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Sage Rosenfels a candidate for Starting QB Job in 2007

WildBlackBear32 said:
They are not sure Jake Plummer would be an upgrade over Rosenfels??? I can't take that seriously...
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Jake Plummer would come here because of Gary Kubiak. However, I feel Plummer would be a better backup. Plummer is interception-happy. Rosenfels is the better QB, IMO.
 
MrMeToo said:
Regretfully so...It's sad that Sage Rosenfels is way better than our 1st string QB.
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Based on what?? Why do people see Sage through rose coloured glasses?? :brickwall

Remeber this is the guy that coudn't beat out Gus Frerrotte in Miami and made that organisation think the footballer formally known as Culpepper would be an upgrade too.

Sure I am for letting him compete for the job, heck allow all comers a shot at the job so we get the best player available to do the job, but lets not go and crown the court jester.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Based on what?? Why do people see Sage through rose coloured glasses?? :brickwall
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Maybe because against the Titans he came in for David Carr and threw 3 TDs in less than half a game and we almost came back and won. I don't think that David Carr has thrown for 3 TDs in a game this year, much less a half.
 
TexanFan881 said:
Maybe because against the Titans he came in for David Carr and threw 3 TDs in less than half a game and we almost came back and won. I don't think that David Carr has thrown for 3 TDs in a game this year, much less a half.
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Perhaps that was because they were already down by a ton and the Titans were playing soft prevent defense. Look at your sample size there. Its like saying I saw a guy who ran for 25 yards in the last 5 minutes of a game and then expecting him to run for 300 yards every week.
 
dunta23 said:
oh god how many times do people have to say this

HES ON IR
but i like sage when he played in the titans game i like the way he looks in the pocket, he looks for confortable then david carr, and his throwin motion looks better to
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Don't waste your breath, Dunta23, some people just don't read the other posts.... or pay attention to what is happening with the team...

BTW, when does P-Buc get back on the field :hides:
 
I never saw him play in Miami how did he do there? he seems to be similar to DC in the fact he doesn't go deep and loves little short passes, to safe i guess
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Based on what?? Why do people see Sage through rose coloured glasses?? :brickwall

Remeber this is the guy that coudn't beat out Gus Frerrotte in Miami and made that organisation think the footballer formally known as Culpepper would be an upgrade too.

Sure I am for letting him compete for the job, heck allow all comers a shot at the job so we get the best player available to do the job, but lets not go and crown the court jester.
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Gus Frerotte was the Dolphins' "pretty boy". In other words, "I play, and no one else does, regardless." The Phins lost faith in Feeley, so Frerotte got the nod. In 2004, Feeley was benched in favor of Rosenfels. He threw for four touchdowns, and filled in for Jay Fiedler when he was injured, throwing a touchdown in a three-season span.
 
well I know that Plummer was sat for a reason. I am not sure I want another Incompetant QB. I also don't want to be referred to as the Bronco II's or the Houston Broncos. Kubiak i know you're from Denver but you're in Texas now lets do something here and start a new
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Perhaps that was because they were already down by a ton and the Titans were playing soft prevent defense. Look at your sample size there. Its like saying I saw a guy who ran for 25 yards in the last 5 minutes of a game and then expecting him to run for 300 yards every week.
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They're not going to stop trying even if they have a 20 point lead. Look at the Patriots last week, they didn't stop trying after they were up by 21, they kept going and scored 40 points. Against the Titans it's not like they were down by 20 and we only scored once, Sage scored 3 times. You're telling me they weren't trying at all from the point we were done by a ton to the point that we were only down by 6?

