Some folks on here have talked about finding a tall Safety with speed to cover the tall athletic TE's in the league. What would yall think of Tharold Simon-CB from LSU, and move him to Safety? He's listed as 6'02 and 193 lbs. with 4.54 projected speed. I don't know much about him but from the film I've seen he's fairly good at coverage with good athleticism. Also we need a Safety with coverage skills, not a old school thumper.
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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Thats my thought as well...i want a guy who covers a lot of territory and has a knack for int's. I wonder if thats the consensus? Sounds like lots of folks have a pollard type in mind.
Most of the guys we discuss here have better coverage skill than Pollard; quite a few of them might be even better (in time or soon enough) than Quin on the bigger TEs and some of them are ball hawks with good range (speed).
If you're looking for that type of S the two that I really like are Tony jefferson in rd 3 or Duke Williams in Rd 4-5. Viccaro is the best and will probably be a top 20 pick.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I guess the real question is in a 3 safety set do you want quinn or manning on the wideout/tightend and the drafted guy closer to the box? Are we trying to fix coverage issues or run support/te coverage. As i said, i think quin does "ok" even against bigger te's. I want a centerfielder who safely gives us more opportunities to blitz. Your right about pollard. He's a good run defender and enforcer but most safetys are better in coverage. Bad example.
Quin still didn't do very well against the TEs; he did OK.
We can go several ways in the draft:
- Get a ball hawk (higher pick) and let Quin (if he's resigned) remains where he is.
- Move Quin back permanently to deep safety and draft a big safety with coverage skill on TEs.
- Get an ILB with coverage skill so we don't have to go to dime much (only against no back set.)
In nickel, this ILB and Cushing will take on the TE & RB, Harris or McCain (if he's resigned) will take on the slot, and Quin/Manning will play 2 deep safeties.
If one of the ILBs go down on a zone dog, one of the OLBs would drop back to take over coverage duty.
If we go with a 5-man blitz, either Quin or Manning will take the TE.
I'm with you. Gover Quin was excellent in pass coverage on TEs this year. Gronk is going to get his, Hernandez is going to get his, especially when the refs allow you to get run over. I don't think anyone did as well against the big, fast TEs as Quin did & I don't know if it's possible (these TEs are still relatively new).
What we need is a safety who can make plays on the ball. Either get another good man coverage safeties & allow Manning to stay back, or get a true ball hawking safety to play center field & let Manning play up.
I like what Quin & Manning are doing close to the LOS. Manning I think is better on the blitzes & run, Quin better in coverage & more physical with them big TEs.
So I lean more to a true ball-hawking safety. But if we get an in-the-box guy, that will allow us to let Manning roam on the back end.
I think this is where the game is evolving. Glover Quin was a corner who played well against the run. Even before the move to safety, he kicked inside & we put McCain outside. Quin played like a LB with coverage skills, but he's too small to be considered a LB, which makes him a safety.
Now we've got that guy you were asking about last week on the practice squad. A safety who got too big, so he was moved to ILB. If he can cover like a corner (most safeties can't) then he may be what we're looking for.
Tony Gonzales, Antonio Gates, Jason Whitten, Dallas Clark, Owen Daniels, Vernon Davis, Jimmy Graham, Gronkosky, Jermaine Gresham, Jermichael Finley, Matellus Bennett......... These big WRs are becoming more & more the norm.
Wolf
100% Texan
Nfl.com mocks LSU Reid to us in first
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100?campaign=Facebook_writers_jeremiah
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That's the one pick, so far, that sounds like something the Texans would do. Outside the box, as most of us haven't identified safety as such a high need, but it makes sense. Sense in so much as we could definitely use some help on the back end.
But this doesn't sound like a Texans' DB. At least pre Wade.
If he can make the plays on the back end, like he did at LSU, I'd be happy
Add another guy to the list: Dexter McCoil, Tulsa.
About 6'4 plus, 220 plus.
I'll be looking for him to run in the mid 4'5 at his pro day.
I'll post a picture of him later when I have a chance.
Long arm, good built.
17 or 18 career INTs.
There are some obvious draw backs with a guy that tall as his steps can be too long (easier to run past a play) or tackling too high (here his long arms help.)
I've watched 4 of his games, not bad at all; a sleeper here - dunno for how long.
Watch the game against BYU in 2011 (BYU is a good passing team), he had 3 INTs (one was called back due to an offside).
