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Sam Bradford returning to OU

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I can't believe it. You're pretty much guaranteed to go top 5. Maybe #1. Why would you risk that?

Anyway, that screws us up a little bit. Another elite player will be taken before #15 now

I wonder if the thought of going to Detroit was just too much

I bet this plays out like it did for Leinart. That didn't end up working out too well for him
 
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What an *****!

God I hate the freaking country bumpkin Sooners. Now they'll probably be ranked higher than the Longhorns again next season and some how Texas will get screwed.

Why would he stay another year when he can cash in right now? I hope this puts him in later rounds next season and he loses a lot of money. I hate the Sooners.
 
gtexan02 said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3832957

I can't believe it. You're pretty much guaranteed to go top 5. Maybe #1. Why would you risk that?

Anyway, that screws us up a little bit. Another elite player will be taken before #15 now

I wonder if the thought of going to Detroit was just too much

I bet this plays out like it did for Leinart. That didn't end up working out too well for him
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It's not all about the money. This will help him when he turns pro. QB's in college need to stay as long as possible to get ready for the NFL.
 
Texecutioner said:
What an *****!

God I hate the freaking country bumpkin Sooners. Now they'll probably be ranked higher than the Longhorns again next season and some how Texas will get screwed.

Why would he stay another year when he can cash in right now? I hope this puts him in later rounds next season and he loses a lot of money. I hate the Sooners.
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No reason to be bitter.

He will be playing behind four new starters on the o line and lost all his top three WRs.

We should beat them again next year. Maybe this time it will actually count.
 
painekiller said:
Because he is not ready for the NFL. Why did Colt go back? He is farther along as a QB than Bradford IMO.
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Even as a Texas fan I disagree with that. Colt takes at least 90% of his snaps in the shotgun. Bradford is closer to 40-50%.

Colt has more zip on his short passes and is easily more athletic, but Bradford has the edge on all routes 15+.
 
bah007 said:
Even as a Texas fan I disagree with that. Colt takes at least 90% of his snaps in the shotgun. Bradford is closer to 40-50%.

Colt has more zip on his short passes and is easily more athletic, but Bradford has the edge on all routes 15+.
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I was about to comment on that post, but you beat me to it and hit the nail on the head. Good for Bradford though, it seems too many young college players are taking too big of a risk by entering the draft early when they should go back a year.
 
Dumb, dumb, dumb! What else does he have to prove? Oklahoma is not going to win the championship next season. All he is doing is potentially hurting his draft stock. A Top 5 pick not entering the draft? This has been a weird year already. McCoy, Mays, and now Bradford?!? What the hell are they thinking?
 
bah007 said:
Even as a Texas fan I disagree with that. Colt takes at least 90% of his snaps in the shotgun. Bradford is closer to 40-50%.

Colt has more zip on his short passes and is easily more athletic, but Bradford has the edge on all routes 15+.
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I used to think McCoy just wasn't an NFL QB. He proved me wrong this season, his throws are looking a lot better. I see McCoy, I see the perfect QB for Mike Shannahan. I like his arms, I like his legs, I just like him as a player, even though I don't like how he and Mack Brown went on a media tour bashing the BCS and Oklahoma/Florida.

Bradford, though, just looks like an NFL QB. I think he has some things to work out, like playing under pressure, but I'm sure I'll be hearing his name on Sundays in a few years. It'd be awesome to see Bradford and McCoy get drafted into the same division and have them fight it out a few more years.
 
Revolution said:
I just want these guys to turn pro so the Texans have more good players fall to their draft slot!

Call me greedy!

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Yeah thats why I would have liked Bradford to declare as well. At least Sanchez from USC declared, hes not guaranteed to be a top 15 pick but I would bet he goes before our pick.
 
bah007 said:
No reason to be bitter.

He will be playing behind four new starters on the o line and lost all his top three WRs.

We should beat them again next year. Maybe this time it will actually count.
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I can't help it. I just hate Oklahoma with such a passion. Beating them is never a lock, especially when Greg Davis is our play caller. We may have won the last 3 out of 4, but history in the Stoops vs. Mack match ups will tell you that when Oklahoma has a QB past his sophmore season we lose those. The only recent year where we beat them when they didn't was when Colt was a Freshman and they lost Bomar to that scandal and they had to switch their WR back over to QB so that really doesn't count and Oklahoma still won the Big 12 any way that year. Every QB that Oklahoma gets is good so that isn't really the issue. When they had White, Heupal, and Hyble we lost those. And Bradford has already beaten us once, and threw for like 4 or 5 TD's in the last match up this year. I think we can win, but I was feeling really good about next year with Bradford not being there and them needing a new starter. With the game plans that Mack and Greg Davis throw out there in a lot of these Big Games, it does worry me for next year.