And I know it's only a "small sample" size of action, but what else makes you believe that he can't be better than David or Plummer or whoever we bring in? Last year in Miami? There hasn't been any proof that he can't do a better job. And if you want to say that he hasn't been good in the past I don't think that is any kind of proof, look at Jeff Garcia this year. He has never been that good but look what he's doing in Philly right now. Until he gets out there and fumbles the ball three times in a game our throws two interceptions in the first quarter and four in a game, I don't see any reason to believe he can't be a decent starter for us.
 
dunta23 said:
oh god how many times do people have to say this

HES ON IR
but i like sage when he played in the titans game i like the way he looks in the pocket, he looks for confortable then david carr, and his throwin motion looks better to
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oh **** i went brain dead sorry about that..i knew that
 
TexanFan881 said:
And if you want to say that he hasn't been good in the past I don't think that is any kind of proof, look at Jeff Garcia this year. He has never been that good but look what he's doing in Philly right now.
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You are talking about the same Garcia who has been to 3 pro bowls aren't you??? Not good/been to 3 pro bowls.... man I wish Carr was that poorly performed.... is there any other gems you want to bring to the table??

Garcia Career Stats
Passing Rushing Fumb.
Year Team G Comp Att Pct. Yds TD Int
2000 SF 16 355 561 63.3 4278 31 10
2001 SF 16 316 504 62.7 3538 32 12
2002 SF 16 328 528 62.1 3344 21 10
2003 SF 13 225 392 57.4 2704 18 13

Here are Rosenfels for comparison

Career Stats
Year Team G Comp Att Pct. Yds TD INT
2002 MIA 2 0 3 0.0 0 0 1
2003 MIA 2 4 6 66.7 50 1 0
2004 MIA 3 16 39 41.0 264 1 3
2005 MIA 4 34 61 55.7 462 4 3

Way to compare apples with apples.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
You are talking about the same Garcia who has been to 3 pro bowls aren't you??? Not good/been to 3 pro bowls.... man I wish Carr was that poorly performed.... is there any other gems you want to bring to the table??

Garcia Career Stats
Passing Rushing Fumb.
Year Team G Comp Att Pct. Yds TD Int
2000 SF 16 355 561 63.3 4278 31 10
2001 SF 16 316 504 62.7 3538 32 12
2002 SF 16 328 528 62.1 3344 21 10
2003 SF 13 225 392 57.4 2704 18 13

Here are Rosenfels for comparison

Career Stats
Year Team G Comp Att Pct. Yds TD INT
2002 MIA 2 0 3 0.0 0 0 1
2003 MIA 2 4 6 66.7 50 1 0
2004 MIA 3 16 39 41.0 264 1 3
2005 MIA 4 34 61 55.7 462 4 3

Way to compare apples with apples.
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Garcia is way better, but Rosenfels is/will be better than Carr
 
Andrew6 said:
I never saw him play in Miami how did he do there? he seems to be similar to DC in the fact he doesn't go deep and loves little short passes, to safe i guess
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He was a Back up in Miami...Seems when he did come into the game, he actually made several come backs to win the game when they were down...Like he almost did when Carr was benched for the first Titans game...Look at the guys stats just the short time he was in for Carr...I think he deserves a chance, at least for a whole game to see how he does...
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Can you give me some proof to that?? that is all I ask, I could say Porter is actually the answer and he will be better than Joe Montana but what is my evidence?
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Garcia moves around in the pocket, while Rosenfels is strictly a pocket passer. Consider:

Rosenfels:
81/148, 1041 yards, 9 TD, 7 INT, 77.6 rating
Experience: 6
GS: 2

Garcia:
1795/2947, 20118 yards, 135 TD, 72 INT, 86.4 rating
Experience: 8
GS: 90
 
One of the things that make me wonder about Rosenfels is that he has been in the league 6 years on teams with questionable quarterback situations and he has never won the starters job. 6 years is a pretty decent time to prve yourself in practice.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
One of the things that make me wonder about Rosenfels is that he has been in the league 6 years on teams with questionable quarterback situations and he has never won the starters job. 6 years is a pretty decent time to prve yourself in practice.
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Yeah....... kinda sound like Jake Delhomme, or Kurt Warner......
 