There are 3 other games on youtube:
Arkansas, a pretty good passing team;
UCF, in the CUSA championship;
Iowa St, in the Liberty Bowl.
He can be a little over-aggressive at times, but that's what a ball-hawk does sometimes.
He can play at different positions: 2 deep, one deep (showing good range here), in the box; covering a slot or a TE (I'm a little concern with him being able to flip his hips, but he doesn't look all that stiff). Wish I can see him at a work-out to check out these concerns; but overall, he looks like another dark horse to me.
About 6'4 plus, 220 plus.
I'll be looking for him to run in the mid 4'5 at his pro day.
I'll post a picture of him later when I have a chance.
Long arm, good built.
17 or 18 career INTs.
There are some obvious draw backs with a guy that tall as his steps can be too long (easier to run past a play) or tackling too high (here his long arms help.)
I've watched 4 of his games, not bad at all; a sleeper here - dunno for how long.
Watch the game against BYU in 2011 (BYU is a good passing team), he had 3 INTs (one was called back due to an offside).
There are 3 other games on youtube:
Arkansas, a pretty good passing team;
UCF, in the CUSA championship;
Iowa St, in the Liberty Bowl.
He can be a little over-aggressive at times, but that's what a ball-hawk does sometimes.
He can play at different positions: 2 deep, one deep (showing good range here), in the box; covering a slot or a TE (I'm a little concern with him being able to flip his hips, but he doesn't look all that stiff). Wish I can see him at a work-out to check out these concerns; but overall, he looks like another dark horse to me.
I think after Vaccaro and Elam that this is a hard group to breakdown. Most of these guys could go either way IMO. McDonald and Reid were inconsistent last year, Shamarko Thomas can tackle but his passes defended and interception numbers are just horrible. I have a little concern about if Swearinger can cover well enough to play in our system. Rambo likes the drugs. Jefferson is good but his own coaches have called him out so that is a red flag and so on... If I were to go with a S it would probably be Elam, Thomas from Fresno State, or Duke Williams. We would probably have to trade up to get Vaccaro and that is not going to happen. I think that it is more probable that we trade back into the early second round if anything. Also like Earl Wolff but I think he will need some time to develop his coverage skills.
TexansCountry
Practice Squad
i still want keenan allen in the first than safety in the second round
Yep, just hard to evaluate IMO. Will probably draft a guy and let him develop for a couple of years and then start. Hope he can replace Keo right away though.
With the loss of GQ this will probably be a higher priority, even if they sign Ed Reed. Reed will only be a stop gap for a couple of years while they develop someone from the Draft IMO. Where they pick and who they pick I don't know, but my guess is it will be in the 3rd to 5th rounds. Having a deep Safety class will help.
Priority goes up with the loss of GQ. They will probaby sign Reed with AJ offering to restructure again. Even if they dont sign Reed they will probably draft 1-2 S.
My late rd guy 5-7 is Cooper Taylor- Richmond, Runs in 4.5's was 2nd team all ACC at Ga Tech before transfering to Richmond.
Duke Williams - Nevada is my 3-5 rd guy. He's fast, a good cover guy who plays down hill and will come up and stick a RB in the run game.
My late rd guy 5-7 is Cooper Taylor- Richmond, Runs in 4.5's was 2nd team all ACC at Ga Tech before transfering to Richmond.
Duke Williams - Nevada is my 3-5 rd guy. He's fast, a good cover guy who plays down hill and will come up and stick a RB in the run game.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
They have to raise the bridge or lower the water . Beef up the pass rush and the safety problem isn't so critical .
I was up all night watching Shamarko Thomas of Syracuse and I must say I'm most impressed with him.
Look him up on YouTube. There are game tapes of him with views similar to the 2 All-22 views of the NFL (you can see one view from higher up and one view from the end zone).
I think he runs the forty in 4.4 or 4.42
That guy is a heat seeking missile.
He's a perfect replacement for Quin since he plays everywhere just the same.
Looks good running with the bigger TE and slot receiver.
There are also videos about him personally.
His parents passed away early so he has to be the mentor for his 5 younger siblings and he also started a group to help others in need.
Looks like a guy with his head firmly on his shoulder who is willing to work hard and to lead with action.
2nd to 3rd round grade.
40/1-2 vertical
11'01 broad jump
His 20SS and 3-cone times are also good.
