fair. It would be nice if the Bills did that, but they better not get flamed if they dont.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
The Redskins may play with just 10 players on defense for the opening defensive play. I hope the Bills QB will take a knee...or the whole team doing the same. Also, Clinton Portis, who was very close to Sean Taylor, may wear #21 for this game, or the rest of the season.
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Where did you hear/read that?
 
GuerillaBlack said:
A Redskins fan posted it at another board.
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Just struck me as odd. I live in DC and hadn't heard that. Not doubting, just curious.

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Just read this on SI.com, link:

Portis said he considered wearing Taylor's No. 21 jersey in Sunday's game against the Buffalo Bills but decided against it.
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I think it would have been a good gesture.
 
3 guys have been Detained in the case

http://www.local10.com/news/14736793/detail.html

MIAMI -- An attorney and family friend for Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor said three people have been detained in the Fort Myers area for questioning in connection with his death.

Richard Sharpstein confirmed Friday that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and Miami-Dade police detained two teenagers and a third person, Local 10's Rad Berky reported.

The Miami Herald reported that investigators believe the three learned of Taylor's house through someone who unwittingly set up the burglary by bragging about his wealth. The newspaper reported their ages as being 17, 19 and 26.
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Aren't most criminals in the 17-30 demographic? I'd bet most violent crimes are committed by young men.
 
It still does not make sense about the other home invasion where the knife was left on the bed. This is going to get stranger before everything is known.
 
Specnatz said:
It still does not make sense about the other home invasion where the knife was left on the bed. This is going to get stranger before everything is known.
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We don't know exactly how that knife was left on the bed i.e. was it just thrown on it like someone was trying to get out of there as fast as possible or was it placed on it in such a way to send a message.
 
Specnatz said:
It still does not make sense about the other home invasion where the knife was left on the bed. This is going to get stranger before everything is known.
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It's possible that a kitchen knife could also serve as a screw driver.
 
Vinny said:
Aren't most criminals in the 17-30 demographic? I'd bet most violent crimes are committed by young men.
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That's probably true, but it might shed some light on some things.

Like why if they were specifically there to kill him as some have speculated, he was shot in the groin & not in the head or chest or any other "kill shot" area.

& of course, why if you're trying to rob someone you don't take anything..... in both instances.

They were probably just young, stupid punks who got surprised by Taylor, let off a couple of wild shots just to get out of there & didn't realize the severity of what they'd done till later.


.......That is of course if they are the involved in this, hopefully for his family's sake, they find out sooner rather than later.
 
Vinny said:
Aren't most criminals in the 17-30 demographic? I'd bet most violent crimes are committed by young men.
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Probably. I just have the idea in my head. People kept asking why he was shot in the leg, etc. I just always imagined it was a burglary/setup where it was a young kid trying to get his name around the gang areas/initiation so when he broke in the door he was just scared and shooting. I never took it as a guy all in black with a silencer catting around the house if it was a past issue.
 
Four arrested in Taylor case; police anticipate 'murder, burglary' charges


MIAMI -- The Miami-Dade Police Department arrested four people Friday in connection with the shooting death of Washington Redskins star Sean Taylor.

Police spokeswoman Linda O'Brien identified the men as: Venjah K. Hunte, 20; Eric Rivera Jr., 17; Jason Scott Mitchell, 17; and Charles Kendrick Lee Wardlow, 18. O'Brien said the charges for each had not yet been determined, but "we are talking murder and burglary."

The four men were arrested Friday in southwest Florida, about 100 miles from Miami. They will be booked into the Lee County Jail and eventually will be returned to Miami, she said. O'Brien did not have any information on when they would appear in court or if they had attorneys.

Taylor died Tuesday, one day after being shot at his home in an affluent Miami suburb during what officials said appeared to be an attempted burglary. The suspects weren't expecting Taylor to be home, police director Robert Parker said, but Taylor was recuperating from a knee injury and had returned to Miami from Washington.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3135855
 
Wow, turns out the simple answer was the right one.

Orincess Diana was killed in a car crash
Benoit went crazy because of brain damage
Sean Taylor got killed in a botched robbery

Sometimes, I don't think people can accept that celebs can die in mundane ways, and there has to be a conspiracy
 
I really like the way Mitch Albom presented his views in Outside the Lines this morning. More and more he is one my favorite sports writers/commentators.

His comments were to the effect that people need to wait to issue judgment on this one way or the other. It was a horrible crime but there is no way the media or fans can have the information they need to know what or why really took place. Twenty-four hours, even a week after the crime, we lack so much data.