I thought that this season would be better for David. I had my hopes up that he would do great. I still think that the O-line needs some work. Not to mention that a good deal of them are injured. I still would have loved to see David do great. Anyway, I don't mind who they make the starter, just as long as we have more than four wins next season. I will actually be in Texas to go to some games next year. I would also like to see Wali play more. I think that he will end up being a good pick for us, I hope that they play him more next year. I don't know if I would release David, maybe trade him for a rather decent WR coach. I don't know though.
 
Did I miss something? Has it been decided that Carr is gone next year? I have not heard that, but i've been working the last few days.
 
IF its Plummer or Sage, I'd prefer Sage with a rookie in waiting IF Carr is traded or released.

I think we should give Dave Ragone a chance! He was great in Europe! ACTIVATE RAGONE! ACTIVATE RAGONE! :hides:
 
kenneth24 said:
IF its Plummer or Sage, I'd prefer Sage with a rookie in waiting IF Carr is traded or released.

I think we should give Dave Ragone a chance! He was great in Europe! ACTIVATE RAGONE! ACTIVATE RAGONE! :hides:
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Ragone is a Free Agent, I believe
 
Just heard reported this morning that the Bears and Vikings are talking to Jeff Garcia. I doubt he'd come here anyway.
 
Minotaur said:
Garcia is way better, but Rosenfels is/will be better than Carr
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Hmmm i dunno how you get that. Sure he hasnt been given the opportunity to start and prove he may be better than Carr, but you cant just assume he will be better, plus there is no evidence to support that. ^^^^ As most agree.
 
Plummer probably would be an upgrade from Rosenfels or Carr in the short term.

However, the price tage of Plummer, taking into consideration Carr's dead money, if any, makes the price of ownership impractacle.

A very good example similar to this situation is Reggie Bush, any team in the league would want Reggie Bush on their roster. However, paying $50+ million for his services just doesn't make sense.

Same here with Carr and/or bringing in a high priced vet. The numbers don't work from a finanical perspective and cap management.

Probably the best route is to give Rosenfels the shot to start if Kubiak likes what he has seen so far and bring in a rookie or some cheap guy with talent to groom as backup and/or competition.

Besides, if Kubiak is such a great QB coach and an offensive mind, we should be able to do get by with Rosenfels for next season and still improve as a team.

The goal next season is to get to 10 wins but not mortgage the team's future in doing so. That is why Plummer is not a good idea! He is a short-term fix but causing problems in the long-term.
 
Minotaur said:
Garcia is way better, but Rosenfels is/will be better than Carr
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If Sage was better than Carr then he would be on the field. That's a fact.

Kubiak wouldn't keep playing Carr if Sage was killin it on the practice field.

There is no logical arguement that you can make to help prove that Sage is better.

He has been in the league one year longer than Carr, but Carr has wayyy more experience. Sage has only played in 17 games in his career. Carr has started 75.

There are no stats that prove that Sage is better.

Could he possibly be better? Of course. But what do you know about him that makes you so sure that he is better than Carr?
 
bah007 said:
If Sage was better than Carr then he would be on the field. That's a fact.

Kubiak wouldn't keep playing Carr if Sage was killin it on the practice field.
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This gets back to something I've said before and that makes a lot of sense to me. Because of all the damage that he's taken, I think Carr is the kind of player that looks GREAT in practice and then falls apart in the games. When he knows he's not going to take the shot, his mechanics are good and he makes the right reads and can make all the throws. But you get him in a situation where he thinks he's going to start taking shots, and everything goes to hell.

Carr probably looks like the next coming of John Elway in practice but come Sunday, he looks like an inexperienced backup.

Without the injury, I think Sage would have been starting the last few games this past season.
 
bah007 said:
If Sage was better than Carr then he would be on the field. That's a fact.

Kubiak wouldn't keep playing Carr if Sage was killin it on the practice field.

There is no logical arguement that you can make to help prove that Sage is better.