This is a bad move though. His stock is high now and there is no guarantee that it will be as high next year and even just ten slots back in the first round is a lot of money that you're losing when their is no guarantee that you'll even be a starter your entire career. That first contract that a ton of first round college athletes get is their highest one because so many of them become busts or sub par players so you have to hit the jack pot when the slot machine is hot.
 
gtexan02 said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3832957

I can't believe it. You're pretty much guaranteed to go top 5. Maybe #1. Why would you risk that?

Anyway, that screws us up a little bit. Another elite player will be taken before #15 now

I wonder if the thought of going to Detroit was just too much

I bet this plays out like it did for Leinart. That didn't end up working out too well for him
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Going to Detroit might've killed it. Next year could end up being an interesting year for QBs in the draft.

I don't know if the Leinart comparison is apt though. Bradford has a stronger arm and plays in a tougher division. He just might not feel he's ready and to be honest in the day when semi decent players will try to bolt it's nice to see a guy return, even if I don't like the program.
 
If going to Detroit is such a deal breaker, what is he going to do if Detroit has the #1,2 or three next year? Stay in school again?

Its just too risky. Get drafted #1. Get your money, and hope you can bring a winning attitude to a franchise with a new GM and new head coach.
 
Texan JBZ said:
Dumb, dumb, dumb! What else does he have to prove? Oklahoma is not going to win the championship next season. All he is doing is potentially hurting his draft stock. A Top 5 pick not entering the draft? This has been a weird year already. McCoy, Mays, and now Bradford?!? What the hell are they thinking?
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I would do anything NOT to play in Detroit. I think that was a big part of it.
 
LORK 88 said:
I was about to comment on that post, but you beat me to it and hit the nail on the head. Good for Bradford though, it seems too many young college players are taking too big of a risk by entering the draft early when they should go back a year.
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I think he should have taken that risk , he had $50 Million reasons to do so , an injury or a regression in his play will cost him lots of money .... Even though Lienart isnt getting any snaps and even if he never plays another meaningful down he's pretty much set for life with the contract he signed. I believe he was guaranteed $24 Million ..... think of how long it takes the average employee to make $24 Million .... With an average wage of $42,000 it takes 571.42 years just to put it in perspective.
 
What you really should be asking is why Colt decided not to come out. His stock is never going to be any higher than it is right now either. Maybe they both just feel they aren't ready yet. Bradford's just finishing only his 2nd year as a starter & we all saw what the extra year of conditioning & lifting did for Colt & his physique.

Staying in college 1 more year won't hurt either of them.
 
Mr teX said:
What you really should be asking is why Colt decided not to come out. His stock is never going to be any higher than it is right now either. Maybe they both just feel they aren't ready yet. Bradford's just finishing only his 2nd year as a starter & we all saw what the extra year of conditioning & lifting did for Colt & his physique.

Staying in college 1 more year won't hurt either of them.
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Why do you keep talking about Colt? Why would Colt come out this year? There isn't any consensus that he would even be drafted in the first round at all? Colt won't be a high prospect in the draft ever I don't think. He isn't tall enough for what the scouts like to see. Colt doesn't really have that strong of an arm for the NFL either. When Colt does enter the draft, I'd be shocked if he went before the 3rd round and he could easily slip to like the 5th or 6th round.
 
mexican_texan said:
I used to think McCoy just wasn't an NFL QB. He proved me wrong this season, his throws are looking a lot better. I see McCoy, I see the perfect QB for Mike Shannahan. I like his arms, I like his legs, I just like him as a player, even though I don't like how he and Mack Brown went on a media tour bashing the BCS and Oklahoma/Florida.

Bradford, though, just looks like an NFL QB. I think he has some things to work out, like playing under pressure, but I'm sure I'll be hearing his name on Sundays in a few years. It'd be awesome to see Bradford and McCoy get drafted into the same division and have them fight it out a few more years.
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Good post overall, but I didn't see any complaints on this board when Pete Carroll and Joe Paterno were bashing the BCS.