He pointed to the Duke lacrosse rape case and Len Bias as examples and argued that more often than not, the real facts won't be made available until long after the crime. As tragic as the Sean Taylor murder is, I can't help but feel the same way--no way I can know what has really happened or what role Taylor did or didn't have in it.
 
jerek said:
I really like the way Mitch Albom presented his views in Outside the Lines this morning. More and more he is one my favorite sports writers/commentators.

His comments were to the effect that people need to wait to issue judgment on this one way or the other. It was a horrible crime but there is no way the media or fans can have the information they need to know what or why really took place. Twenty-four hours, even a week after the crime, we lack so much data.

He pointed to the Duke lacrosse rape case and Len Bias as examples and argued that more often than not, the real facts won't be made available until long after the crime. As tragic as the Sean Taylor murder is, I can't help but feel the same way--no way I can know what has really happened or what role Taylor did or didn't have in it.
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I hate that I missed that, and I couldn't agree more. Some of my friends once nicknamed me Benefit of the Doubt. However, I have never regretted the extra time to know the facts before offering an opinion. Too many times, things just aren't as they seem.
 
MJD of the DeBriefing had this to say today. He is normally a very funny read, but at other times he can be incredibly insightful. This is one of those times IMO.

There are those in the media who want to use the murder of Sean Taylor as a reason to talk about all the things wrong with young black people in America ... and sure, I guess there's room to do that. As it turns out, it just doesn't have anything to do with Sean Taylor.

I know we've been down this road before, and I don't want to again get into the fact that Taylor didn't know these people, he was at home, in bed early, and did nothing to bring any of this upon himself.

But, if in the wake of Taylor's death, we insist on talking about young black victims who couldn't shake a way of life, who made some bad decisions, and had some really bad friends, we can certainly do that. But we won't be talking about Sean Taylor ... we'll be talking about the people suspected of killing him.

(Also on Today's List: A brief and non-comprehensive ranking of the best ways for a sports league to determine their champion ... the Tigers seem to have done well for themselves in this Cabrera/Willis trade ... I'm a system quarterback, you're a system quarterback, everyone's a system quarterback ... and OJ Mayo was able to hold of OJ Mayobury for about 37 minutes last night...)

Seventeen-year-old Eric Rivera, 19-year-old Jason Scott Mitchell, 18-year-old Charles Kendrick Lee Wardlow, and 20-year-old Venjah K. Hunte were indicted yesterday by a grand jury in connection with the shooting death of Sean Taylor. Rivera was identified in the indictment as the triggerman. Mitchell, Wardlow, and Hunte are all being held on suicide watch.

Innocent until proven guilty and everything, but ... geez. Seventeen years old. Accused of pulling the trigger and killing a man. That's a tragedy in and of its own.

I used the word "victims" above, and that wasn't a typo. Please don't confuse this with my having sympathy for these guys, making excuses for them, or hoping for any leniency in the court system. If they're proven guilty of killing Sean Taylor in cold blood, I'm more than OK with anything the court wants to do to them.

I'm just shaken by the fact that the suspects are so young, and on suicide watch. There they were today, scared out of their minds and wearing odd-looking garments designed to prevent them from killing themselves ... that, to me, paints a picture of four kids who had mistaken Scarface for a way-of-life tutorial, wanted to play gangster, and didn't understand the consequences of what they were doing.

Someone got their hands on a gun, they broke into a rich guy's house, and very quickly, things got very real. Someone killed a man, and now, evidently, these young men want to kill themselves.

If you want to "not be surprised" that someone broke into Sean Taylor's house and killed him, that's fine. But the lack of surprise shouldn't be because Taylor somehow did something to bring this on himself ... the lack of surprise should surround the four young suspects, and that their lives had gone so wrong.

These are not the only young, foolish, trigger-happy young people out there. We've got a lot of them in the United States. It's way too easy for a young person to get to that point.

We've got a lot of guns on the streets. We've got too many young people who are introduced to crime as a way of life. We've got too many people in poverty-stricken, crime-ridden neighborhoods that are so full of hopelessness that there's not even a window to a better life. We've got too many parents and adults that neglect or misguide a child so frequently and so harshly that he ends up as a teenager in Sean Taylor's living room, holding a loaded gun. We've got a society that, with the right combination of the wrong circumstances, provides access to this life for young people way too easily.

That Sean Taylor was killed in his own home came as a surprise to me. That there are four young people out there who got so lost, and got involved in something so violent, so senseless, and so tragic ... unfortunately, no, that doesn't surprise me.
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