He has been in the league one year longer than Carr, but Carr has wayyy more experience. Sage has only played in 17 games in his career. Carr has started 75.

There are no stats that prove that Sage is better.

Could he possibly be better? Of course. But what do you know about him that makes you so sure that he is better than Carr?
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David's fumbles/Ints.....
Philly 0 fumbles 0 Ints
Indy 3 fumbles(2 lost)/ 0 Ints
Was 3 fumbles(2 lost)/ 1 Int
Mia 2 fumbles(1 lost)/ 1 Int
Dallas 0 fumbles/ 2 Ints
Jax 0 fumbles/0 Ints
Ten 2 fumbles(2 lost)/1 Int
NYG 0 fumbles/0 Int
Jax 0 fumbles/ 0 Int
Buf 1 fumble/1 Int
NYJ 0 fumbles/1 Int
Oak 3 fumbles(2 lost)/ 0 Int
Ten 0 fumbles/ 0 Int
NE 1 fumble(1 lost)/4 Int
Indy 0 fumble/0 Int
Clev 1 fumble(1 lost)/1 Int



How bad does it have to get before it's worth a shot to try the other guy??

I guarantee you the guy's hands were tied. Nobody in their right mind would have kept sending him out there time after time, after time....... after time.
 
TexansTrueFan said:
Hmmm i dunno how you get that. Sure he hasnt been given the opportunity to start and prove he may be better than Carr, but you cant just assume he will be better, plus there is no evidence to support that. ^^^^ As most agree.
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...assume/evidence/most agree??...sounds good to me--why don't you get us started?
 
I think Carr will be gone by the end of the month and Plummer will come in and Sage will remain a back-up like he was at Miami.When they repeat their 6-10 season or worst people will question why did they release David Carr?
 
petedy said:
I think Carr will be gone by the end of the month and Plummer will come in and Sage will remain a back-up like he was at Miami.When they repeat their 6-10 season or worst people will question why did they release David Carr?
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I think you are very likely right. And nobody here will be happy with Plummer. It will be like Denver all over again for him. However, I also think that the climate in Houston may be too hostile for Carr and He probably needs to go somewhere else to get a fresh start. My only regret is that we never got a chance to see what he could do behind a decent o-line. Maybe the next Houston QB will get one. If not, people will be lamenting DC's departure for sure.
 
I wonder, if Carr does go somewheres else and he does fantastic, will ppl admit maybe it wasn't Carr that was the problem, but our o-line?? Personally i think its the total package...Not just Carr...But since he's already lost his confidence to the max, he would have a better chance elsewhere to redeem himself then if he stayed here.
 
thunderkyss said:
David's fumbles/Ints.....
Philly 0 fumbles 0 Ints
Indy 3 fumbles(2 lost)/ 0 Ints
Was 3 fumbles(2 lost)/ 1 Int
Mia 2 fumbles(1 lost)/ 1 Int
Dallas 0 fumbles/ 2 Ints
Jax 0 fumbles/0 Ints
Ten 2 fumbles(2 lost)/1 Int
NYG 0 fumbles/0 Int
Jax 0 fumbles/ 0 Int
Buf 1 fumble/1 Int
NYJ 0 fumbles/1 Int
Oak 3 fumbles(2 lost)/ 0 Int
Ten 0 fumbles/ 0 Int
NE 1 fumble(1 lost)/4 Int
Indy 0 fumble/0 Int
Clev 1 fumble(1 lost)/1 Int



How bad does it have to get before it's worth a shot to try the other guy??

I guarantee you the guy's hands were tied. Nobody in their right mind would have kept sending him out there time after time, after time....... after time.
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Got a link for those stats?

I'm not getting the same results at all. For example, the Cleveland game, I'm not seeing where we lost a fumble. IIRC, it occured on the handoff to Chris Taylor but Taylor recovered it. David Carr was charged with the fumble but it was not a lost fumble.

I'm seeing the same for the NE game - no lost fumbles.. just the 4 INT's..
 
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