Everyone on this board does it too, but as soon as Mack Brown does it there were people complaining.
 
gtexan02 said:
No idea about the arm strength, but I checked about the height and McCoy is listed as 6'3". Thats the exct average for starting QBs in the NFL

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_height_of_an_nfl_quarterback
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That has to be incorrect, because I've never heard that Colt is 6'3 anywhere. He is like 6 feet tall, hell you could look at him and tell that he isn't 6'3.

I don't totally agree with NFL scouts that QB's have to be so tall, but that is just the way it is. THey seem to forget about this guy named Breeze who is only like 6 feet tall and the best passer in the league.
 
bah007 said:
Good post overall, but I didn't see any complaints on this board when Pete Carroll and Joe Paterno were bashing the BCS.

Everyone on this board does it too, but as soon as Mack Brown does it there were people complaining.
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Why shouldn't they bash the BcS? It is a horrible system that screws teams every year. Mack is right.
 
Texecutioner said:
Why do you keep talking about Colt? Why would Colt come out this year? There isn't any consensus that he would even be drafted in the first round at all? Colt won't be a high prospect in the draft ever I don't think. He isn't tall enough for what the scouts like to see. Colt doesn't really have that strong of an arm for the NFL either. When Colt does enter the draft, I'd be shocked if he went before the 3rd round and he could easily slip to like the 5th or 6th round.
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Which is why i said that about Colt. Hell, if having nearly an 80% completion percentage, 30 - 7 record as a starter & accounting for probably about 60 + % of your teams total offense isn't going to get u in the 1st round...nothing you do after all that will.

& 6-3 my #$%. He's probably closer to 6-1. But in watching him, i bet it's more than just his height imo. They probably prefer his release to be more over the top for his height, & he does have injury history too. This was more the best time for him to come out than Bradford just b/c they'll probably be less quality qb's coming out this year as opposed to next year....assuming Bradford & Tebow impress enough next year.
 
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=175772
Height 6'3"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_McCoy
Height 6'3"

http://www.coltmccoyfans.org/
Height 6'3"

http://texas.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=56312
Height 6'3"

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/players/134939
Height 6'3"

If you Google "how tall is colt mccoy" It automatically pops up.... 6'3"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...=result&cd=1&q=how+tall+is+colt+mccoy&spell=1

colt mccoy 6'3"
http://california.scout.com/a.z?s=166&p=8&c=1&nid=2423439


A lot of times players have variability in their measurements. This guy is consistent across the board.
 
Mr teX said:
Which is why i said that about Colt. Hell, if having nearly an 80% completion percentage, 30 - 7 record as a starter & accounting for probably about 60 + % of your teams total offense isn't going to get u in the 1st round...nothing you do after all that will.

& 6-3 my #$%. He's probably closer to 6-1.
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Those are scewed stats though in this situation, because 90% of Colt's passes were dink and dunk passes on slants, hitches, and little 10 to 12 yard curl routes. He wasn't throwing down the field much to get that completion % as high as it is. Now I'm not trying to discredit what he did and accomplished because he was great at doing what he was asked to do, but NFL scouts aren't going to be impressed with a guy with those types of #'s who did with a bunch of short pass plays. And hell Colt throws a nice deep ball down the field. He throws it a lot more accurate than what people think. The problem is that Greg Davis won't ever let him do it. And scouts will see that even though he can throw a nice deep ball as fas as the accuracy, but he can't launch it down the field. He is limited in how far down the field he can get the ball.

It's like Bah mentioned earlier when comparing Bradford to Colt. Colt will beat out anyone in the range of 15 yards as far as accuracy, but 15 yards and further Bradford is much better. No team is going to try and make a guy around 6 feet tall that doesn't have a real strong arm their franchise QB. I sure as hell wouldn't do it.
 
gtexan02 said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=175772
Height 6'3"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_McCoy
Height 6'3"

http://www.coltmccoyfans.org/
Height 6'3"

http://texas.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=56312
Height 6'3"

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/players/134939
Height 6'3"

If you Google "how tall is colt mccoy" It automatically pops up.... 6'3"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...=result&cd=1&q=how+tall+is+colt+mccoy&spell=1

colt mccoy 6'3"
http://california.scout.com/a.z?s=166&p=8&c=1&nid=2423439


A lot of times players have variability in their measurements. This guy is consistent across the board.
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I guarantee you he isn't 6'3, and one major thing that you are either not aware of or are forgetting is that players have been lying about their height for years and years. It comes out every off season when guys go to Pro Work outs and the combine that they are an inch or two shorter than what they were previously listed as. Just pay attention when the combine comes to certain WR's and QB's especially and you'll see where guys measurements don't end up adding up to where they were listed as in college. It happens every year. It happens in basketball as well.
 