Look him up on YouTube. There are game tapes of him with views similar to the 2 All-22 views of the NFL (you can see one view from higher up and one view from the end zone).
I think he runs the forty in 4.4 or 4.42
That guy is a heat seeking missile.
He's a perfect replacement for Quin since he plays everywhere just the same.
Looks good running with the bigger TE and slot receiver.
There are also videos about him personally.
His parents passed away early so he has to be the mentor for his 5 younger siblings and he also started a group to help others in need.
Looks like a guy with his head firmly on his shoulder who is willing to work hard and to lead with action.
2nd to 3rd round grade.
40/1-2 vertical
11'01 broad jump
His 20SS and 3-cone times are also good.
Huge fan.
So much S depth in this draft I'd be ecstatic with Elam in the first Thomas in the 2nd or Swearinger in the 3rd.
Because this is a great yr for S. Taylor and Duke Williams will go in the 4th rd. Any other yr they would be 2nd rd picks.
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
This year would be a great year to draft S. Like Rey mentioned, a promising rook can learn so much from Reed and Manning.
aussie_texan
Veteran
I've heard he might go at the end of the first round, though? And I doubt he gets to our second pick.
SteveSlaton20
Rookie
I know KV is likely to go around 10-20ish, but I think he'd be a perfect fit in this defense, even though I'm not a fan of him.
He can play deep, play man-to-man in the slot, can play zone, stuff the run, and he can blitz. Not sure how well he can play against the TEs, but he'd be a solid player in this defense. My problems with him is that he lacks leadership, likes to run his mouth, and sometimes had off the field issues[punched someone playing basketball, and from what I've heard, liked to partied too much on 6th street].
He can play deep, play man-to-man in the slot, can play zone, stuff the run, and he can blitz. Not sure how well he can play against the TEs, but he'd be a solid player in this defense. My problems with him is that he lacks leadership, likes to run his mouth, and sometimes had off the field issues[punched someone playing basketball, and from what I've heard, liked to partied too much on 6th street].
This is the type of safety I'd like to see the Texans pick up as their #3 .... a big guy who can play in the box and has the size / speed to match up with this new breed of TE.
I mentioned this a few times before , but more of a hybrid of a S and LBer. Size , speed and a nasty disposition .....
When the ILB opposite Cushing is removed , this is the guy I plug in ..... I wouldnt have minded Pollard being brought back in this role.
I have no idea where to rank him among safety's or even what round he may be picked in .... Most sites Ive seen show him as an UDFA but I see so much potential its hard to see him go undrafted.
Yeah, there are a few big guys that are intriguing. Too much potential to be an UDFA. It's not like he's a one trick pony.
I was watching Amerson before, but is now switching to the SS Earl Wolff sincee I hear the Dop talking him up.
Dopler, did you watch the game against UNC?
First game I picked out and Wolff looks very shaky.
At least 3 very bad moments in coverage and missing tackles twice.
I hope it's his only bad game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcRwa6A7c7I
Dopler, did you watch the game against UNC?
First game I picked out and Wolff looks very shaky.
At least 3 very bad moments in coverage and missing tackles twice.
I hope it's his only bad game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcRwa6A7c7I
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I really like rambo in the 3rd. He's a true fs with range and is a playmaker. One way or another, the texans need 2 safeties. manning and reed are 1-2 yr guys right now. So it would be wise to get that guy on the roster now imo.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I agree but there are plenty of other safeties as well. Best class I can remember in fact, since covering the Texans. Jonathan Cyprien is my fav he went out the window when they signed Reed. Next is Matt Elam he too went bye bye. Then was thinking Phillip Thomas in 2nd but too many other pressing needs. Shamarko Thomas is a beast, like him better than Rambo but close. Robert Lester & Eric Reid are a couple big FS who fit right in with Manning & Reed. Then you start dropping to 4th-5th territory with Duke Williams, Shawn Williams & Eric Wolfe all better than what we have behind Reed/Manning. So I think the sweet spot is anywhere from compensatory 3rd to 5th rounds.
While I agree they need to find a couple safety's for the future , I have to wonder if they can afford the luxury of taking two in this draft with so many other holes to fill and so little money to spend. Especially if they are seriously planning on a deep playoff run.
drs23
Veteran
DAYUM! He IS gonna be busy. Stock rising ya think?
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
J.J. Wilcox is a mid-round guy that I like.
I wonder if Wilcox or Taylor will be there in the 4/5th rd?