Texecutioner said:
I guarantee you he isn't 6'3, and one major thing that you are either not aware of or are forgetting is that players have been lying about their height for years and years. It comes out every off season when guys go to Pro Work outs and the combine that they are an inch or two shorter than what they were previously listed as. Just pay attention when the combine comes to certain WR's and QB's especially and you'll see where guys measurements don't end up adding up to where they were listed as in college. It happens every year. It happens in basketball as well.
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Plus most times those measurements that are popping up over the internet are coming straight from the UT media guide where we know they lie about height & weight.
 
Texecutioner said:
Those are scewed stats though in this situation, because 90% of Colt's passes were dink and dunk passes on slants, hitches, and little 10 to 12 yard curl routes. He wasn't throwing down the field much to get that completion % as high as it is. Now I'm not trying to discredit what he did and accomplished because he was great at doing what he was asked to do, but NFL scouts aren't going to be impressed with a guy with those types of #'s who did with a bunch of short pass plays. And hell Colt throws a nice deep ball down the field. He throws it a lot more accurate than what people think. The problem is that Greg Davis won't ever let him do it. And scouts will see that even though he can throw a nice deep ball as fas as the accuracy, but he can't launch it down the field. He is limited in how far down the field he can get the ball.

It's like Bah mentioned earlier when comparing Bradford to Colt. Colt will beat out anyone in the range of 15 yards as far as accuracy, but 15 yards and further Bradford is much better. No team is going to try and make a guy around 6 feet tall that doesn't have a real strong arm their franchise QB. I sure as hell wouldn't do it.
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Hey i agree with you, i'm just saying this was his best time more so than bradford's just b/c his ceiling is set for the most part imo. Bradford might've been the 1st qb off the board but not necessarily #1 overall especially with Sanchez now declaring. If he comes out next year with the same quality stats, it's a near certainty he'll be the #1 guy.
 
bah007 said:
I think Mack is right to bash it. Everyone else does and they didn't get screwed like he did.
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If Mack wants to change it, he should have refused to play in the Fiesta Bowl. Let thier precious big market teams sit a at home a few times and they will dump it quick.
 
Texecutioner said:
I guarantee you he isn't 6'3, and one major thing that you are either not aware of or are forgetting is that players have been lying about their height for years and years. It comes out every off season when guys go to Pro Work outs and the combine that they are an inch or two shorter than what they were previously listed as. Just pay attention when the combine comes to certain WR's and QB's especially and you'll see where guys measurements don't end up adding up to where they were listed as in college. It happens every year. It happens in basketball as well.
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Good points
 
BigBull17 said:
If Mack wants to change it, he should have refused to play in the Fiesta Bowl. Let thier precious big market teams sit a at home a few times and they will dump it quick.
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Mack couldn't just do that and you know it. Mack still has a boss, and they wouldn't just say "Okay Mack you send them a message".

The Big 12, the SEC, The ACC, and a few other conferences don't want a playoff, because the NCAA would get a ton of the money while right now the BIG CASH COW from the bowls goes to the schools. The BcS operates outside of the NCAA and is one of the only sports in all of college that does. Texas, Oklahoma and all the rest of the Big schools in the BIG 12 including the Big 12 commisioners don't want a playoff because they know they would have to operate it within the NCAA and they feel like they would lose a lot of money because again, the money from the bowls goes to the schools and their conferences and that split of funds would most likely not be there with a playoff system.

None of it is fair and it is all very corrupt out of greed, but that is the way it is right now.
 
gtexan02 said:
Good points
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Hey, I'd love to agree with you on this and see Colt get drafted and do well, but I don't think he'll ever be an NFL starting QB.

Like I was saying before I don't totally agree with this consensus that QB's have to be 6'3 plus to be successful in the NFL. Scouts and GM's tend to believe that with all of these D Lineman getting taller and bigger that they'll knock down all of their passes which is true but not as big of a deal as they act like it is.

Again look at Drew Breeze who is like 6 feet tall. He may have some passes knocked down here and there, but he still throws the ball better than anyone right now, so would you rather have a 6'4 guy who is a moderate passer and has a few less passes knocked down by D lineman or an elite QB and great passer at 6 feet tall that has more passes knocked down but still torches defenses every week? I'll take the 6 foot guy who can torch the majority of defenses. Colt doesn't have an arm like Breeze though.
 
Texecutioner said:
Mack couldn't just do that and you know it. Mack still has a boss, and they wouldn't just say "Okay Mack you send them a message".

The Big 12, the SEC, The ACC, and a few other conferences don't want a playoff, because the NCAA would get a ton of the money while right now the BIG CASH COW from the bowls goes to the schools. The BcS operates outside of the NCAA and is one of the only sports in all of college that does. Texas, Oklahoma and all the rest of the Big schools in the BIG 12 including the Big 12 commisioners don't want a playoff because they know they would have to operate it within the NCAA and they feel like they would lose a lot of money because again, the money from the bowls goes to the schools and their conferences and that split of funds would most likely not be there with a playoff system.

None of it is fair and it is all very corrupt out of greed, but that is the way it is right now.
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I agree, but if they arent gonna make a stand, then shut up and count your money.
 
bah007 said:
Good post overall, but I didn't see any complaints on this board when Pete Carroll and Joe Paterno were bashing the BCS.

Everyone on this board does it too, but as soon as Mack Brown does it there were people complaining.
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No one went on a media tour like them. On the Dan Patrick show alone, Colt McCoy went on the day of the Heisman, and after the Bowl game, and Mack Brown went on two or three times. They weren't there to talk football, they were there to bash the BCS. I get they were upset, but they lost just like a couple other teams. I see TCU and Utah as better cases for a playoff.
 
BigBull17 said:
I agree, but if they arent gonna make a stand, then shut up and count your money.
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It isn't on Mack. He is just a coach that gets a salary. It's the school commissioners and the Big 12 commissioners that get the extra money for the bowl games. Mack is just doing his job by voicing his opinion like he should.
 
Texecutioner said:
It isn't on Mack. He is just a coach that gets a salary. It's the school commissioners and the Big 12 commissioners that get the extra money for the bowl games. Mack is just doing his job by voicing his opinion like he should.
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Correct.

Mack can't just pull his team out of the Fiesta Bowl...unless he wants to get fired by the AD.
 
mexican_texan said:
No one went on a media tour like them. On the Dan Patrick show alone, Colt McCoy went on the day of the Heisman, and after the Bowl game, and Mack Brown went on two or three times. They weren't there to talk football, they were there to bash the BCS. I get they were upset, but they lost just like a couple other teams. I see TCU and Utah as better cases for a playoff.
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TCU and Utah need to petition to get into a stronger conference before they whine about anything. I'm tired of hearing about them and Boise State every year. Go compete or at least try to join another top conference and then they can whine about not getting the BcS respect.
 
I'm a Texas homer and I would have voted Utah #1 if I had a vote. They beat some good teams and didn't trip up against anyone.

Too bad they backed out of our game this year though. Texas vs. Utah would have been an incredible non-conference game this season. It was all lined up and they got cold feet.

I guess they shouldn't whine since they weren't willing to step up.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/longhorns/01/15//0115texfoot.html

...That might have been bolstered if a three-game series with Utah had not fallen through. Texas and Utah had a "letter agreement" in 2000 on a series that would have played two games in Austin in 2007 and 2009 with an away game in Salt Lake City in 2008.

"Before we got to the formal contract phase, Utah decided not to do it," Worley said. "They indicated they'd rather not play."

Utah finished 13-0 as the only unbeaten Division I-A football team in the country and was No. 2 behind BCS champion Florida in the final Associated Press poll. The Utes might have benefited from a game with Texas, because their strength of schedule was 56th, according to Sagarin. Texas and Utah have not talked about any dates since...
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bah007 said:
I'm a Texas homer and I would have voted Utah #1 if I had a vote. They beat some good teams and didn't trip up against anyone.

Too bad they backed out of our game this year though. Texas vs. Utah would have been an incredible non-conference game this year. It was all lined up and they got cold feet.

I guess they shouldn't whine since they weren't willing to step up.
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They shouldn't whine until they at least make a strong campaign to join a respectable conference. The way it stands now they'll NEVER have a shot at a National title so why are they even wasting their time? Their constant bitching will just get ignored if this situation arises for them again. If they were making some strong campaigns to join the BIG 10 at least and weren't being allowed to or were being held back from it then I could sympathize with their perspective. But simply staying in the pony conference they are currently in and having these GREAT seasons every two to three years doesn't really prove that much in my opinion.
 
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